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Now that he's getting posted properly it looks like you should be able to get the ears to stand. I don't think from the pictures that it's a particularly wonderful crop but it could be a lot worse. You'll be able to tell after a few more postings.

And it looks like a medium crop to me--keep posting them--4-5 days up and then take them down and clean and let them dry and put them back up as soon as they are dry (shouldn't be down more than an hour or so at this stage.)

Keep sending up pictures of the ears after every posting.

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Now that he's getting posted properly it looks like you should be able to get the ears to stand. I don't think from the pictures that it's a particularly wonderful crop but it could be a lot worse. You'll be able to tell after a few more postings.

And it looks like a medium crop to me--keep posting them--4-5 days up and then take them down and clean and let them dry and put them back up as soon as they are dry (shouldn't be down more than an hour or so at this stage.)

Keep sending up pictures of the ears after every posting.

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So we have had some issue this last week with the posts staying in! We haven't done a bridge so that the muscles in his ears can get stronger, and his right ear seems lazier. I have been adding bumpers to the posts and that seems to make they stay better, but there were a few days that I was reposting his right ear specifically every few hours. It was so frustrating. I am going to go reread the posting forums, and rewatch a couple videos. His left ear stays just fine, but he likes to wrestle the right one out.
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I grabbed this from a previous post by Dobebug since she doesn't seem to be on at the moment:

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Shoot--I just sent a post a few days ago for someone with the same problem--dog shaking and scratching and posts popping out.

So here it is again.

You are back-taping the posts so the post is covered with Zonas (or Sport Tape) both by Johnson and Johnson--with the sticky side out? Make sure the post material (backer rod or pipe insulation) is small enough to go all the way to the bottom of the ear canal. Use a little bit of cotton to pad the very end of the post (and use scissors to taper it to a blunt point) and when you put it in the ear twist it a little while you are pushing down on the post and pulling up on the ear.

Have several strips of tape pre cut that will wrap around the base of the. ear. Once you have pushed the post all the way down into the ear canal (you can't push it too far--the ear canal take a right angle turn before it gets to the ear drum), press the taped post to the ear. While still holding it in place start your first wrap of tape as far down on the post as you can--you will then angle it up toward the skull wrapping it around and pressing down the little flap of skin where the ear attaches to the head. Wrap the tape around the ear and use one finger to press the back of the ear TOWARD the front of the ear--you can see that this reduces the gap between the front and back of the ear and generally prevents a dog from shaking or scratching and allowing the post to pop out of the ear canal. Bring the tape around and down to meet the spot where you started taping.

That's the first wrap. Put two or three more wraps on this way--each on will be a little higher than the first. When you have the base securely taped this way you can then just loosely wrap the rest of the ear in tape. Make sure your posts are long enough to extend beyond the tip of the ear so that the tip is securely taped. Then use your hand to 'scrunch' the tape so that it firmly holds the post in place. Brace or not--I don't brace puppies after the first few times they are posted. Some people always use a brace--your choice but if you brace remember it should be as close to the top of the head a possible.

And finally while you are posting ears you really want them to tip out at 10 x 2 (like clock hands) This will prevent pockets for the most part.

If you have any question about what I'm describing--either I or one of the many people
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So- this is his wrap today:


I actually took out the right this morning because it seemed to really be bothering him, and I wanted to be sure there weren't any rub spots or sores inside. I actually think the problem may be that I am not taping it low enough, now that I read through the post by dobebug. He will finally just sit and let me post them, so that makes it easy. I took it out, checked his ear (it looks healthy, no red spots or anything that would make me worried- smells fine as well), wiped it with alcohol, let it dry while I retaped the post itself, and then re-wrapped the post, replaced the pad on the bottom, and put it back on. I have been taping just the bottom (though not as low as I should be, perhaps) and the top, however, I did tape the middle of the left and it didn't seem to bother him as much. Should I be taping his whole ear? He isn't bothered by it when I take it off, we have Zonas tape, and used sports tape while I was waiting for more Zonas from Amazon. The tape didn't seem to make a difference.

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1. Am I not taping low enough?
2. Should I taper the posts (I am not, they are just blunt cut)?
3. Are they sitting out too far? They look 10 and 2-ish to me?
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What I can say is when you are posting, really, really pull the ear up when you are putting the post in, and you can almost "screw" the post into the ear to get it down far enough. The posts are soft, and you can't accidentally get it too far into the ear, because the ear canal of a dog turns, so you won't accidentally hurt or damage them. The further down the post is in the ear, the more firmly it will be "seated" into the ear. And the more stretched up the ear is on the post, the better off you are. If you do those two things when you get the post in, and your post is "back taped", you will have the post most comfortable in the pup's ear, and they are least likely to be bothered by it.
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What I can say is when you are posting, really, really pull the ear up when you are putting the post in, and you can almost "screw" the post into the ear to get it down far enough. The posts are soft, and you can't accidentally get it too far into the ear, because the ear canal of a dog turns, so you won't accidentally hurt or damage them. The further down the post is in the ear, the more firmly it will be "seated" into the ear. And the more stretched up the ear is on the post, the better off you are. If you do those two things when you get the post in, and your post is "back taped", you will have the post most comfortable in the pup's ear, and they are least likely to be bothered by it.
Should I taper the post? I haven't been, but it would be nice to make it 4-5 days between reposting!
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Should I taper the post? I haven't been, but it would be nice to make it 4-5 days between reposting!
You can certainly try it. I never had to, but some people do. I think I used 3/8 backer rod for quite a while Richter.
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Looks decent to me. And the angle his ears are at is fine. When he alerts and his ears are erect (which is what they do automatically) he'll have to use his muscles more to keep them that way. But they won't tip inward, which is what you want to avoid.

I would taper the post. The further down in you can get it, the more snug it will be, and the less he will shake his head or mess with it--which means the post will stay in.

I would also slant the bottom strip of tape down a little--I start with the end of the tape on the post as low as I can get it comfortably and then slant it up to the top of his head, around and back with a slant to stick in on the post. Sorta like this:



When you stick the ear to the post, make sure the top forward edge (words are so imprecise) makes a straight line up the post and isn't twisted around it.

If the post pops out of his ear, it gets wet or dirty (more than usual) or it starts to smell, you want to take the post down and evaluate. If you see any raw skin, swelling or ooziness you will need to leave them down until that goes away. And don't use alcohol to clean them if there is any sore or raw area--it'll sting like crazy and he'll hate you forever Well, he won't like it anyway.
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Ivey Fam Dobes,

You should thank Melbrod for that annotated picture of the bottom taping of a properly posted bottom.

The ears look like they are properly angled. I would taper the post but I actually don't use backer rod which is round and sized--but if you use a small size through all of the taping--and 3/8 is fine. People get to trying to put backer rod that is too big and if you don't taper it it doesn't sit all the way down in the ear canal--when it moves around the puppy feels it and feels weird so they try to get it out.

(For the record--I actually use pipe insulation for posts--it's the closed cell foam that goes around water pipes to protect them from very cold weather--they come sized for the outside diameter of the pipe they are supposed to go over. I cut lengths--appropriate for the ears of the puppy I'm posting--and then cut lengths from the round piece to make a post--those I taper, squeeze the edges together and tape tightly--and go back and tape them one more time with the sticky side out--put a small cotton pad at the tapered bottom bottom. Makes a similar post to a backer rod post but it's stiffer and you don't have to stiffen it with duct tape.)

But you do need to get the post further into the ear and you do need to start the taping further down so it angles up, around and back down. Ends up looking kind of like a herringbone pattern and it'll go a long way to helping keep the post in place.

Sometimes I feel like a broken record--I usually don't put brace after the first couple of postings. Some people do and always brace the ears--if you choose to do that just remember to keep the brace as low as possible. And don't make it tight--should be loose enough to allow the ears (if the puppy isn't perking them up) to tip out like they do in your picture.

Happy posting.

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Looks decent to me. And the angle his ears are at is fine. When he alerts and his ears are erect (which is what they do automatically) he'll have to use his muscles more to keep them that way. But they won't tip inward, which is what you want to avoid.

I would taper the post. The further down in you can get it, the more snug it will be, and the less he will shake his head or mess with it--which means the post will stay in.

I would also slant the bottom strip of tape down a little--I start with the end of the tape on the post as low as I can get it comfortably and then slant it up to the top of his head, around and back with a slant to stick in on the post. Sorta like this:



When you stick the ear to the post, make sure the top forward edge (words are so imprecise) goes makes a straight line up the post and isn't twisted around the post.

If the post pops out of his ear, it gets wet or dirty (more than usual) or it starts to smell, you want to take the post down and evaluate. If you see any raw skin, swelling or ooziness you will need to leave them down until that goes away. And don't use alcohol to clean them if there is any sore or raw area--it'll sting like crazy and he'll hate you forever Well, he won't like it anyway.
That's an incredible picture!!! You should save it if you haven't already for newbies like me!! Thanks! I am for sure putting the tape too high. And yes, I always check his ears for sores or rub spots before I use the alcohol on a pad to wipe them out (ouch!!). He really loves when I clean out his ears.

I will repost them when these ones are done, or should I just pull them now and redo them so I can tape lower?
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Ivey Fam Dobes,

You should thank Melbrod for that annotated picture of the bottom taping of a properly posted bottom.

The ears look like they are properly angled. I would taper the post but I actually don't use backer rod which is round and sized--but if you use a small size through all of the taping--and 3/8 is fine. People get to trying to put backer rod that is too big and if you don't taper it it doesn't sit all the way down in the ear canal--when it moves around the puppy feels it and feels weird so they try to get it out.

(For the record--I actually use pipe insulation for posts--it's the closed cell foam that goes around water pipes to protect them from very cold weather--they come sized for the outside diameter of the pipe they are supposed to go over. I cut lengths--appropriate for the ears of the puppy I'm posting--and then cut lengths from the round piece to make a post--those I taper, squeeze the edges together and tape tightly--and go back and tape them one more time with the sticky side out--put a small cotton pad at the tapered bottom bottom. Makes a similar post to a backer rod post but it's stiffer and you don't have to stiffen it with duct tape.)

But you do need to get the post further into the ear and you do need to start the taping further down so it angles up, around and back down. Ends up looking kind of like a herringbone pattern and it'll go a long way to helping keep the post in place.

Sometimes I feel like a broken record--I usually don't put brace after the first couple of postings. Some people do and always brace the ears--if you choose to do that just remember to keep the brace as low as possible. And don't make it tight--should be loose enough to allow the ears (if the puppy isn't perking them up) to tip out like they do in your picture.

Happy posting.

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Thanks!! We are actually going to buy more of the backer rod- we are using the 3/8ths size- is that the same size you get in the pipe insulation? I can let my husband know when he runs to Home Depot to get that instead, it would be nice to not have to use so much duct tape!
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