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Hi from South Texas
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Just lost my sweetbaby of 11/2 years to arthritis which eventually resulted in her inability to stand or walk.
Looking to fill a very large hole in my life.

I have a few questions that I hope I can get answered here

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Welcome to DT PHY from Indiana .

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Sorry to hear about your baby

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Welcome to DT from Utah. I am so sorry for you loss. Many of us on here have felt that loss and know how you must feel.
You have some quality Doberman breeders to choose from in your State. There will be many on this site than can offer advise
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Welcome from Florida.
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We understand what you are going through, we are here to help you.

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Hi from South Texas
Longtime Doberman owner, since 1985.
Just lost my sweetbaby of 11/2 years to arthritis which eventually resulted in her inability to stand or walk.
Looking to fill a very large hole in my life.

I have a few questions that I hope I can get answered here

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Hi Phy, Welcome to DT from SATX!

Would be interested to hear the story of your Dobergirl and her illness first symptoms and progression, to compare notes. (till 11-1/2 y/o?)

Our Eva now has arthritis at 10 y/o and just started on Rimadyl.
Here is thread about her issues, which started with toeing in:
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I'm so sorry about the loss of your girl. It's so tough to lose them, especially when they've been in our lives for a long time.
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wondering if the health problems often attributed to blues are as bad as reported.
I know someone with a blue bitch mated to a black/tan male puppies due soon and I can get one if I want.
I just want this empty feeling to go away.
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If health is a big concern I would strongly advise looking for a reputable preservation type breeder who does extensive health testing on the sire and dam prior to breeding.
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Hi Phy, Welcome to DT from SATX!
Would be interested to hear the story of your Dobergirl and her illness first symptoms and progression, to compare notes. (till 11-1/2 y/o?)
Our Eva now has arthritis at 10 y/o and just started on Rimadyl.
Here is thread about her issues, which started with toeing in:
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It started while evacuated for hurricaine Harvey. She had trouble climbing stairs to RV. Then noticed her limping vet said arthritis' She did well on cosequin for about a year then started limping again, I increased cosequin dose and limp went away. I tried Adequin injections no luck. Over next 1 1/2 years I increased cosequin each time limp returned Then became concerned about how much she was taking. Started on Rimidyl 100 mg/day and cosequin 900 mg/day worked well for 6 mos. She developed a lump on her side which was growing Vet said lipoma because it was growing should be removed. Surgery a success she did great for 3 weeks then one day stopped eating could not walk or even stand tried everything. The only thing that gave relief was hydrocodone 5mg 3 times per day that is Class II drug, an opiate, and continued supply very questionable. I was left with no choice.
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If health is a big concern I would strongly advise looking for a reputable preservation type breeder who does extensive health testing on the sire and dam prior to breeding.
Health is not major concern just don't want to walk into a buzz saw
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Another welcome from Colorado! I am also sorry for your lost but you have come to the right place. In my experience, everyone has been super helpful!

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wondering if the health problems often attributed to blues are as bad as reported.
I know someone with a blue bitch mated to a black/tan male puppies due soon and I can get one if I want.
I just want this empty feeling to go away.
I don't know what health issues you've heard about, attributed to both blue and fawn (the dilutes). Could you elaborate a bit.

The big problem with dilute Dobes is CDA (color dilution alopecea) and it's primarily a matter of cosmetics. Loss of hair.

Sometimes this doesn't happen. I know several fawns and a few blues who didn't lose hair.

I regularly hear about dilutes with skin problems--for the record many Doberman puppies have staph infections growing up--no matter what color they are--vets tell people over and over that it's a matter of an immature immune system. Having lived through staph with many Doberman puppies I have to say my fawn dog who not only lived to 14 also had fewer skin issues than most of the black dogs or the one red dog I had.

As far as the other health issues--Dobermans are Dobermans regardless of color so the health issues affecting the breed will show up in dilute pups as well as any other color pups.

The blue bitch may or may not have blue puppies--it will depend on the color genetics of the pair. Unless they've both been tested for color heredity and the owner "knows" exactly what both the sire and the bitch are genetically there may be puppies of any color.

Here's why--the bitch could be Black carrying recessive red and definitely has two genes for dilution--that's why she's blue or she could carry two genes for Black and two genes for dilution--she'd be blue with that combo too.

The black sire could be carrying two genes for Black and one gene for dilution and one normal gene (no dilution). Or he could be carrying one gene for black and one gene for red plus one no dilution gene and one dilution gene or no dilution genes.

The end result to make this a lot shorter could be red, black, blue or fawn.

My fawn dogs parents were both back but the litter was rainbow--2 black dogs, 1 fawn dog, 1 blue bitch and 1 red bitch.

So if you want a Doberman and you aren't freaked out about the possibility of having a dog with a less than perfect coat as an adult--including possibly a bald dog with tan markings (markings aren't affected by CDA.)

I know all about how empty a house is without a Dobe--even one of my cats complained about it. I borrowed a puppy from a Dobe club member--he's still here. Puppies make sure the house never feels empty.

Good luck and I'm sorry for your loss but it's kind of like that saying about when one door closes another opens...

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Health is not major concern just don't want to walk into a buzz saw
I'm confused by this, I guess? This isn't a terribly healthy breed, so health really should be a concern...


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The big problem with dilute Dobes is CDA (color dilution alopecea) and it's primarily a matter of cosmetics. Loss of hair.

Sometimes this doesn't happen. I know several fawns and a few blues who didn't lose hair.

I regularly hear about dilutes with skin problems--for the record many Doberman puppies have staph infections growing up--no matter what color they are--vets tell people over and over that it's a matter of an immature immune system. Having lived through staph with many Doberman puppies I have to say my fawn dog who not only lived to 14 also had fewer skin issues than most of the black dogs or the one red dog I had.

As far as the other health issues--Dobermans are Dobermans regardless of color so the health issues affecting the breed will show up in dilute pups as well as any other color pups.

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CDA does not concern me nor do the other Dobie ailments.
Those can mostly be handled by diet, TLC, and meds if necessary.

I had recently read a couple of postings, in other places, where someone went off (rant and rave for extended time) on blues and fawns as significantly inferior health-wise, because of the dilution gene.

The puppies I spoke of have been whelped and it turns out to be a non issue, all were black and tan, now it is time to wait for 6 loooooong weeks.

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CDA does not concern me nor do the other Dobie ailments.
Those can mostly be handled by diet, TLC, and meds if necessary.

I had recently read a couple of postings, in other places, where someone went off (rant and rave for extended time) on blues and fawns as significantly inferior health-wise, because of the dilution gene.

The puppies I spoke of have been whelped and it turns out to be a non issue, all were black and tan, now it is time to wait for 6 loooooong weeks.

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I would urge you to consider a better breeder. It's hard to "handle" very serious illnesses like eyesight problems, hip dysplasia, dings, cancer, Liver disease, and DCM with medication. Several of these can be a death sentence and breeders are actively health testing and making conscious breeding decisions in order to avoid these.
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CDA does not concern me nor do the other Dobie ailments.
Those can mostly be handled by diet, TLC, and meds if necessary.

I had recently read a couple of postings, in other places, where someone went off (rant and rave for extended time) on blues and fawns as significantly inferior health-wise, because of the dilution gene.

The puppies I spoke of have been whelped and it turns out to be a non issue, all were black and tan, now it is time to wait for 6 loooooong weeks.

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Well, the bottom line is that with the entire breed there are endless tales about Dobermans and what that means--the old theory that Dobermans skulls will eventually be too small to contain their brains and the they'll go crazy and kill their owners is one that's been circulating forever. It's not true and Germany (the homeland of the Doberman) originally registered only black dogs--that lasted a year--then they added blue and red. Germany for the record has never allowed fawn as an accepted color. It took the USA until 1969 to accept fawn--so why allow blue and not fawn?--well the German powers that were claimed that fawn was a degenerate color--subsequently as knowledge of how various color genetics worked (surprise! the genetics for blue and fawn are nearly the same) and DPCA and AKC added fawn as an allowed color.

But since the puppies all turned out to be black it isn't something to even be concerned about. And the only thing the puppies have inherited from their blue mother is one dilution gene. What does that mean? Nothing much except that Dobes as a breed have a bunch of health issues that might turn up.

The bigger issue is, as Greenkouki said, that many breeder do not really know and often carelessly breed pairs that may have every health issue known to occur in the breed.

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CDA does not concern me nor do the other Dobie ailments.
Those can mostly be handled by diet, TLC, and meds if necessary.
Sadly, for too many people, the first sign that their dog even has a health problem like DCM is when they keel over dead at their owner's feet. Or they wake up in the middle of the night to find their dog in severe respiratory distress because of CHF as the result of DCM.

And the treatment for hip dysplasia can wind up being some pretty expensive surgery, with extensive rehab before and after.
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Well, the bottom line is that with the entire breed there are endless tales about Dobermans and what that means--the old theory that Dobermans skulls will eventually be too small to contain their brains and the they'll go crazy and kill their owners is one that's been circulating forever. It's not true and Germany (the homeland of the Doberman) originally registered only black dogs--that lasted a year--then they added blue and red. Germany for the record has never allowed fawn as an accepted color. It took the USA until 1969 to accept fawn--so why allow blue and not fawn?--well the German powers that were claimed that fawn was a degenerate color--subsequently as knowledge of how various color genetics worked (surprise! the genetics for blue and fawn are nearly the same) and DPCA and AKC added fawn as an allowed color.

But since the puppies all turned out to be black it isn't something to even be concerned about. And the only thing the puppies have inherited from their blue mother is one dilution gene. What does that mean? Nothing much except that Dobes as a breed have a bunch of health issues that might turn up.

The bigger issue is, as Greenkouki said, that many breeder do not really know and often carelessly breed pairs that may have every health issue known to occur in the breed.

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Sometimes when I re-read what I've written I think "Geeze no one will ever figure out what I was really trying to say."

When I said the those puppies only inherited on thing from their mother--a single dilution gene. Since no one (probably not even me can really read my mind. I was thinking in terms of color genetics--she could only contribute one of the two genes she carried that determine dilution in Dobes--and obviously the other half of the genetic contribution from the male was non-dilution gene--so no dilute puppies

The bitch, obviously, contributes far more genetically than one dilution gene. My apologies--it was very hot here in the lovely PNW (89 degrees in Portland, Oregon) and it fried my brain.

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