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post #26 of 32 (permalink) Old 03-27-2020, 12:35 PM
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Typically, midway between heat cycles is considered the best time to spay. Since she's only had the one cycle, about three months after it's over would be halfway between in an average bitch.

Having an injury isn't a DQ. The only DQs in Dobermans are over or undershot bites, missing four or more teeth, and being a color other than black, red, blue, or fawn. Anything else, like uncropped ears or being oversized are considered faults. This is the AKC standard. https://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/st...anPinscher.pdf


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Thanks! I will have him checked out for conformation with the DPCA. That's a great suggestion to get involved with the chapter and find a reputable mentor to really learn the breed. I never had dobermans before I got Walker and Angel, and I've had just about every breed of dog throughout my lifetime (58 yrs), and I have to say I LOVE this breed!
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Ok everyone, I watch Dr. Becker's youtube videos alot and she is a holistic vet and that's how I learned about the raw meat diet for my dogs that I started them on as soon as I brought them home as pups. She highly recommends that you don't spay or neuter your pets because it will cause serious health problems down the road. I think I'll keep my dobermans intake and just be a responsible owner and keep them apart when Angel is in heat. I want my dobermans to live a long and healthy life and if that's what it takes I'm willing to do it! Please watch her video it's very informative! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enPCZA1WFKY
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There are also risks, sometimes acutely life-threatening, with leaving them intact.

Pyometra is a true emergency, and treatment usually involves surgery on an extremely sick bitch. The more heat cycles a bitch goes through, the higher her chances of pyometra get.

The less life threatening risks in leaving a bitch intact include false pregnancies, which may cause some significant physical and mental changes because of their hormoe levels. Some bitches don't seem to be bothered, while others collect "puppies", and act like their collection of toys, shoes, etc, are actual puppies, and will be very possessive of them, and get distressed when they are taken away. Some, like my pittie, actually lactate.

I've seen some of Dr. Becker's videos, and tend to take what she says with a very large grain of salt. For me, although I'm now more inclined to leave my bitches intact for at least one heat cycle, the advantages of spaying outweigh the disadvantages.

Editing to add that if you can find a vet who can do an ovary sparing spay that removes the entire uterus and cervix while leaving one (sometimes both) ovary, that could be a good compromise between leaving her completely intact and a doing a complete spay. The caveat with that is that she will still cycle, and while not as attractive to males, could still get bred, which could result in some serious injuries due to the nature of the surgery.
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I'm not a fan of Dr. Becker, either.

People can certainly make their own decisions on spaying/neutering. I don't think things are as clear cut as many would like to believe. There are risks and benefits on both sides. Personally, on the side of bitches, I think it's much less clear cut on leaving them intact. The rates of pyometra are fairly high, and my personal preference is to not have to spay a bitch when she's at an age where the risk is higher. There is also, of course, the risk of mammary tumors. I chose to spay Sypha at age 4. That was long enough to wait to have all the benefits of staying intact without waiting so long that the risks of spaying went up too much for my comfort.

I'm not a "spay and neuter everything young" person. But I'm also not a "keep everything intact" person, either...I think both camps need to be much clearer about the true risks on both sides.

We just had a good discussion about this in another thread...Dobebug and I were talking about the risks of leaving males intact, and prostate problems in older males. Many people don't like to talk about that, either.
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I would never leave a bitch intact that was not showing or one that was going to potentially be bred. The latest I spayed a bitch that was not bred was 2 1/2 - she was shown and there was a question mark as to if she was going to be bred.... she wasn't. For a pet bitch that is not shown in the breed ring, I let them go through one heat and then spay 3 months later. At most I'd let them go through 2 heats if the first heat was pretty early. I do want them to at least be a year old when they are spayed. I've seen what a pyometria can do and it is a big risk the longer they are intact.

For males, it is easier to keep them intact. You do have to watch for prostate infections, and if they start to get them it is best to neuter. My 12 year old Grand Champion male was neutered when he was 7 after he started getting prostate infections. The first sign is blood in the urine.

It is a balancing act with spay/neuter. Those people advocating leaving all animals intact are in my opinion not responsible. There are just as many health risks with leaving animals intact. Finding the right time to spay/neuter is important.

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You do have to watch for prostate infections, and if they start to get them it is best to neuter. My 12 year old Grand Champion male was neutered when he was 7 after he started getting prostate infections. The first sign is blood in the urine.
Or just blood spots/drops on the floor.

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