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My name is Samantha and my husband Justin and I will be welcoming an 8 week old male doberman puppy into our Toronto home in February. Though not new to owning dogs and other pets, this will be my first doberman, a breed I have always loved for their smarts and loyalty and athleticism. I have so many questions and can't wait to share my experiences. I have read and watched so much about raising said puppy but some topics still leave going in circles. Particular with what to feed my dog as a puppy and as an adult. We have an australian cattle dog/blue heeler who we currently feed raw (BackCountry Raw in Ontario. And treats like bully sticks. I would love to know what people think is best to feed a doberman specifically (raw, kibble, mix etc. I look forward to people's ideas and advice and participating in this community.

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HI! Welcome to DT from Colorado!

I'll let other folks do the food talking; that's not my area of knowledge.

But I do want to mention that I've got a heeler mix that we adopted about a year and a half ago, after years of having dobes. I must say he's a different kind of personality...more of a dog and less of a people somehow...which actually can be refreshing sometimes. I don't know if that holds across the board though, or if it is just his own individual thing.
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Welcome Sam from Indiana ! I also will let others talk about the dog foods .

Mel - All of our Aussies were the same as HHD
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Welcome Sam from Indiana ! I also will let others talk about the dog foods .

Mel - All of our Aussies were the same as HHD
I agree with you, Kenny and Mel about the difference between Dobes personality's and herding types. My Aussie was definitely more dog dog and less inclined to think he was some sort of a person than any of my Dobes.

And I'll touch on the food question--although it tends to be a hot button issue. I feed kibble. I don't feed raw for a variety of reason the biggest being that it's pretty inconvenient and I'm kind of iffy about whether I actually know enough about nutrition to make sure the dog is getting a proper balance of everything.

That much said--I have always (since my first Doberman in 1959) fed kibble manufactured by one of the big food companies--initionally on the advice of my first vet and later because I knew it worked.

What I do recommend is that whatever the breeder of your puppy is feeding I'd plan on feeding that (even if you think it's terrible) for at least a month--you can add thinks to it if you think it isn't decent quality (my puppies and for that matter my adult dogs get a spoonful of yogurt or cottage cheese with their breakfast and an egg--I hard boil them, other people feed those raw, and a spoonful of canned with their dinners) I add stuff to puppy food to make sure they eat well and so that they don't get picky;

After a month if you are going to change foods do it slowly--plan on taking at lease a couple of weeks to make the kibble change and sometimes it needs to be done over an even longer period of time.

I don't feed puppy kibble to puppies I feed adult food--for a big dog it seems to work out better and I have had, over the years, fewer problems with the kind of thing you can end up with Dobe puppies. And I have used Purina Pro Plan kibble as my go to kibble for years. Presently I feed ProPlan Focus Sensitive Skin and Stomach (formerly known as Salmon and Rice--it's been through a couple of name changes but is still the basically the same kibble it's always been.

But not all dogs do well on the same thing--if they need something different that's what get--one of my Dobes lived on a prescription food food for 8 of his 10 years because it's what he needed and I have a cat who has a true food allergy--he's 17 years old and has lived well on one of two hydrolized kibbles (prescription) for 15 years.

But basically I feed something that my dogs like, eat eagerly, and leaves them with energy to burn, bright eyed and with a coat that gleams and small compact poop and maintains proper weight without having to feed huge amount.

That's my standard food lecture for the day...

Just remember when you get your puppy you have to post lots of pictures and he grows.

And welcome to the forums.

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Welcome from florida.......yep love prurina pro plan focus chicken.
Both my vets support my use, lots of history and ongoing science to back their product.
Tried fancier foods at first..........but pro plan serves us better. Hoss more eager to eat this one.
Whale eyes when I am serving it up.........other foods he ate but not eagerly.

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Hi Samantha... Welcome to you, Justin and your impending new puppy.

So treats and food:
My 5 yo, McCoy, has a cast iron stomach. He eats and tolerates anything. That is EXCEPT
bully sticks. One beef pizzle and instant loose poops or diarrhea.

I also refrain from giving him rawhide chews. The small ones he would swallow whole. He would gnaw on the very large ones for a while and then swallow the remaining large piece in one gulp.

Currently McCoy is fed Purina Pro Plan Salmon and Rice. I also add, a various times:

Yogurt, pure pumpkin, cottage cheese, eggs, fresh or frozen fruit, different vegetables, Honest Kitchen dehydrated chicken meals, fresh or cooked meat or fish and other things. He also gets fish oil and vitamin E soft gels once a day.

I am not implying cause and effect here... Still, McCoy is never sick. His coat is always shiny and his skin is great. He just had a full Cardio work up and annual physical and both his cardiologist and veterinarian gave him a totally clean bill of health.

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Welcome to DT from Utah. I will look forward to lots of pictures and stories of you new pup. Nothing, nothing like a Doberman in your life.

I feed raw to my dogs, however find a quality kibble good to fall back on for trips, or boarding with someone.
After seeing the difference changing to raw made in friends dogs plagued by allergies and other maladies I became a believer.
We have a new 4 1/2 month old that has been eating nothing but raw since arriving here at 12 weeks. This makes house training them so easy.
Their need for less water vs need for more water cause of the dry, the utilization of all the food which means less waste and pick up and need to go
so often is what I think makes housebreaking so easy. Just my 2 cents worth and what works for me.
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Wanted to add along with 4X4, that bully sticks aren't allowed here after a very bad experience with them.
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I don't give bully sticks because they stink when the dog chews on them and them wet.
I don't give any kind of rawhide chews--they've given all of my Dobes nice cases of diarrhea. The Aussie seems immune.
And I don't give hooves because in the course of chewing the dog can get the edges of the hoof down to a razor sharp edge and the vet clinic where I work did an emergency surgery on a Lab puppy who had gulped down one of these remodeled hooves and it sliced his esophagus--tough and expensive surgery and I've heard of several other similar situation with hooves.
I also don't give pig or cow ears--another one that has cause diarrhea in some of my dogs an they are also very fatty.

And as far as raw goes--my dogs would probably love it is I bought a freezer and started feeding raw--but mitigate my refusal to alter my life style completely for the cats and dog (well I have one cat who just plain doesn't much like raw and he's allergic to so many thing that at his age I don't want to start experimenting to see what he could eat--he eats a hydrolized diet and has for 15 years--but when we were trying to find something that didn't give him diarrhea or cause him to vomit up almost everything he ate (between 18 months and 2 years) he lost weight from 10 pounds to 6 pounds--after he started eating hydrolised kibble he's weighed between 10 and 11 pounds which is about what he should weigh.

So my dogs get, as treats raw chicken gizzards and hearts and small raw fish (smelt, herring are the most common but sometimes they get octopus--not really a fish but they sure like them.

I have no real objection to raw but the inconvenience factor is kind of a cause for not feeding raw in my case.

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I know what you mean about inconvenience and that kept me from trying it for years. Plus, I didn't like the militant attitude of some that tried pressing their raw diet on me for my dogs.
So I was slow convincing me and seemed like a lot of work until I found this game processing plant that uses wild venison/elk and will grind up the bone and package in neat 1 lb frozen
packages like hamburger. Even then they had to convince me it wasn't roadkill and I had to go thru their plant. This has been 9 yrs ago now and if I didn't live close to this I probably
would never have embarked on a raw diet. I feel my cats the same and what a difference in cleaning the litterbox.
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I know what you mean about inconvenience and that kept me from trying it for years. Plus, I didn't like the militant attitude of some that tried pressing their raw diet on me for my dogs.
So I was slow convincing me and seemed like a lot of work until I found this game processing plant that uses wild venison/elk and will grind up the bone and package in neat 1 lb frozen
packages like hamburger. Even then they had to convince me it wasn't roadkill and I had to go thru their plant. This has been 9 yrs ago now and if I didn't live close to this I probably
would never have embarked on a raw diet. I feel my cats the same and what a difference in cleaning the litterbox.
If I had still been living in the Seattle area the outfit that used to slaughter my folk's yearly fattened cow/beef--whatever, was a specialty meat market in Bothell, Washington. All of their meat was slaughtered by them and hung in a huge big building used only for that purpose and when they came and slaughtered our beef to be, they hung that for us and returned it after hanging in neat packages marked for whatever they were.

But they also took scrap meat for all the slaughter ground it and wrapped in up in one or five pound packages at dirt cheap prices. My mother turned it into dog stew tossing in carrots or anything else in the refrigerator that looked like it'd be OK to feed dogs. But it would have been fine to feed raw. And they were convenient.

And boy, do I know what you mean about the militant raw feeders. I'm still not sure that raw is right for every dog or cat and hate being backed into corners by someone who is sure they can convince me otherwise.

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You know, I just had this little thought and perhaps it's silly, but I was struck by it and wondered.

When a human passes just little bits of poop at a lower volume than usual, we often say they are constipated. Gas and cramping can go with it, but maybe their only symptom is an uncomfortable full feeling. Their daily rhythm might be messed up, but not even that necessarily.

One thing I often see from folks who feed raw is that the volume a dog produces is a lot less and the stool is firmer. Do we know that the dog isn't always just mildly chronically constipated? Of course, raw is what dogs' ancestors ate before people came along and gave them nice prepared little bundles of it, so it seems like their systems could handle it, but domesticated dogs don't always react to things the way their wild ancestors did.

Just a passing thought, but I thought I'd throw it out here (since I know that I'm not dealing with rabid "one MUST feed raw for a healthy dog" folks.)
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If a dog being fed raw exhibited constipation or compacted stool I would suspect too much ground up bone. We requested 10 % bone added and it worked perfect.
Another plus of feeding the raw is no stinky dogs.

Much of the kibble on the market is being produced by Mars or Procter and Gamble companies. It has become a profitable business.

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Thank you everyone for your welcome and advice! After a discussion with our vet we have decided to bring the puppy up on puppy kibble. Most likely Diamond Naturals. And we are seriously considering having both dogs eventually on homemade cooked meals. We love the raw but are wanting our ACD to be a therapy dog and legally they can't if they eat raw.

Our pup comes in a month and I still have not chosen a name! I'm way overthinking it, much like the food.

I am so excited!
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