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Originally Posted by Fitzmar Dobermans View Post
Sorry MeadowCat - did not see your post to stop responding to this guy. Classic bait stuff that we have all seen way too many times over the years.
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Originally Posted by Rachel Anderson View Post
We have been looking and talking about getting a dog. Narrowed it down to the American female Doberman, watched lots of videos and love them. But..... I’m scared, after reading a few posts they seem rather expensive and prone to very expensive illness.

Maybe I read a couple of the downers posts but really has me spooked .

Can someone please give me the low down.

I have heard that rescues are ok are they?

Thank you from Ohio
Dobermans are a wonderful breed, but they are not for everyone. They are an expensive breed if done right..... and way too often even when not done right. In my area (mid atlantic) the cost of a well bred Doberman from a good show breeder is around $3000 - this does include cropped ears from a really talented cropper. The upside, is that a good breeder will be there for you for the life of your dog - and maybe even beyond.
No matter what we as breeders do, this is not a healthy breed. Heart disease is in every line. We can test and research pedigrees, but it is no guarantee. At least we are trying to breed healthy dogs. Plan on either getting a good insurance policy, or plan on having enough money set by for medical emergencies.
Rescue is a good way to go - especially for a first timer. Just understand that most rescues need work to become that good dog that you want.
I would recommend that you look up some shows in your area and attend - talk to Doberman people. is a good place to find shows - about a week before the show, the judging program comes out with the ring number and time for each breed. You want to show up at least 1/2 hour before the ring time. Some people are not super friendly, but there is usually someone who is willing to talk to you and explain what is going on.
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Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
(Moderator hat on) Consider this an official warning - you need to take a moment to re-read the forum rules and our philosophy here. This forum specifically supports ethical breeding practices, which includes the type of breeder practices Fitzmar talks about, and specifically *excludes* the types of breeding practices you are continually supporting. If you are not open to considering learning why and having an open mind, this may not be the forum for you. (Moderator hat off)

You have a very misguided view of ethical rescues, too. Sure, there are unethical rescues, just like there are unethical breeders.
Ethical is a subjective term. You are not an authority on ethics, neither is this breeder.

I never said anything about ethics or what breeding practices I support. If your understanding of ethics depends on whether a breeder comes to inspect your home or whether they demand references, then one of us is definitely misguided, it's just not me.

The way you moderate this forum is as "fair and balanced" as CNN's coverage of Trump. If this is how you treat fellow Doberman owners with different opinions - with extreme intolerance and self-importance - then this forum is nothing more than a clique, not a community. You go ahead and enjoy patting each other on the head about how "ethical" you are. I'm done defending every post I write here, especially since every condescending and snarky remark directed at me remained ignored by the "ethical" moderators who care so much about forum rules.
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Ah Yukie. I never felt that way about your posts. I have enjoyed your input and having someone new come on. I think somehow I got lost in the shuffle and missed something. Also, feel these posters and moderator have been in it way longer than me (which is 10 yrs) and I have only noted their commitment to the breed and patience with newcomers that wish the same.

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Bye Yulie. LOL

See you in a while!

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Edit to say: OK MC... I'll take my punishment now. Headin' to the woodshed (dog house) as I type.

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I have 2 dobermans male & female, and I will tell you this, they are the best dogs I've every had and I've had many different breeds of dogs throughout my lifetime (58 years). They are supper smart and very loyal dogs. I heard a saying that is so true....dobermans are like potato chips, you can't just have one!
I've had my dobermans on a raw meat (BARF) diet since I got them as pups which can be pretty expensive, but I believe it's well worth it, especially since I plan on breeding them. They are both very healthy, shiny coats, pearly white teeth and they don't smell like dog! Dobermans need lots of exercise because they're working dogs and they LOVE TO RUN! We a have a wide open 2 acre field that we let them run in and man can they's the Greyhound in them! We use a bright green laser light pointer that they chase at's a great way to wear out your doberman! I did alot of research and watched alot of YouTube videos on Dobermans before I decided to get one and I suggest you do the same. If you decide to get one I've got to warn will fall in LOVE with Dobermans!
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