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Hello everyone, after not having a dog for the past 15 years I bit the bullet and got a Euro Doberman. She is a beautiful dog and her name is Nova. I am located on Long Island, NY and was told about a vet by the name of Fitzgerald who is really knowledgeable about these dogs. I contacted them and was told it would cost $750 for ear cropping. The breeder I bought it from does not do this work because some people do not want it done, so that's that. I was hoping it would have been in the $500 range as well but that's life I guess. She is 8 weeks old so I do have some time. She is an awesome dog and everything is going smooth so far. I am feeding her Purina Pro Plan food wet/dry and she has been eating it. If you guys can throw in some advise and tips I would deeply appreciate it. She is in a loving home and will have alot of fun down the road.
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Don't put off cropping for too long. 7-9 weeks is the best time, but no later than 12 weeks and even that is pushing it; the earlier you crop the better.

Check out this thread--it gives some hints about what to look for in your cropping vet.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/ear-cro...-s-don-ts.html
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Thank you, I know. I want to get it down asap but was expecting a $750 bill. I thought they were in the $400-$500 range. I left a message for another vet in NJ that was highly recommended. See what they say
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Oh, and welcome to DT from Colorado. Do you have any specific questions?

This thread has some good advice on it, if I remember correctly--you might want to scan it:
https://www.dobermantalk.com/new-mem...ml#post4103127
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Her ears need to be cropped as soon as possible. The two best vets nearby are Dr. Brittany Faison in Delaware and Dr. Sophia Koster in NJ.
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I think you are referring to Merry Fitzgerald on Long Island, and yes, she is very good - you are going to pay more for cropping a single puppy than you would pay for having a while litter done. You might want to check with Sophia Koster DVM in Central NJ if you want to price compare. However, you may want to find out if the $750 includes aftercare and posting - it it does, then that is not a bad price. Both vets are Doberman people and active in competition/reputable. Sophia cropped all 3 of my litters (my last litter was almost 8 years ago). 9 weeks is the optimum time to crop - you don't have much time left, so I would make those calls immediately!!

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Thanks everyone. The 750 includes aftercare and I made an appointment so it is all set. I am not understanding why she cries sometimes. I thought it was a signal to go to the bathroom so I would bring her outside but nothing would happen. I suppose she is missing her family?? Also she refuses to walk with the leash, I understand she is only 8 weeks old so I am slowly trying to get her used to it. I haven't had a puppy in a long time so this is all new to me.
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If you supervise her carefully, you can let her run around with a shortened leash (maybe 4 feet) to get more accustomed to it.

Her leash difficulties may create a little problem with my other hint, but you should be taking her out on a leash for her potty runs. Then you can praise her directly when she produces, and also show her that potty time is not play time.

Are you talking about her crying when she is in a crate, or if she is loose (in a room with you watching, I hope) in the house?
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I do go outside with a leash and I do praise when she does her business. I bought a 42in crate and also a separate bed near the couch. She goes in the crate herself and is very comfy with it. She will cry when she is just hanging out in the livingroom or when she is in the crate at 4am. I woke up several times last night due to her crying and brought her outside so she could pee.
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It's tough when they're little because they haven't figured out the difference between urgent body needs and urgent loneliness.

If she's crying in the crate, try to wait until she is quiet before letting her out. Then get her out of her crate matter of factly; take her out on a leash; give her a bit of time and praise her if she goes; then pop her back in the crate without making more of a fuss over her.

Some people put the crate in the bedroom with them. A few words of comfort (don't take her out of the crate) to a pup who is just crying for company can quiet them down; if she won't quit whining then she might need to go.

If you see ANYTHING that leads you to believe she might potty in the crate, then make it smaller--my favorite trick for that is to tape together a couple of plastic storage boxes and stack them in the end of the crate. If she can get too far away from where she curls up to go to sleep, she might just go there, but she'll do a lot to try to avoid peeing on her bed.
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If you see ANYTHING that leads you to believe she might potty in the crate, then make it smaller--my favorite trick for that is to tape together a couple of plastic storage boxes and stack them in the end of the crate. If she can get too far away from where she curls up to go to sleep, she might just go there, but she'll do a lot to try to avoid peeing on her bed.
I'll add to remove any bedding from the crate as well. My GSD had to be in an absolutely bare crate, with just barely enough room to stand up and turn around it. If she had any type of bedding in it, she would either chew on it, pee or it, or both. She didn't get a bed in her crate until last year. She will be 8 in January.


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Hi everyone, Happy New Year. Lastnight was the third night she had slept in the crate and I am happy to report it is the second night of peace
. She slept the while night without issues and when she heard me get up she started whimpering . I then brought her outside and she did her business. She has not done anything in the crate and I am very happy about that. I have a wee pad in the livingroom and she will sometimes miss it by an inch but we are working on that.
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Yay Nova, for being a good girl!
They say that what you are doing at midnight on New Year's Eve is what you will do the rest of the year. Here's to hope
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I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest that you ditch the pee pad. You can find you are setting house training back by using one and the puppy doesn't quite understand that she should NEVER pee or poop in the house when you are training her to do either or both with the pee pad.

Also it doesn't take long before a Dobe puppy will pee enough that even the biggest pee pads don't contain it. Keep taking her out--or if you have to leave her in for extended periods of time it's worth it to puppy proof a small room and confine her to that, rather than a crate and put the pee pads there and only there.

That crying also sometimes happens when a puppy is over tired and like a toddler has melt downs because they really need a nap. I borrowed a puppy from a friend when I lost my very old fawn boy. Joey, the loaner puppy was over 5 months when I got him and was basically house trained but it took me awhile to figure out that all the whining, crying and sniveling went away if I tossed a treat in his night time kennel and shut the door. He'd stop crying and go to sleep--generally for a couple of hours.

Sounds like she's getting the hang of being your dog though...

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Dobebug, you have a point and I appreciate the tips. I removed all pee pads from house but left the one in the cage for emergency when I am working . Any tips about leash? She will walk on her own when leashed but when I want to walk her in a different direction she will sit and refuse to walk with me.
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Agree with removing the pee pads. I would try having her follow treats when learning to leash walk. They all seem to refuse at first and do the wild bronco thing lol
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hello everyone, finally got my laptop back from warranty dept. Nova got her ears done 3 weeks ago and now are obv taped. She is doing great. No weepaads on the house anymore and she is doing very well in that dept. Question for you all, every Monday I am going to replace the posts in her ears. After I clean her ears how long can they be left alone and get some air? I bet the dog would appreciate it to. I am hoping a few hours? The vet wants $35 for a re-tape which will add up quickly so I am doing it myself.
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Posts should be changed every 3-5 days. If they get wet, the post pops out of the ears or they get smelly, you need to take them down right away. Repost if it all looks good; but if they are smelly it could mean an infection--if you see swelling, raw irritated areas, open sores or gunky stuff, they'll need to heal before you can post again. NO taping over open sores or raw areas, ever.

They should just stay down long enough for them to air out and dry--about 20 minutes. But it's a good idea to give her a little ear massage; she'll love it.

She is a cutie...how old is she in that picture??
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Thanks , She was 8 weeks in that pic. She now weighs 22 lbs and was born Nov 4. I also need to buy nail clippers and start doing it so she gets used to it. Can you recommend one for me? There are so many on the market. I need a user friendly one.
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I use a dremel (more or less like this one).

It seems to be much easier on the dog; apparently a guillotine clipper still hurts and squeezes a little even when you're using it properly.

Here's an older post about how to get them used to one:

Dogs are generally more comfortable having their nails dremeled than having them clipped. Dremels don't seem to pinch or squeeze the nails the way clippers do; you can get a nice smooth edge to the nail; it's much easier to avoid hitting the quick. But they do make noise and vibrate the nail as they grind it, so you have to go slow introducing one.

Here's a nail trimming demo we put together a long time ago.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...nstration.html

Here's another. I had asked for a picture of the underside of the dog's nail, because that's how I tell how much to take off. See post #21
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...ch-dremel.html (Unfortunately, this is an old post, so some of the links to pictures don't work anymore, but the picture on post 21 is still there, fortunately.)

This about how to get your dog used to a dremel:
"Just take it slow...depending on what she will allow...you may even need to start with rubbing it all over her with the motor off. Then with the motor on, but just somewhere in the room at a distance, then touching a nail for a second or too, then grinding one nail, then a whole foot and so on.

And of course, lots and lots of treats---sometimes even after every toenail when you get to the full foot thing.

Go ahead and start getting her used to the thing. Keep clipping if you need to until she is OK with the grinder. But, of course, do the grinder introduction randomly throughout the day and not in the same session as clipping time.

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1. Always support the nail with a finger or thumb as you grind . That lessens the vibration on that toe, and I imagine makes it less tickly for her.
2. Never grind on one nail for more than few second at a time. The area you are grinding can get quite hot. If you need to do more grinding than that, just go on to another nail and come back to the first."
I use a cordless Dremel multipro--the rechargeable battery doesn't have a super long running time--if you're doing multiple dogs in a row, that could be a problem for you--but a corded dremel is rather a pain to use (for me, anyway)

Dremel style tools marketed specifically as nail grinders for pets often don't have enough power to do tough dobe nails--it's really better just to use an ordinary hobby dremel with the coarse sandpaper roll.
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If you want clippers, then I recommend the Millers Forge red handled ones. They cut thick nails like butter. https://www.chewy.com/millers-forge-...fety/dp/136878 Yes, they are pretty small, but you want to "whittle" at the nails, rather than lop off great big chunks.

Also, if you are on Faceboook, then there are two really good group. One is just for dog nails maintenance, https://www.facebook.com/groups/nail...ance.for.dogs/ and one is for overall cooperative care. https://www.facebook.com/groups/258308611603015/

Plus, there is an online class starting on February 1st on cooperative care. https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co...p/courses/2392
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Here is a pic of Nova. About 1 month after ears were done. I am doing the tape myself every 5 days and I let her ears breath for about 30 min. She enjoys the ear cleaning and massage
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