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Hi there! I am a graduating dentist in search of the healthiest dobe possible. Many breeder websites have blown me away and I would be honored to be part of many of their doberman families, and this one if you would have me! Just to preface: I have no preference in terms of color/ sex/ crop/ no-crop/etc, my only preference is a more american doberman (i could change my mind on this) and the date I receive my puppy which would be around April 2021 .. I just want a healthy loving buddy forever... I am a pack animal, my family comes first and my friends are my family in the best and worst ways... I must admit however this will be my first dog... (my mom had allergies growing up)... supposedly ..

I am graduating first week of April 2021 and will have 10 weeks without work before I have a normal work schedule (8am-6pm including travel). Lunch is usually guaranteed (usually 4/5 lunches m-f). I have found many dog walkers/sitters on a few sites that I would need to rely on for those days that I wouldn't be able to make it home (emergency patients)- I plan on securing a variety of these arrangements before 2020 ends). My housing situation is still to be decided as I cannot secure a place this far out - but i am planning on renting which I know will complicate things.... I have begun a preliminary search and will start making calls this week to get an idea of where I need to target my focus - I most likely will be working in Ormond beach, FL and will live in/around the area (Daytona Beach) - my dog will decide this of course.

My plan is to use all of those two months (April and May) for training and training and training and fun of course... as in I plan on doing 5 am/ 6 pm scheduled play time (walks, until they are ready (18 mo.) for an athletic run/jog/bike ride ..etc whatever they respond to best) everyday, since that time will be part of our schedule for years to come. I am a creature of habit and know that I function very well in a routine. In fact as a middle schooler I had to wake up at 4:30 AM to catch a bus ride at 6:30 to get to a "better school" (Indian parents lol) and it engrained in me to get up at the first alarm (first lick??)! I am truly dedicated when I want something, I have been a relatively driven person my whole life and I am excited to have a forever buddy around that I can always depend on...

However; I don't want to rush into this and have promised myself that I will do this right. Do you all think this would be easier later in my career (maybe a year in as I would definitely be financially stable, my housing could change to better fit the pup, but increasingly limited on time)? An opinion from others who work consistent hours (doctors?) would really help me process this mentally.. Is Doberman ownership just not in my future.. do i have to wait till retirement?? Sighh

My question to you all is if I do everything I can to give this dog the life they deserve with routine/ structure and ample training - basic and obedience, is it possible for a single, busy, often tired individual to make it past the puppy stage without breaking. I know ill have 10 weeks to train after hopefully getting my healthy pup around at 8-10 weeks of age and will 100% continue training while working my normal schedule/ paying for appropriate training/ walking/ sitting. I have concerns that are more-so related to myself and my limited time for this pup... as a dentist I don't really see another chance in my career that I would have the ability to take off 10 weeks for anything other than paternity leave (whether I owned my own practice or worked for someone else)... however the obvious challenge is that I will be a brand new dentist dealing with the notable struggles that can occur for anyone beginning their nearly attained lifetime goal/ career. I don't doubt my dedication, rather I have concerns about my limitations whether they be mental/ physical/ financial right at the beginning of my career... but then the flip side is... will I ever have a better chance/ time off period to build that necessary trust to base a great leader-follower relationship for the future years.... such a tough thing to mentally fight through cause I am a realist and can see that the odds are stacked against me... Essentially.. give me your worst gang I know some will say I probably deserve it for even considering this path.... but I'm nothing if not persistent

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I will follow whatever recommendations medical professionals make in regards to anything doberman related, I will always stand by that. As an almost-dentist I sincerely respect those healthcare professionals who put their knowledge to use even when it can be controversial. I admire many stances on Doberman breeding and agree 1000%, this breed is in severe danger and it's the fault of irresponsible breeders. I am not in interested in profiting from this dog by breeding, showing or competing. I do understand the high activity level that is necessary and am dedicated to fulfill the working desire of my future family member. I am truly in awe to have already found so many breeder focused on health as they are, but it is a bit overwhelming at times. This is my only concern and desire for my future doberman, a long fun and healthy life. Thank you so much for your time and consideration, I look forward to speaking with you all.

Sorry for such a long post I wanted to make sure I conveyed a decent picture of my vision.
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Welcome to our forum from Florida.
My dog Hoss is 4 years old and is my second Doberman.
He came to me as a young puppy 12 weeks old and let me tell you it like having a newborn baby in the house.
For the first nine months I was exhausted.
As a puppy training starts at the moment you pick up your puppy and you will lose a lot of sleep at first.
Potty breaks every 4 hours .....possible howling or whining as they miss their litter mates.
But the Dobie pups will become quite Velcro.
Most dobermans want to be with their people and they like routines.
You know certain things that happen at certain times everyday.
So your vision is great ...and let me tell you they are a pleasure to walk around the neighborhood.Always so many compliments as they are so stealthy once matured.
As far as training ..it takes a couple years for them to fully mature and get all the training to finally come together.
Here in Florida we have some excellent Doberman rescues ...there is a real good one in Crystal River Florida called Doberman Ranch Rescue.
Yeah there are some rescues that can be a handful...but.....a lot of dogs get turned into rescue due to their humans passing away, careers, etc.
It would be great if you could locate a dog that is not a puppy ......maybe couple of years old that has some basic training in place.
Shoot ......there are several people within this forum that home rescues and you should see these dogs.....absolutely stunning.
I work for surgeons so I know how busy your are going to be starting off in your career.....check out Crystal River ........sometimes they have fund raising events .....great place for your first Dobie.
Either way .......happy for you ....and welcome to our forum.

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I will tell you that renting with a Doberman is difficult almost anywhere you go. They are on the banned breeds for a lot of insurance companies and landlords will not allow them. As much as you think you want a Doberman, you may want to wait till you are more settled and have a home with a yard. JMHO
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I will tell you that renting with a Doberman is difficult almost anywhere you go. They are on the banned breeds for a lot of insurance companies and landlords will not allow them. As much as you think you want a Doberman, you may want to wait till you are more settled and have a home with a yard. JMHO
Boy, let me second that--it has become so hard to find any rentals if you have dogs over 20 pounds much less Dobermans that one of the folks I worked with at the vet clinic, literally bought a house so I could rent it. She and her husband owned a couple of rentals and had been looking for another but since they had a renter, that they knew looking for a rental they looked harder and I've been renting from them for 15 years now.

Before you even start looking for a dog--start looking for a rental that will take big dogs, Dobermans specifically and the area you hope to live that is reasonably close to where you will be working. It'll give you a good idea of how hard it may be to find a place if you have a dog.

Again--you may want to wait until things are more settled for you before you take that last step to owning a Doberman.

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Welcome soon to be Doc , from East Central Indiana

I read your post - really a good over site of yourself and what the future may look like , then I got to this part , an I quote : I do understand the high activity level that is necessary and am dedicated to fulfill the working desire of my future family member.

So 806 , Didn't you sort of answer your own question here ?

What I'm referring too is with your anticipated work load --- then how will you be able to fulfill the high activity ? the Training ? Like I read one time - Dobermans not only need lots of attention - they demand it - and that is a very true statement .

I will say - I'm not the one to be replying to this post - I have been blessed with a life style or you can call it my occupation - We farm here - not near the pay grade of yours - but it has its perks - being I work from home , my office is here - everything , then there is the field work , which I come home at noon to eat , My wife use to work here too till I retired her back in 2001 , lol Yes , she is still here , but changes on the operation put her out to pasture , so to speak

What I'm getting to , is we are always around here for our Dobers , we are the lucky ones , and see first hand there demands or maybe I should just say there needs . They have a nice fenced in area - which this may be a problem for you trying to get a well breed Dober , Most require it .

I'm not being mean here - but I for the life of me - just don't think you have the time for a Doberman - your heart is in the right place - if it wasn't - then you would not have posted up your question and our thoughts on this .

Best of luck in your practice !

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It is certainly possible to have a dobe and work a full time job away from home--and I've managed that in an apartment too in the past.

But I spent probably 1-2 hours each day after work completely devoted to the dog--exercising (off leash), training, attending obedience classes, in addition just hanging around time. On weekends we went on longer hikes, cross country skiing in the winter each day.

And we were fine.

That 10 weeks off sure does seem tempting in terms of getting a puppy then--but you're the only one who knows what your energy levels are on a day to day basis. I dunno--to me, given that you're starting an entirely brand new career and you don't really have the total picture of how draining that might be, and maybe don't even have a firm idea of what your schedule might end up being, and also knowing that renting is in the picture, with all of the difficulties finding a place for a dobe...I think if I were in your shoes, I might hold off.

Another thing you could consider is finding an adult dog--puppy chores and training take more time than dealing with an adult, and an adult would also have the advantage of perhaps being ready to take on more formal exercise like jogging etc (once the dog is in shape, and depending on the dog's age and health, of course) which could help you provide for his pure exercise needs a little more efficiently if you're going to be doing athletic stuff for yourself anyway.

Another little piece you didn't mention, but....
Your own personal social needs. I mean--if you're dating, or have a serious other that you want to go out with regularly, or just hang around with friends--that kind of thing--that takes time too. Given you'll be working full time, you may not want to spend ALL of your free time on your pup. So you'd have to factor that in too.
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I dunno--to me, given that you're starting an entirely brand new career and you don't really have the total picture of how draining that might be


Good point Mel ! Bet its really draining when they pull the wrong tooth !
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Welcome from FL and congrats on dentistry!

Dobermans are an expensive addiction but worth it with mindful planning. Everyone here will be far more helpful re: advice but it pays to have a blast in the planning phase, start saving, and immersing oneself in your dobe/dog community.
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You might think about a rescue from a REPUTABLE Dobe rescue, esp as it will be your first. Many dogs are there through no fault of their own and a good rescue takes the time to fully evaluate their dogs and make a really good match. My previous boy was a rescue at 2 yrs old, we developed an incredible bond, he was just about perfect and passed just shy of 13 yrs. My current girl I got at 8 weeks, because I'm now retired and have had the time and patience to raise her well. No way I could have done that working full time and living single!
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Welcome to the forum!

I think you might be able to pull it off. However, I think it's going to be stressful, at best.

As others have mentioned, renting with Dobes can be difficult. Best case scenario, it requires more planning and effort to rent with Dobes. So, its great that you're thinking so far in advance. I would recommend you focus on rental properties owned by private landlords, not companies. Private landlords can make and adjust their own rules on a case-by-case basis.

Starting a new job is going to be stressful and tiring, for sure. Its exciting to plan for the future, especially when you've worked so hard on something but don't underestimate how stressful big life changes are (even the good ones can be stressful!). Wrapping up a professional degree program and starting work is a big life change. Friendly advice from a stranger - give yourself space and time to decompress and adjust to all the changes you'll be managing at that point in your life.

Bringing home a Doberman puppy is also tiring. Especially when you've never raised one before. I feel comfortable saying that a Dobe pup is also going to be pretty stressful for you since you've never had a dog.

And with that, I'll just ask a few questions. Why the Doberman? You don't have any dog experience, so what is it about this breed that has you convinced you want one and a Dobe should be your first dog ever? Have you spent time around Dobes? Or are you captivated by pictures, videos, and stories?

I don't ask these questions because I'm trying to grill you. But because those are some of the things you really need to think about.

Dobermans are fantastic dogs but they're not necessarily an easy breed to raise, and some can be a lot of dog to live with, especially for an inexperienced owner. I think its difficult for someone who doesn't have any dog experience to really grasp what they're taking on with a Doberman.

So, I would encourage you to think carefully. Go to shows and meet Dobe owners and handlers. Get to know the dogs. Ask lots of questions and really think about what you learn.
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Thank you all for your honest words, it was evident as I submitted the post that I knew the truth. It was just a hard pill to swallow when you've got puppy fever. Mel, I fell in love with a Dobe of a friends due to a variety of reasons... the 1st being his obvious inseparable bond to his brand new owner, his incredible intelligence growth over the span of 2 years and above all there was something I'm not sure how to explain that just drew me to him in comparison to many of the dogs of my close friends.. sorry should have mentioned my connection to dobermans. I truly appreciate everyones input and I am definitely going back to the drawing board so to speak... I will not try and manage a breed like dobermans with what little time i'll have... maybe a smaller dog for a few years... then once I've got the yard and the time I'll definitely be back to post some pictures. Thanks gang
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I applaud you for researching and really considering whether this is something you can do.

If you can find a rental that DOES allow Dobermans, you might consider getting involved with a reputable Doberman rescue group (and I do stress reputable - there are good and bad rescues, just like good and bad breeders). Perhaps you could consider fostering some dogs, while you can't make a long term commitment? An older, senior dog might be a possible foster. A dog that is needing less exercise and is able to handle your lifestyle could be a great choice, one that simply needs a good interim placement while they search for their forever home.

Just a thought. It takes the right person willing to be a temporary home, and see the dog onto their long term home. It would also give you sort of a "test drive" of the breed, although you wouldn't really get a taste of the younger temperament.
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It's good that you're taking some time and seeking out information about dobes BEFORE you make one part of your life. Many people don't, and then get in over their heads.

But hey! You can still hang around--there are a good chunk of people here who don't have dobes at the moment (I'm one of them); some of us don't even have dogs. But we can still learn and share stories and drool *sniff* over other people's pictures. So keep coming by--it might give you more ideas about what you need to prepare for when you finally are ready to get a dog, and then as you upgrade to a dobe.

Upgrade being a relative term. There are days when everything seems to be heading the wrong direction, but they pass--as will your dog-less time. In the meantime, good luck setting up your new career! Hope you stick around.

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I really like MC's post about , maybe a foster or even a recuse - You will learn the breed but be able to skip them early teenage time . A win , win for both of you !

Mel is right ! Hope you stick around and join in with us - Heck - with the way things are today - we may need a online Dentist to walk us threw pulling a tooth

Have a great day !

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Another suggestion to start figuring out if this is really the "breed for you" is to contact your closest chapter club (breed club) and get involved. You don't have to have a dog to do that. You can volunteer at events and get to know the dogs, get some "hands-on" experience. Then when the time comes to actually get a puppy you'll have some folks to steer you towards a good breeder and be a reference for you. I know my club can ALWAYS use volunteers, for our specialty show, for our WAE, for different stuff we do, plus, we have educational events that would definitely be worth attending for someone new to the breed.

Go to www.dpca.org and click on chapter clubs.
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Thank you all for your honest words, it was evident as I submitted the post that I knew the truth. It was just a hard pill to swallow when you've got puppy fever. Mel, I fell in love with a Dobe of a friends due to a variety of reasons... the 1st being his obvious inseparable bond to his brand new owner, his incredible intelligence growth over the span of 2 years and above all there was something I'm not sure how to explain that just drew me to him in comparison to many of the dogs of my close friends.. sorry should have mentioned my connection to dobermans. I truly appreciate everyones input and I am definitely going back to the drawing board so to speak... I will not try and manage a breed like dobermans with what little time i'll have... maybe a smaller dog for a few years... then once I've got the yard and the time I'll definitely be back to post some pictures. Thanks gang
(Puppy fever is real. I can relate!)

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