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Health problem or NOT..

I just re-homed a 2 yr old 60 lb. red male, nurtured, unregistered and HOUSE BROKEN..?? He drinks an excessive amount of water, if given. Had him Vet checked, all came out NEGATIVE. PROBLEM: he urinates way too much. I have limited his water intake to 1/2 to 1 cup at feeding (he eats twice daily) a good brand of puppy food + Bil Jac, 2 cups kibble 1 cup BJ. During the day I give him again 1/2 to 1 cup. He sleeps through out the night in a crate...until yesterday. He started howling and barking so I let him out to pee. Came back in when right into his crate and slept the rest of the noght. Does anyone have any explanation for this and what can be done ??
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I would have him tested for diabetes insipidus, aka water diabetes. https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions...etes_insipidus
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I had those tests done all came back NEGITAVE
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I am no expert but 8 oz of water to digest 2 cups of dry kibble does not sound like much water. Try eating a bag of potatoes chips or popcorn or any dry type of human food of the equivalent amount with a cup of water.

I am no fan of limiting water but will limit or steer a dobe away from the water bowl if i feel they are drinking a lot at one time to avoid a bloat.
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Is your boy on any medications? Certain meds frequently cause excessive drinking and urination. Prednisone is one example.

BTW... Does he have a name?

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How much is urinating too much? Do you mean in frequency, or volume or both? How much is he drinking per day?

PetMD says:
"As a rule of thumb, dogs should drink approximately one ounce of water per pound of body weight each day."

So that would be 60 ounces--7 1/2 cups. It doesn't sound like you're giving him anywhere near that amount.

What did your vet say you should do?
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I do have to ask where you live - Reason if it's in a Southern State where its warmer or hot - they will drink more water . I just figured out what Kadin is drinking as of this winter day - He's right 3/4 of a oz per pound - or 4 16.9 bottle waters - Now the other day - temps hit mid 60's for 2 days - he was out lots - then it went up to more like the 1 oz. per pound .

I don't leave water in there bowls and if I do , it's a small amount - they let me know when they want a drink .

Like Alan j. stated - when feeding - I don't put lots of water in the bowl - for the same reason Alan stated - most I give at one time after eating is around 6 ozs. then add more in a little bit .

One other thing - we work close to or at home year round - so its easy for me to control water and there needs - I would never fill the water bowl up here - they would drink till its gone sometimes .

Good luck with your new Dober
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I've never limited a dog's water...If they are hot right after exercise, I only let them drink a couple of laps before I send them somewhere else, but once they're cool, they can have what they want.
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I would have him tested for diabetes insipidus, aka water diabetes. https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions...etes_insipidus
I agree with Rosemary--I'd be asking the vet to look at the possiblity of diabetes insipidus--one of the first symptoms is excessive water consumption.

But it also sounds to me like he isn't really getting enough water if you go by the standard recommendations for how much a dog should get per day.

Unless things have changed a lot since the litter brother to my dog was diagnosed with d.i.--the only way to test for it is to rule out everything else. And one of the tests is a water deprivation test--and you isolate the dog and measure all the water he gets and all the pee he eliminates. Obviously there's somewhat more to it than that but that's sort of the abreviated version

Good luck tracking it down but I'd talk to the vet in detail about exactly how much water is too much water. And although withholding water isn't usually recommended sometimes withholding water for a couple of hours before the last outing to pee takes care of the getting you up during the night to pee.

Good luck in any case.

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Thanks so much...he has every condition of central diabetes insipidus.. To the Vet Monday morning, to see what meds he will have to be on....
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his name is ACE.....as far as I know was not and is not on ANY meds...
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Thanks for your input.. I did do several water tests with him...No matter how much or how little water I gave him, the more he would pee..
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1 test I did do was, I give him 2 1 qt bowls of water, 1 after the other. He went out immediately and urinated almost the same amount of water...
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we live in Mid Ohio...after he eats I let him out immediately and he urinates like a race horse and than, starts to chew on the ice and snow on the ground ... I have only had Ace for 6 full days now. The previous owners told me he does drink a lot of water but, never mentioned about how much he urinates.. In the past I have always let my dogs have water 24/7, unless I was house training a puppy. All my other dogs seem t regulate themselves on how much water they needed and when they wanted to drink....NEVER had a problem like this in any of my dogs..
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Exactly right.. when I looked up diabetes insipidus--one of the first symptoms is excessive water consumption. And ACE did show that.. Like I responded to someone else.. I did do several water tests and they all came out about the same. I collected almost as much urine, as I gave water. First thing Monday morning we have a consultation with our Vet...
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Health problem or not

Thanks for everyone's input... Well taken advise..
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Based on our experience with our girl, excessive thirst and urination can also associated with cancer.
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