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Im new here and wanna introduce my self. I am a dog lover, however, not a current dog owner. No, Im not the "my baby" kind of dog owner, but I am the kind that doesn't chain up his dog when visitors are over. I have been more of a large dog person my entire life. I grew up with a neopolitan mastiff. I had a French mastiff when I was in high school. My neo passed away "suddenly" when I was about 12 yrs old. I thought the neighbors had poisoned him because they thought he was dangerous. Years later I took my dogue (the other name for french mastiff, dogue de bordeaux) to the vet for a weird sicness he had. Turns out it was heart worms and many dogs "randomly" die from them, which she explained that my neo probably died from that and not getting poisoned. Unfortunately my dogue passed at age 9 from chagas. I took a break from owning a dog of about 3 years now. I have become very interested in the Doberman breed. Ive been looking a lot into educating my self well before actually looking for a puppy. The doberman from what I understand is a companion dog which would suit me pretty well. Im trying to learn more about how I can feed them and exercise them appropriately. My neo lived on dry food, while I was told by my dogues breeder to feed them raw chicken quarters along with liver, gizzards, kidneys etc fromt he chicken. Needless to say he only ate the leg quarters. At this point Im just rambling so Im just gonna say that I look forward to posting some questions about the proper food and exercise later.
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Just want to clear up that dogs don't randomly die of heartworms - heartworm disease is easily preventable. Please make sure your next dog is getting heartworm preventative to prevent an unnecessary tragedy; it's inexpensive and low-risk. You can read up on heartworm disease here: https://www.heartwormsociety.org/
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Heartworms used to kill dogs--WAY back, 50 or more years ago--before they had effective preventatives. They used to treat infected dogs with a compound of arsenic, and if the disease was advanced enough, the dog often died.

These days they have better drugs to treat a dog who has heartworms, but it is a still very long and difficult process. The new medication is easier on the dog than the old ones, but it kills the adult worms in the dog's bloodstream, which then break apart into fragments and end up clogging tiny arteries in the dog's body. The fragments will eventually be resorbed, but until then, the dog must be kept quiet with absolutely no exercise for a matter of months. The dog may also need various medications to deal with the damage that the worms have done--antibiotics, painkillers, diuretics, special diets--and may even need heart failure medication for life if he has been ill enough.

Now they have a preventative in a chewy tablet which is given to the dog, generally once a month, which is very effective. Most dogs will eat it willingly, or at least without complaint. It is much better to prevent heartworm disease than it is to take a risk that he will contract it, become very ill, or maybe even die.


Typically, you do see signs of heartworm infection for a while before the dog becomes seriously ill. He may cough, not want to exercise or get tired easily. As the disease progresses, an infected dog will go into heart failure and retain fluid in his belly and lungs. Sometimes though, a large mass of worms will suddenly block blood flow in the heart and death will rapidly follow.
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I understand how heartworms work NOW, I was ankid back when my first dog passed. My second dog was on those monthly chews after we had our first heartworm scare. He got 2 shots, stayed at the vet for a day or 2 and then had to be locked in the restroom for 3 days only coming out to do his business.
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Just an fyi, you couldn't own two different breeds than mastiffs and Dobermans. You have no idea the kind of energy level and drive a Doberman has. They are also extremely intelligent so if they aren't being worked or trained they get destructive. They are also stage 5 clingers and never leave your side. You're in luck though there's A LOT of really great breeders in Texas.
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Just an fyi, you couldn't own two different breeds than mastiffs and Dobermans. You have no idea the kind of energy level and drive a Doberman has. They are also extremely intelligent so if they aren't being worked or trained they get destructive. They are also stage 5 clingers and never leave your side. You're in luck though there's A LOT of really great breeders in Texas.
Thank you, I want to get more info like this. Would you be able to tell me more about how you keep yours worked?
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My Dobes have always worked in performance (Companion Dog, Rally, Agility, Tracking etc) it not only makes them better companions but the mental processes needed to learn in these venues is enough to wear them out--along with exercise in the form of free exercise and walks from the time they are puppies.

For the record--there are lots of Doberman breeders. And there are a lot not very good Dobe breeders. I'd spend a lot of time choosing a breeder--there are a couple of stickies in how best to choose a good breeder but you are fortunate--Texas has a numbe of very good breeders. Check those out.

As far as feeding--I know raw feeders and I know owners and breeders who feed only kibble. Personally I rely on kibble (and I choose to feed Purina ProPan Focus Sensative Skin and Stomach (salmon based) or the chicken formula. But I also add to that (and to every kibble I've ever fed) things like cottage cheese, yogurt, eggs, and for big treats they get raw chicken gizzards or hearts or small frozen fish (smelt is almost always available.)

Good luck on your search and I've gotta' echo Gretchen Red's comment that you couldn't find breeds more different than Dobes and the various mastiff's. If you can survive the puppy energy in the first 18 months you'll come to believe that Dobes are the best dogs ever.

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Dobebug- Is there a progression or order in the working performance activities. For instance does one compete or learn one before going onto the next? And also, how and where do you look for more information of how to get started in the area that you live in? I'm thinking that there may be a good bit of travel involved depending on where you live?

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Dobebug- Is there a progression or order in the working performance activities. For instance does one compete or learn one before going onto the next? And also, how and where do you look for more information of how to get started in the area that you live in? I'm thinking that there may be a good bit of travel involved depending on where you live?

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I'm not Dobebug, but each activity would have a separate progression, and your dog could learn and compete in each one separately (and, at the same time, if you had the time, inclination (and money!) to train in more than one).

For example, one of my dogs is currently training in both Nosework and agility. She's already competing and has earned titles in Nosework, but isn't quite ready to compete in agility yet. We take classes in both every week. She also has one title in barn hunt. We've done some training in competitive obedience, but I'm not sure if we'll ever compete in it.

My other dog also does Nosework and competes in it. He did some agility, but had to retire because of a foot injury after only earning one title. He was also competing in lure coursing (has titles), but is now retired. We did some competitive obedience training but he really didn't enjoy it, so I didn't pursue that with him (he earned one "leg" towards a title).

A good way to learn about different sports is to connect with other people who are active in those sports and see where they train - if there's something that intrigues you there are SOOOO many options for things to do with your dog! One good place would be to connect with your nearest DPCA chapter club: The DPCA | Chapter Clubs
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I'm also not Dobebug.

As Meadowcat said, each sport has their own progression. You start at the most basic level, and move up as you earn titles. Some dog and handler teams concentrate on one thing at a time, such as working their way through the top levels of agility or obedience, and then switch sports for the dog's "retirement". Other teams do a variety of sports at the same time, like obedience, rally, and nosework.

As to where to look for more information, it kind of depends on what you are interested in doing. In the US, there are well over half a dozen organizations that offer titles in obedience. Rally is the same. Nosework has closer to a dozen organizations. Then there is agility, tracking, the various bitesports, and canine freestyle/heelwork to music. That's not even getting into sports that you can title in online via video.
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Not Dobebug here either but just adding some opinion to the mix. My dog competed early on (7 months for his first Rally title) in Rally, Obedience and Agility earning titles in all three with minimal training. UKC allowed dogs 6 months old to do Agility back then. We competed back then in UKC and AKC and later added NADAC. It can be done but at some point my dog made it clear he loved doing the Agility and detested the Rally and OB so we did only the Agility. Sometimes you just have to listen to what your partner wants and go with the flow.
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Dobebug- Is there a progression or order in the working performance activities. For instance does one compete or learn one before going onto the next? And also, how and where do you look for more information of how to get started in the area that you live in? I'm thinking that there may be a good bit of travel involved depending on where you live?

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Surprise! I am dobebug...

As you've already found out from other forum members--there is a progression in the performance venues and how you deal with the progression kind of depends on how much time you have to train and hwo available classes are in your area as well as the trials for the various activities.

I predate a lot of the performance activities. When I started out there was AKC Obedience (Novice, Open and Utility) and Tracking. There was Schutzhund (the name was changed to IPO and most recently to IGP--I may have that one wrong) but almost no clubs or trainers on the west coast--most of that activity took place on the east coast.

Today I start training dogs for Novice Obedience and Rally Novice early and at the same time. They have many of the same or similar exercises and most of my dogs have gotten Rally titles and Novice Obedience titles in the same time frame. Because some of the Agility classes aren't even open to dogs under 18 months (if you are doing AKC) and shouldn't be trained for until the growth plates have closed (for males growth plates usually close by 18 month). When I had the time I started puppies training in tracking very young--10 weeks for my very best tracker.

Now there are an infinite number of things you can do with your dog--as Rosemary pointed out.

One of the places that sometimes has information on offered classes are veterinarian offices. Many have boards with information on classes and trials. You can find on the AKC site information about shows, the dates, specialties and various performance trials. And even looking on Google will generally produce information on dog training classes for a variety of things.

How much travel is involved depends mostly on where you live--some places are more dog active than others. And depending on where you get your puppy (Texas has a number of good breeders many breeders also do performance as well as conformation and can suggest trainers and tell you about show and trials.

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