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Hello everyone, I recently purchased a doberman, and I am just over the moon!!! I will be getting my boy in 5 weeks, and I would love any advice y'all would be willing to give. I think I will be going with the Don Sullivan training method. Does anyone have any experience with his training?
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Welcome. How old will the puppy be when you bring it home? Before you worry about "training" be sure you have a good plan for socialization. Some great places to take a puppy before it's had all it's vaccines are the hardware store, farmer's market, outdoor restaurants, the regular park (not a dog park). This is a great way to get your puppy used to all sorts of sights, smells, sounds, and people.

For training I would recommend starting with beginner puppy classes through your local dog training club. You usually start these around 4 or 5 months old. If you want recommendations a good place to ask for a referral is your local AKC affiliated kennel club.
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Thank you for the reply. He will be nine week old. I will wait to start his training, but I will not be bringing him to a puppy class, as in my opinion it is a waste of time. My last dog was not a dobie, but with the Don Sullivan method she became complete off leash trained. I hope this did not come out in a rude way. Im really excited for my boy to come home! Also the dog in your pfp is gorgeous.
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I had to Google the Don Sullivan training method.... In my opinion, you'd do much better finding a positive reinforcement trainer for learning basic manners rather than using a method that "guarantees" nearly instant results simply by putting a plastic prong collar on a puppy.

This is a good online resource for basic puppy training. FE110: Raising a Performance Puppy
https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co...php/courses/24 It's a good foundation for all puppies, not just sport prospects.

If you want something free, then the ebook Growing Up FDSA has articles about things like house training, basic obedience, and lots more. https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co...sa-free-ebook#

This is some good information about socialization. It's not what a lot of people think.
https://denisefenzi.com/2018/03/face...socialization/
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I have no experience with Don Sullivan, but is sounds like you do so thats great.
So what kind of advice are you looking for ?
Happy for you that you are getting a puppy real soon.........have you determined what you will name your new dog?
Hopefully you will send us some pics.....we love pictures........

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Welcome All - from Indiana ! Congrats on you new puppy , Little Dober pup's can be a challenge - In a good way - lol

Looking forward to lot's and lot's of updates

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I will wait to start his training, but I will not be bringing him to a puppy class, as in my opinion it is a waste of time.
I will say... puppy class can be just a fun, different environment for your dog to enjoy. Something to get them involved, and tire them out. Most puppies I have seen love their time in class. Its different, its attention getting, and its all about having fun.


Our class got about 5 minutes to let all the puppies off the leash after class and let them run and play. Poor Ace was twice the size of most the puppies, but had so much fun just running and checking everyone out!

We have continued classes when my schedule allows, because my dog just honestly enjoys every second of it. He enjoys working, seeing other dogs, being outside of the normal day to day trips.
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I will wait to start his training, but I will not be bringing him to a puppy class, as in my opinion it is a waste of time.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Puppy classes are excellent tools for socialization, and are widely recommended at least for distraction training.
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Thank you for the reply. He will be nine week old. I will wait to start his training, but I will not be bringing him to a puppy class, as in my opinion it is a waste of time. My last dog was not a dobie, but with the Don Sullivan method she became complete off leash trained. I hope this did not come out in a rude way. Im really excited for my boy to come home! Also the dog in your pfp is gorgeous.
The puppy classes are great! I would really reconsider. If you don't want to do the puppy class you can also look for beginner obedience classes through the training club or kennel club. Where are you located?

Thank you, the puppy in my profile is now a grown boy and an AKC champion
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Have you ever raised a Dobe puppy before? You may change your mind about Don Sullivan vs puppy classes by the time your pup is six months old.

Just an FYI--Dobes tend to be very bright and very quick on learning but because they are intelligent they also can think of a million ways to do what they want to do and not necessarily what you want or expect them to do.

They also do not respond particularly well to drilling when training--if you fail to get and keep their attention they will just blow you off.

I don't actually do regular puppy classes but I start training when the puppy comes home. Short sessions multiple times a day and by the time the pup is old enough to get into a regular obedience class or pre-obedience class they already know most basic commands. However since dogs don't generalize well the classes offer an opportunity to work on their responses in different places with different distractions.

GreenKouki gives good advice regarding socialization--early and continuing. And Rosemary has several suggestion for more formal training.

Good luck with your new puppy--you'll find lots of answers to the questions that will probably arise once you have the puppy home by just asking here as situations arise.

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Sorry this is off topic, but who did you purchase your pup from?
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I should've reworded, puppy classes can be really great experiences, but the ones near me are not somewhere where I would bring my dogs. I live in south GA, so not many puppy training places other than petsmart. Thank you all who have given advice, I will probably have lots of questions and be expecting lots of pictures!!!
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I should've reworded, puppy classes can be really great experiences, but the ones near me are not somewhere where I would bring my dogs. I live in south GA, so not many puppy training places other than petsmart. Thank you all who have given advice, I will probably have lots of questions and be expecting lots of pictures!!!
Take a look here, maybe you will find something:

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Sorry about that. I am new here and I am still trying to figure out how this forum works, but yes, I was trying to direct it to the Original Poster. Thank you for pointing that out (:
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Great advice from above posters ! The puppy classes really helped with Mr. Business - I see noting wrong with going to Pet Smart - some is better than None .

I have found that training classes train the handler to train there dog .

Best of luck and Like Aunt B . Is this your first Dober ?

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Have you ever raised a Dobe puppy before? You may change your mind about Don Sullivan vs puppy classes by the time your pup is six months old.

Just an FYI--Dobes tend to be very bright and very quick on learning but because they are intelligent they also can think of a million ways to do what they want to do and not necessarily what you want or expect them to do.

They also do not respond particularly well to drilling when training--if you fail to get and keep their attention they will just blow you off.

I don't actually do regular puppy classes but I start training when the puppy comes home. Short sessions multiple times a day and by the time the pup is old enough to get into a regular obedience class or pre-obedience class they already know most basic commands. However since dogs don't generalize well the classes offer an opportunity to work on their responses in different places with different distractions.

GreenKouki gives good advice regarding socialization--early and continuing. And Rosemary has several suggestion for more formal training.

Good luck with your new puppy--you'll find lots of answers to the questions that will probably arise once you have the puppy home by just asking here as situations arise.

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All of this!

Puppy classes are fantastic. I'd personally go to Petsmart over not going at all. Pups need to get out and see the world, and also need to learn how to be in a class environment around other dogs. Just my opinion of course, but...

I also really dislike the idea of a prong collar on a young pup. I'm NOT anti-prong collar at all, but don't see any reason to put one on a puppy that young.

I'd look here for trainers and I'm certainly willing to make a fairly long drive for a good class: https://www.ccpdt.org/dog-owners/cer...ner-directory/
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All of this!

Puppy classes are fantastic. I'd personally go to Petsmart over not going at all. Pups need to get out and see the world, and also need to learn how to be in a class environment around other dogs. Just my opinion of course, but...

I also really dislike the idea of a prong collar on a young pup. I'm NOT anti-prong collar at all, but don't see any reason to put one on a puppy that young.

I'd look here for trainers and I'm certainly willing to make a fairly long drive for a good class: https://www.ccpdt.org/dog-owners/cer...ner-directory/
Boy do I agree with this--Petsmart is better than no classes. It still gives the puppy a chance to work on stuff you've taught them at home in the presence of other dogs and people--a start toward taking them lots of other places to do short training exercises with them.

I thought from what you had said about the Don Sullivan training was that your dog went to the training location and stayed there until trained and then came home. I've seen dogs trained by this method (by a training facility where they stay for a given amount of time and come home miraculously trained--sometimes the owner gets a one or two times session with the dog and the dogs trainer so that the owner knows how to properly signal the dog to do what it's supposed to be doing.

I've seen some very successful training like this (sporting dogs or hounds mostly) but I've seem some Dobes whose training was so mangled by this kind of training procedure that the dog was actually totally traumatized and it took months to get over it.

In general and for Dobes in particular I think owner training in a class situation is far better--even when the class wasn't very good.

Frankly the first dog I trained through Open and part of the Utility exercises was an Afghan Hound and I trained that dog literally with a book in one hand and the dog on leash on the other. (Well that's an exaggeration--but before every practice exercise I reread the instructions on how to do it and how to catch errors and make corrections before mistakes became a way of life. And for the record--I found with Afghan that all of the techniques that I had always used in training Dobes worked for him--he too didn't do well being drilled---it just made him stubborn--but if I kept his interest and rewarded him lavishly (in Open his reward was jumping--he thought that was more fun that anything--Agility didn't exist back then but he'd have been a star if we have had that to do...).

Anyway--I've trained dogs in bad classes just for the exposure and I've trained dogs without any classes. But I never send my dogs away for someone else to train--I have seen an unfortunate number of dogs come out the worse for wear from that kind of training.

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