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My name is Cindy and I'm a new Doberman puppy owner.
He is 10 1/2 weeks old currently. His name is Bishop and he is a red Dobie. He just got his ears cropped at 9 weeks, they are fully healed up, and stiches out. our first day of Posting the ears was today and so far we are using the backer rod method with good results. let me know what you think since I will be posting pics of him from when we got him till today. I live with my husband and two daughters, a terrier pup and a black cat. I work as a manager at a local cannabis store, and since we are essential we have been open throughout this whole pandemic. I have been able to bring Bishop to work with me so that he can socialize, and I can still watch him as he was healing up from his crop.
he has been great at home with us, very outgoing! But he has shown signs of fear towards other dogs and is skittish around people initially. Is this normal?
He has a small spot in the back of our store where he can rest with his toys and hear and watch all the people and animals that come through. I feel that if I'm patient and consistent about slowly socializing him at this age he will hopefully grow up to be more confident in himself. He is so sweet, and lovable! please give me any input on socialization, and how the ear posting looks! thanks
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good looking boy and your posting looks spot on. During this fear stage and I believe there are other periods in a dog's life that the dog can go through another fear stage around is to keep things positive. I always showed the dog by walking up to the object that has spooked them touching the object and telling them it's OK my dogs took the lead from me and went to investigate the object and I had high value treats. Not their kibble something high value. You do not want to force keep things motivational and fun.
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Cute puppy. Who did his ears?
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HI! Welcome to DT from Colorado!
He is a cutie. Is that your terrier in your picture? What's his/her name?
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awesome! I will keep working with him patiently and with High value treats! I appreciate the advice! good stuff
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A wonderful Dr. Victoria Peterson located in Granite falls W.A and her assistant Kim Owens!
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Thank YOU for this , I will do it next time!
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also My terrier is named Bandit! he is a rescue we adopted about 4 years ago! such a funny personality!
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Hi Cindy and Bishop! Welcome from a few (hundred) miles South of you.

@ Cindy: How wonderful! @ Bishop: You are a cutie!

It's great that you are able to take Bishop to work.

RE: Cannabis shop = Essential business. Same here in Portland. Here they are even allowing home delivery. How Pacific NW... LOL

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Oh. BTW. IMO, that looks like a really nice crop.

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Welcome to DT from Utah. Very cute puppy and I too wondered who did the crop as it looks good.

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For a puppy that young being a little fearful of strange dogs is common (something their mom told them--if it's bigger than you--stay away!) and being 'skittish' around strange people wouldn't be unusual either. Puppies that are very well socialised at very young ages are less so than puppies who haven't seen or interacted with a lot of strangers. If you think about it--this puppy probably was raised as a stay away from crowds and stay home so it's take him a little time to catch up. It's one of the side effects of keeping distance during the COVID-19 problem--it's very hard to get baby puppies socialized when you don't want people visiting.

The crop looks very nice and the posting looks fine but you would not normally put a bridge in that high on the ears--perfect way for him to get it caught on things and scare the pants off of him. If you are going to put in a bridge it should go as close to the top of the head as possible. And it should be loose--if you it's too tight it can and will pull the ears in and that often makes them tip toward each other--this can cause pockets to form. The bridge should be loose enough that the ears should tip out at a 10- 2 (like on the face of a clock) angle--that way the puppy can move them around using the muscles that in part support and later allow for mobility of the ears. I rarely use bridges for more than the first few postings but some people bridge always--it seem to be more a matter of personal opinion about bridges than anything else.

Cute puppy--who did the crop--it looks nice.

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Welcome from Florida!
Real cute PIC’s !! Thank for sharing .....looking forward to more pics and stories.

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Hey Guys, Thank you so much for the warm welcome!!
I just got back home with Bishop and we had a great day at work. He seems to be warming up to the staff, and likes all the attention he gets from customers. So far he's curious, engaged, but doesn't really want to be touched much. He likes to sit quietly, watch people, and then eventually he likes to come up and smell someone at his own time. Thank you on the advice on the posting! I took the bridge off already and might just leave it that way. I do see how his ears naturally will train to stay up without a bridge, and that seems to be the case with him. the Dr. who did his crop was great!! Her name is Dr. Victoria Peterson and her LVT is named Kim Owen who is also a breeder. they where so nice and they had a ton of experience with the breed. They are located in Granite Falls W.A.
The little terrier in the pics with Bishop is our rescue pup Bandit, he is 4 years old now. He is such a funny terrier, and he is helping Bishop learn too.
I'll post more pics and update you guys regularly.
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Hi Cindy,

I've known Kim for years--one of my champion males was from her very first bred specifically for show litter. She is very knowlegable and Dr Peterson is lucky to have her as a tech.

I thought I recognised that crop--you're lucky--they are about the only cropping practice that I send people to for Doberman crops.

Very cute red boy you have there. Not all puppies are interested in rushing into introductions with strangers. The watch and look attitude is fine with me--if I wanted a Golden Retriever I wouldn't have had Dobes all these years.

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HI Dobebug,
I completely agree with the lucky part. I looked around our area for a good vet to crop Bishop, and I just kept asking for a good referral to an experienced person. A few different veterinary hospitals, and my own local vet referred us to Kim and Dr. Victoria. First off they are so welcoming, the property in which the clinic is located is quite gorgeous. They had about 7 different Dobermans on site when we where there, and it was like Dobe heaven! such a great experience. Me and my husband dropped the pup off, after we got to talk to them both for a little while. I brought up the crop that I liked, and Kim said to me " We consider this a specialty and we will not do an ugly crop. There is an art to it."
I thought that was pretty awesome to hear.
We went to the local shops, sat to eat lunch and before we knew it they called to say he was ready to be picked up. I honestly felt so relaxed, because when you are confident in the people who are experts it makes all the difference. We picked him up, and they where ready to explain the aftercare. They gave us so many little goodies to take back home and really set us up for success. I have read so many bad experiences on this forum and on others about Bad Crops and it is a relief to find specialist who still consider it an art form. Now it's on us as his owners to keep up the good work. I know with practice I will fine tune the posting, and I will be patient with the results. I want to get into the nitty gritty of this breed, definitely in it for the long haul. Bishop is so smart, it's pretty special. Eventually when this quarantine is over, and hopefully we are all healthy my plan is to sign up for obedience classes with him. I'd love to get into some fun agility work too. He hasn't been neutered yet, and I will wait to make up my mind on this issue. I don't have any intentions to let him breed, but what are ya'lls thoughts about neutering? When did you neuter, or did you leave your dog intact? My terrier is neutered, atomically happens when you adopt. I'm not against spay and neuter, but I would like to wait for the appropriate time.
Also I have been starting to walk Bishop with bandit everyday, and I have both a gentle leader and a slip leash. I'm trying the gentle leader today, I'll see how it goes.
Luckily we found a small Burnese mountain puppy on our walk, and he lives a few houses down from us! New friends are always welcomed.

cheers! Hope everyone, is happy and healthy!

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Caution about the gentle leader type leashes. They are not recommended for this breed as they can cause compression on neck. Compression neck issues can lead to CVI/Wobblers. As far as waiting for an obedience class there are many things that you can do now at home. Always place in a sit and tell the dog to stay/wait and wait for the dinner bowl to be placed down and release. their little bottom gets up so does the food bowel until they are keeping that sit in place. Wait at the door before letting them cross the threshold. Again if their butt gets up door shuts. They learn that really fast Another things to work on is Go to Place/Crate leave it and watch me. Always have those high value treats. String cheese is great to use. Your other dog will help a lot with the puppy in ways that you may have already seen. Keep training session short couple of minutes daily several times a day. This breed are like sponges and love to learn but more importantly they love to please their human have fun Almost forgot regarding neutering I wait for boys to be 2 years old and generally I wait till they are three. You need to wait at least till 18 months for the growth plates to close. Think of it this way Neutering early will make the dogs leggy with little or no muscle. With girls I have them go through 2 heats.

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dobegal! awesome this is great info! I did not know, that using the gentle leader could cause compression issues. Wow, the things that I will learn with this guy are going to be many. I'm here for it!
Ok great info on the neutering, I definitely do not want to stunt any natural hormones and growth. I think that's exactly on what I will focus on with training first, perfecting the basics of obedience. Sit, wait, recall might be some of the more important to me. Which would you feel are most important? thanks!
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these little Dobermans are eager to learn so sit and wait will happen IMO quickly with high value treats. I clicker train and found that easy for a dog to understand what you want and then they hear that click knowing a treat is coming. Saying the word Good is used for duration and then a have a release command. I use the word free. Keep training short 2-3 minutes at the most several times a day. Recall is essential it takes a little longer, if you have someone to help it makes it a lot more fun for you and the dogs. have a long line on him, if you have some clothes line rope that works. Having the long line is helpful in case your puppy decides to investigate that leaf that just blew. You can just go over take hold of the leash nicely say Nope and return the dog to your friend. Have your friend hold the puppy you walk a few feet away face the two of them. Say the dog's name and say come friend releases dog should run to you place in a front sit jackpot reward (give loads of treats) Then do the same thing except this time you hold the dog and your friend calls the puppy back. With time you can increase the distance.

I like to also use chicken hot dogs cut into tiny pieces. I freeze them this way I always have them ready to go. I also like to have this pupsicle ready to go especially when I need a time out from the puppy crazies. Get a puppy kong or the red one. Put a little bit of peanut butter on the small opening to stop things from falling out. Plain yogurt and dry kibble. Alternate putting the yogurt and a few pieces of kibble inside the Kong. Place in a mug to hold up upright and put in freezer. Gives them time of chewing to get the stuff out, great for puppy teeth. I keep an extra one in the freezer also ready to go. have fun this puppy stage is not for the weak of heart however with consistency and persistence you will have raised a great dog.

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OMy gosh!! freezing treats is genius!! lol you'd think I would know this stuff, I have two human girls that loved this when they where baby teething too!
Ok, love that they learn so quick with new ideas! you're giving me creative ways to train, thanks! I think being engaged in training is as important for me as it is for the dog, right?
so changing it up will be fun for both of us!
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For ordinary purposes, I almost prefer a good relaxed "down and stay" command to a sit. If I'm out and about and I want to sit on a park bench for a bit, stand in the cash register line at the pet store, or stop and have a conversation with someone, if I can put my dog into a relaxed down until I'm ready to move on, it just works better for me.

A sit is nice on an active walk, before I cross the street, or by my side when I'm waiting for someone to pass me, etc. but if the dog just stands in place by my side, that works too. I don't think dobes sit that comfortably for a long period of time (just their build and thin hair on their legs, I think) and to me, at least, always seem just poised, quivering and ready to go...which doesn't lend itself to just hanging out somewhere.

For formal obedience work, of course, a nice clean quick sit is the thing. And an obedience down stay is different from an at home relaxed down too. For both of those, you need the dog in an alert position focused on you so he can quickly transition into whatever your next command is.

But of course, a dog is capable of learning what is expected of him at different times and places.

It depends on what you're looking to do, I guess.
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With puppies who are a little more hesitant, I would do a lot of feeding him yummy treats (from YOU) when he's at a distance from things that make him unsure, a distance where he's comfortable. Let him take things at his own pace. Don't ask him to take the treats from strangers, because it forces him to get closer than he'd like. You're simply "pairing" yummy things with experiences that are just a little bit strange, but in a way that he still feels safe. So you aren't pushing him TOO close, or too much. Over time he'll learn that those things are GOOD! Strangers, other dogs, etc mean that good things happen, but he isn't pushed out of his comfort zone. If you let him show you when he's ready and you help him learn that good things happen around things that make him a little unsure, he should come around.

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SO I did about 5 mins of treat obedience training with bishop before our walk. I made him sit and lay down. He waited in front of the door with Bandit until I told them they could come out front. We took it slow today, and I used the treats to reward him periodically when he would listen. I will use a few mins before a meal to train on those basic commands, and reward with a meal. I get what you mean Melbrod about different behaviours you'd like to achieve with your dog in different inviroments. For now, I will do my best to help build trust, through patience, dicipline and affection. Rewarding him is beautiful, because he is a dog that already loves to please. Such a great, proud spirit inside a small pup. MeadoCat I find that part of building trust with him, will be letting him come to different situations naturally like you said. Rewarding him will be done by me only, that's a great idea! good stuff!
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