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Greetings from Redondo Beach!

Hi All,

Happy to meet everyone, I'm excited to get involved in the forums and contribute as best I can. I'm rather sorry to have to meet under somber circumstances.

We lost our beautiful 8 year old Kady girl on Sunday last week. She passed away suddenly and unexpectedly napping midday, next to me. She went very quickly and painlessly, (presumably from a congenital condition leading to sudden/unpredictable heart failure). She was very happy and healthy up until the very last second, for which I am extremely grateful. She has been my best friend for the last 8 years and we almost never spent a day apart, and she will be missed very much.

We've had dobermans in my family going back before I was born. In the last 10 years we've had 4 active dobies in my immediate family and they were all the best of friends, from a couple generations of the same line. They were all stunning, driven, and active dogs. There was my Kady girl, her brother, her uncle, and her auntie. Only her auntie remains at this point, with the exception of a new pup (7months) who's my uncle's new boy. He's almost done with his ears, and I'm happy he got to meet and play with Kady for a few months before she passed last week.

I happened to get a new camera a couple months ago, so I am really grateful to have had my favorite four-legged model around while I did, so I could get all kinds of great pics even up until (what I never would have guessed would be) our very last day together. She was always so tolerant and patient of my sticking a huge camera in her face

One of these days sooner rather than later we will be ready to honor Kady's memory by sharing our love with a new pup. In the meantime, here are some of my favorite pics of the late Arkady Darell:

Here's Kady at around 4 months, getting close to finishing her ears:


Here are a couple from the last few months:







And here's one last photo of the late dynamic trio - Kady, her uncle, and her brother - all 3 passed in the last year or so, but theyr're never forgotten and always loved:




Ok ok last one I promise - this is the first photo of mine I've ever tried to have printed. It'll arrive on Monday morning and I'm hoping it turns out great:
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Welcome to DT. I'm sorry for your loss. Unfortunately it sounds like she died of sudden death dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). It plagues our breed and only a small percentage of breeders really care about the health of our breed and are trying to learn more about how it is passed from generation to generation/eliminate if from our breed.

When the time is right and you feel like welcoming another doberman in your life we would love to help you find a reputable breeder who does extensive health testing, including the most important testing for cardiac health!
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Very sorry to read this post on your Dobie

Btw , welcome from Indiana

Like Greenie said , look forward to welcoming your new pup on hear .

Your pictures are great , the last one ? Outstanding shoot !
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What a beautiful lady she was! So sorry to hear of your loss. Sharing it here is a thoughtful way to honor Kady. We all understand your grief. So many here have lost a beloved Doberman to DCM sudden death.

You might want to join the Facebook group “Doberman Pinscher Breeder Listings”. It is strictly regulated to allow only announcements from breeders who do the gamut of testing and titling dam/sire that is the hallmark of a reputable breeder. Lots of great threads on here about choosing a reputable breeder.


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I'm so sorry. Run free, Kady girl.
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So sorry for your loss. Your photos were beautiful. They show what a special girl Kady was. Welcome to DT and I hope you stay around.

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Well AD. First... Welcome from the Pacific NW!

I am very sorry about the loss of your pretty girl. We had a boy pass under a similar situation. We knew he had DCM and he survived his first episode of Ventricular Tachycardia. We knew that it would kill him someday. And it finally did.

Thanks for the pictures...

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So sorry for your loss. Your photos were beautiful. They show what a special girl Kady was. Welcome to DT and I hope you stay around.
Thanks so much, she was definitely my partner through my entire (questionably) adult life. We learned a lot from one another. I'm glad to have known her and I'm happy to carry her memory and all the things we experienced together with me forever. <3

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Welcome to DT. I'm sorry for your loss. Unfortunately it sounds like she died of sudden death dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). It plagues our breed and only a small percentage of breeders really care about the health of our breed and are trying to learn more about how it is passed from generation to generation/eliminate if from our breed.

When the time is right and you feel like welcoming another doberman in your life we would love to help you find a reputable breeder who does extensive health testing, including the most important testing for cardiac health!
I really appreciate that. I've learned a little bit about this condition and sadly I'm not a stranger to it either. Sorry to say that we lost Kady's brother the same way almost exactly 6 months ago, so I had a sneaking suspicion that we were living on borrowed time with her. As rough as that is to say, I am grateful that I got to spend our last 6 months appreciating every last moment we had together. I hoped of course that it wouldn't affect her, but the possibility was very real since we lost her brother. She and her brother and her uncle were all from the same line, so I think we were just unlucky with the siblings, since auntie and uncle were not affected. Their lines were well documented and they were from a great breeder, but sadly it seems that can't always give us perfect security. That said, if there are lines that people are "relatively sure" that DCM symptoms aren't present, that would be something I would have a big interest in checking out.

Is DCM something where people can have relative security against, in any particular breed line? I can do my due diligence here too, just interested to hear what others might have to say on the topic. Thanks so much for your kind words

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Very sorry to read this post on your Dobie

Btw , welcome from Indiana

Like Greenie said , look forward to welcoming your new pup on hear .

Your pictures are great , the last one ? Outstanding shoot !
Thanks for the welcome and for your compliments on the shots!

The last photo was using 2 strobes with color gels (orange and blue) and high-speed-sync to my Sony a7iii via Godox. I was lucky to grab this one out of a series of 6 or 7 where I got her to put up with flashing lights in near darkness and my camera in her face. I'm soooo happy I got it. I was shooting some other artsy stuff with friends and we just grabbed these of her in the last 5 minutes of our hours-long shoot. Gosh I'm happy I did. I always thought "I'll have plenty of time to recreate this down the road and get an even better one." Sadly that's not always the case. But it's a good reminder to enjoy and appreciate the time we have with all our loved ones, dobies or humans alike.

I'm really excited to see how this 10x20 print turns out. I think i could have printed it as big as 20x40 with good photo quality, thanks to the equipment used. I'll be sure to report back and let everyone know how it looks when it arrives (hopefully tomorrow)

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What a beautiful lady she was! So sorry to hear of your loss. Sharing it here is a thoughtful way to honor Kady. We all understand your grief. So many here have lost a beloved Doberman to DCM sudden death.

You might want to join the Facebook group “Doberman Pinscher Breeder Listings”. It is strictly regulated to allow only announcements from breeders who do the gamut of testing and titling dam/sire that is the hallmark of a reputable breeder. Lots of great threads on here about choosing a reputable breeder.
She really was a beauty queen . So many beauties shared on these forums. I thank you much for the understanding and commiseration, it means a lot.

Thanks too for the suggestion on the fb group. I'll check it out. For what it's worth, she and her brother (and uncle and auntie) did come from a reputable breeder, which makes it all extra tough. I'm considering all options though for my next pack member. I've even got my passport ready just in case we need to make a travel adventure This will be a great resource though, it's awfully tough to find good information all in one place. Thanks again!

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I'm so sorry. Run free, Kady girl.
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Well AD. First... Welcome from the Pacific NW!

I am very sorry about the loss of your pretty girl. We had a boy pass under a similar situation. We knew he had DCM and he survived his first episode of Ventricular Tachycardia. We knew that it would kill him someday. And it finally did.

Thanks for the pictures...

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Hey John thanks very much for the kind words and I'm sorry that any of us have had to go through this with our beloved pups. Thanks also for the suggestion to come over here and post our intro! Your thoughts and thanks are much appreciated. I am lucky to have a billion pictures including some really high-quality shots of the last couple years since I started getting more seriously into photography. I hope to take and share many more in the future! <3

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Really sad to hear of your losses.
Yep...my first Doberman Mafia passed under the oak tree 5 years ago....was here ...then gone.
Yeah...tough........still tough......but then after things settled and I swore dedication to this breed ....we picked another pup......his name is Hoss and is 3.5 years now.
So.......really love your photos.....and would like to welcome you to our forum .....from Florida !!!
Looking forward to more communications with you soon.
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Hi Sam.

Thanks for your response.

There are quite a few folks here who are currently Dobe-less. Stick around. This is a wonderful and friendly community.

Come visit us on the "Chicken Thread" officially known as The Girls Outside.

It's just for fun. A small close knit group who simply gets a little crazy sometimes. We chat about anything just for the heck of it.

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I am sorry for the loss of your beautiful girl. This is a great community with lots of people with knowledge and experience.
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Welcome from Canada. I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your beautiful girl. They really take a big piece of our heart when they go.

Im still grieving the loss of my old gal although I've got a new young boy who is keeping me busy and helping heal my heart. You can see them in my signature.
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Hi sam! Thanks for your message and I’m So sorry for your loss. Great pics and look forward to hopefully seeing puppy pics soon. - Allison, Moose & Mina (TX)


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A.J . ! Where have you been ??? Get back on here and give up a update , was it Mina that was having some problems ? How everybody your way is doing fine !

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Welcome from Ontario, Canada...ArkadyDarell.
- your Love for the Doberman, is clearly obvious
- so sorry for your recent Losses
- the photos, are gorgeous

We lost our former Amy and sharing stories & pics. on DT ...did really comfort me.
- its never easy
- here is her old/senior video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgnM067oZKc
- while it takes a long time usually, tears will one day...turn into lucky smiles
- the good heart dog, just own their masters
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Welcome to DobermanTalk from another Portland, Oregon resident. I finally escaped SoCal after years down there and came home to the Pacific Northwest after 30 years in and around the beach area (Marina Del Rey, Venice, Santa Mondica and Westchester) I'd had enough of SoCal.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your girl--I've had Dobes since 1959 and got a very early lesson in cardio and the Doberman because I was lucky enough to have regular vets who knew about it far in advance of most vets and because a friend (another vet--who stopped by my parents on his way home from a show to see what they'd heard from me--my dog who was living out his old age where he'd grown up evidently coughed and the vet asked how long he'd been doing that--they didn't know--he went out to his van and got his stethoscope and told them to got talk to his vet--that he had CHF. That was in 1988 and the dog lasted another 5 months or so on Lasix--and then he was euthanized. At that time practically the only drug around for DCM/CHF was Lasix and there was almost nothing for treating any of the electrical problems that often lead to sudden death--today cardio diagnosis and treatment has come a long long way.

Presently I'm probably on my last Doberman and he's a very old lovely fawn dog who is 13 years and 7 months old. All of my dogs start having echo's and holters done when they are 2 for a baseline. And are rechecked yearly until they are 6 or 7 and then they are cardio checked twice a year--early diagnosis and early treatment of cardio is very effective in giving most Dobes a reasonable life span.

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Welcome from Ontario, Canada...ArkadyDarell.
- your Love for the Doberman, is clearly obvious
- so sorry for your recent Losses
- the photos, are gorgeous

We lost our former Amy and sharing stories & pics. on DT ...did really comfort me.
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- while it takes a long time usually, tears will one day...turn into lucky smiles
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Oh man that poem, someone's cutting onions in here. That got me. In a good way though <3

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Welcome to DobermanTalk from another Portland, Oregon resident. I finally escaped SoCal after years down there and came home to the Pacific Northwest after 30 years in and around the beach area (Marina Del Rey, Venice, Santa Mondica and Westchester) I'd had enough of SoCal.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your girl--I've had Dobes since 1959 and got a very early lesson in cardio and the Doberman because I was lucky enough to have regular vets who knew about it far in advance of most vets and because a friend (another vet--who stopped by my parents on his way home from a show to see what they'd heard from me--my dog who was living out his old age where he'd grown up evidently coughed and the vet asked how long he'd been doing that--they didn't know--he went out to his van and got his stethoscope and told them to got talk to his vet--that he had CHF. That was in 1988 and the dog lasted another 5 months or so on Lasix--and then he was euthanized. At that time practically the only drug around for DCM/CHF was Lasix and there was almost nothing for treating any of the electrical problems that often lead to sudden death--today cardio diagnosis and treatment has come a long long way.

Presently I'm probably on my last Doberman and he's a very old lovely fawn dog who is 13 years and 7 months old. All of my dogs start having echo's and holters done when they are 2 for a baseline. And are rechecked yearly until they are 6 or 7 and then they are cardio checked twice a year--early diagnosis and early treatment of cardio is very effective in giving most Dobes a reasonable life span.

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Thanks for the followup information on this, I really appreciate you sharing your experience with the condition. We lost Kady's littermate brother earlier this year (in february) the same way, so we had an inkling we might be living on borrowed time. He was 7.5 and she made it to just past her 8th birthday. I'm glad we got to enjoy every single last second of her life and appreciate it to the fullest. I believe I read on another post somewhere that you mentioned getting a Holter of your own - I'd consider this too if only to simplify the process of staying regular on monitoring. Are the results from the Holter something you can interpret yourself, or do those need to be run by a vet for interpretation?

Interestingly, I suffered a heart condition as a kid that involved arrhythmia, and I wore a Holter several times before they eventually performed a radio-catheter ablation on me to correct the issue. I wish DCM was something we could fix in that fashion, too. I'd get that done in a heartbeat for any future afflicted dogs. In the meantime I've read some very interesting stuff this year on DCM diagnosis and testing, especially involving the titin mutation they're interested in as a marker for DCM. This article has probably already made its rounds around these forums, but I found it pretty neat: https://news.ncsu.edu/2019/02/doberman-heart/
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Oh yeah, one more thing!

I'm happy to report that my 12x24" print of Kady arrived from adoramapix today. They did a great job.

Until I get around to finding a good place to hang it, here's how it turned out:


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For the record her ears show up just fine in the print in person - really hard to get a good pic of a print of a pic

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A.J . ! Where have you been ??? Get back on here and give up a update , was it Mina that was having some problems ? How everybody your way is doing fine !



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Hi Ken! Everyone is doing great! We have been busy renovating the house. Just finished the landscaping so the dogs are really excited. Yes, Mina got really sick from ecoli and then aspiration pneumonia. It was so scary and she was in the hospital April 2018 but happy to report she is doing great and is still the boss of Moose! We think moose suffers from battered man syndrome. She takes his ball, takes his spot next to us, takes his bone but yet he always goes back to her for more abuse. Lol . I just love these dobermans and cannot imagine my life without this breed in it. Hope y’all are doing well and miss coming on here!


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I love the surface finish on your picture (not to mention your model ). Does that print technique have a special name?
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I love the surface finish on your picture (not to mention your model ). Does that print technique have a special name?
It's a print on canvas, stretched over a wooden frame! I think the texture you see is the paint/ink on the canvas surface. It actually has quite a bit more sheen to it than I expected.

If you want to check it out, you can see exactly how I did it here. Basically you can upload whatever picture you want and it will help you decide how big you can print it and what your options are for print. I take all kinds of photos in mostly hobbyist capacity, so I plan on using it this year for Christmas gifts, etc. This was my first time printing any photo of mine, and I figured it was as good a test as any.

More pixels don't necessarily mean better camera, but more pixels almost always mean bigger possible prints. There is an indicator when you upload a pic - it will tell you the best size to print for optimum quality, or the biggest possible for print. It's pretty neat. The latest iPhone cameras are 12MP which is actually quite large. You can print really big pics with that many pixels! My new Sony a7iii mirrorless camera with a full frame sensor is still "only" double that at 24MP.

One of these I'll get around to printing more of my favorites and putting them up around the house. Maybe a solid wall section for beloved dogs present and past

For reference, the picture of Kady I posted first (of her as a pup) was taken with my iPhone approximately 8 years ago (what iPhone was even out then??), and it's still pretty darned sharp!

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Pre-Edit: the iPhone out in 2009 was the iPhone 3GS, with a whopping 3MP camera. Still, HD resolution on a TV is only 2MP, so lots of possibilities there!

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We lost Kady's littermate brother earlier this year (in february) the same way, so we had an inkling we might be living on borrowed time. He was 7.5 and she made it to just past her 8th birthday.
I'm sorry for your loss.

Just wanted to point out that one of the problems with dcm is that you never know who / if ... Even if you lost Kady's brother at 7, she may have lived to 13. It's very hit and miss. There are dogs that live to be 14 who produce young dogs lost to dcm. There are dogs who died at 5 of dcm that produce long-lived offspring. You really never know.

That said, responsible breeders are using the tests available - regular cardiac ultrasounds, regular Holter monitoring, the 2 DNA tests we have, some do proBNP testing. Some knowledgeable owners do the same in order to start early treatment if a problem is detected. Responsible breeders use pedigree research and the longevity database to try to concentrate longevity into the pedigrees. Even then, problems can still occur but hopefully it is minimal. But even when minimal overall, you've devastated the owners no matter how few of them were affected.
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Via M&D: "Some knowledgeable owners do the same in order to start early treatment if a problem is detected.

Yup^^^

So... Let's talk about DCM. I have never seen totally reliable stats, but the general consensus is the 50%-60% of Dobermans will be affected by Dilated Cardio Myopathy at some point.

We had a boy who went down with SDS (Sudden Death Syndrome) due to Ventricular Tachycardia due to DCM at almost 6yo. He survived (barely) due to a quick diagnosis and triage. Fortunately, with meds, he lived a good life to an average age.

I said: "Never again".

Our youngest had a full cardio workup by a well respected canine cardiologist, including a 24 hour Holter, an Echocardiogram, a full blood panel and a complete physical at 3.

He passed with flying colors.

The cardio vet said that I should bring him back a 5yo. It would be a better indicator of potential heart problems.

He will revisit them in a couple of months.

McCoy has very good canine health insurance and should a problem be detected early on, the chance of him living a normal life is pretty good. Although, it is certainly not a given.

Dogs with heart disease are pretty much treated just like humans. No guarantee, but an early diagnosis and treatment seriously increases the chance of longevity. It can be expensive.

We were lucky with our other boy. With Many Dobe owners, their first experience with DCM/SDS/V-Tach ends in a dead dog. Quickly.

So... I am committed to regular testing and maintaining a quality insurance policy on my baby.

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I'm sorry for your loss.

Just wanted to point out that one of the problems with dcm is that you never know who / if ... Even if you lost Kady's brother at 7, she may have lived to 13. It's very hit and miss. There are dogs that live to be 14 who produce young dogs lost to dcm. There are dogs who died at 5 of dcm that produce long-lived offspring. You really never know.

That said, responsible breeders are using the tests available - regular cardiac ultrasounds, regular Holter monitoring, the 2 DNA tests we have, some do proBNP testing. Some knowledgeable owners do the same in order to start early treatment if a problem is detected. Responsible breeders use pedigree research and the longevity database to try to concentrate longevity into the pedigrees. Even then, problems can still occur but hopefully it is minimal. But even when minimal overall, you've devastated the owners no matter how few of them were affected.
The proBNP testing looks interesting, that's not one that was on my radar. I'm also curious about the titin mutation topic but I'll have to keep an ear to the ground on that front, as it looks relatively new and I'm not sure how good of a predictor it actually is (or whether it's just another important piece of the puzzle).

Kady's brother lived a couple states away with my cousin, but they visited often and the dogs loved one another. After the news of his passing, I knew that it was just a roll of the dice for her. It wasn't so much that because he died, that I thought she was doomed - it was more that his death was a sobering reminder that I should appreciate all the time I had with her, whether it was 6 months (as it turned out to be) or several more years. Kady's aunt (daughter of kady's grandsire) is alive and well at 12, and Kady's uncle (same sire as auntie) lived to 10.5 before succumbing to digestive issues.

I am still so grateful for the 8 years that I got with her. I know many others lose their dogs much sooner at 3, 4, 5... With her, it was over so fast. She made something of a funny sound (like a sigh) and when I looked over at her she was in full seizure mode - eyes wide open, mouth half open, legs outstretched. Her heartbeat was irregular and breaths were very shallow if they were there at all. Maybe 15 seconds later I thought I couldn't feel a pulse I did CPR for a couple minutes.. but I knew she was gone after awhile. It's not like paramedics were on their way and the nearest 24/hr vet hospital is close, but not close enough. I had to try.

Later (this week) I would read about some of the symptoms of DCM including the odd dry "cough" she would experience here and there. Never a fit, just one or two short clearings of the throat. It wasn't always associated with exercise, and it never lasted for more than one or two coughs. I figured something she was chewing on or a piece of fuzz was stuck in her throat. Even during these few and far-between episdoes, she never showed any signs of distress or fatigue or change in affect. Always alert, always super loving, and very insistent on being covered up with her head on the tempurpedic pillow in the center of the bed (taking up enough room for 2 humans). Eager to play, eager to train, eager to eat and drink plenty of water... I don't know if I'm just associating "symptoms" in retrospect or if the second I heard her clear her throat I should have been scheduling a new holter/ecg. I'll be paranoid about it in the future, but better safe than sorry. I don't want to go too far down the "if only I had done x, y, and z" path, but I certainly want to learn and grow and do the best that I can for my next dog.

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Via M&D: "Some knowledgeable owners do the same in order to start early treatment if a problem is detected.

Yup^^^

So... Let's talk about DCM. I have never seen totally reliable stats, but the general consensus is the 50%-60% of Dobermans will be affected by Dilated Cardio Myopathy at some point.

We had a boy who went down with SDS (Sudden Death Syndrome) due to Ventricular Tachycardia due to DCM at almost 6yo. He survived (barely) due to a quick diagnosis and triage. Fortunately, with meds, he lived a good life to an average age.

I said: "Never again".

Our youngest had a full cardio workup by a well respected canine cardiologist, including a 24 hour Holter, an Echocardiogram, a full blood panel and a complete physical at 3.

He passed with flying colors.

The cardio vet said that I should bring him back a 5yo. It would be a better indicator of potential heart problems.

He will revisit them in a couple of months.

McCoy has very good canine health insurance and should a problem be detected early on, the chance of him living a normal life is pretty good. Although, it is certainly not a given.

Dogs with heart disease are pretty much treated just like humans. No guarantee, but an early diagnosis and treatment seriously increases the chance of longevity. It can be expensive.

We were lucky with our other boy. With Many Dobe owners, their first experience with DCM/SDS/V-Tach ends in a dead dog. Quickly.

So... I am committed to regular testing and maintaining a quality insurance policy on my baby.

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I feel somewhat ashamed for not having been better informed. Maybe ashamed is too strong a term... regretful? I've probably got 30 hours or so in the last week doing nothing but learning everything I can about the subject. I guess I've just been lucky despite my ignorance. Lucky to have not had to experience it until now.

I remember (as a young kid) my grandmothers' dobermans being old dogs, and when one would pass away they'd be buried in the front yard by the side gate with their gone-but-not-forgotten buddies. They were always sweethearts. I remember being in High School (grown out of my more sentimental childhood years - now angsty and teenaged) having a deep respect for my Uncle's extremely driven female. I loved her, but she was a working dog and we only saw each other a few times a year. My uncle worked with Mali and GSD K9 trainers in the San Antonio area for several years as a volunteer/hobbyist. I remember taking some bites from them and being in awe of their drive and discipline. When I finally graduated from college in San Diego I moved to TX and was working closely with my uncle on our new company (and with his 3 year old male Dobe) I was finally free of school and working for myself. I was 24. It was time for me to start my own journey with a dog. Of course I had to have a Doberman. We got Kady and her brother for me and my cousin (who was 13 at the time).

We now had a crew of 3 red Dobies from the same line, 2 littermates (F and M) and the old experienced uncle (M). They spent days playing together, nearby in the shop, or running around the yard, or crated in shifts as the need arose - while we worked - and Kady came home with me in the evenings and spent her youth on several acres in TX hillcountry. We trained and trained, mostly obedience, but some nose work and a little bit of bite work. We played with every type of ball. We chewed every type of toy. Tennis balls were her absolute favorite, (sacred gifts from the dobie-gods as far as she was concerned) and mostly used as training incentive. We and spent every waking and sleeping hour together. She came with me on work road trips all across the United States. We spent a few years on the road together building up our business. We slept in dozens of Walmart parking lots together in the back of a Suburban, bundled up in a blanket and a thin mattress pad. We've sneaked into hotels that didn't allow dogs when it got too cold (I'm not kidding, she would down and stay while I went around and opened the window on the ground floor, and she'd jump in!). We've played in rivers and snow and deserts and at beaches and barely spent a single minute apart. We lived in NM for a few years after TX. She loved riding in the Jeep with the top and doors off. She loved the water; rivers, lakes, beaches, you name it. Hell, she even loved rock crawling, often standing with a paw on 4 different surfaces (seatback, side panel, seat bottom, headrest) while we crawled up rocks in NM in the Jeep. She loved the high-desert, running off and exploring while we fixed a broken jeep or analyzed a tricky trail. Eventually our business was successful (oil and gas has its ups and downs), and finally, a couple years ago, we moved back to Southern California where I grew up. I worked from home. We'd go play on the beach at night and she'd run and run through the sand (and frequently decide to chase waves and try and bite them) and come home wet and sandy. We'd walk on the strand and meet lots of interesting people and dogs. At home, she liked to alternate between sunshine on the grass in the front yard, and air conditioning with her head on the pillow in bed. She always preferred the Tempur-Pedic California king, tucked into her blanket with her head on the pillow. Spoiled brat! She deserved it.

For the greater part of 6 years we were in unfamiliar places while I worked my butt off (with her alongside me) during the day, and spent all my evenings and free time with her. I simply didn't have many close friends around - she was my whole world through most of my adult life. We were partners. I would be a completely and entirely different person without her. I am a better person having loved her.

I think what my point is, or what I'm trying to convince myself, is that I was simply ignorant of most of the Dobie world that I see on these forums today. I always considered myself a relative "expert" because I had a well trained dog (we had several) and I've been around these dogs since I could remember. But I didn't take as much time to really search out other Dobie-people until now. I just hope that I didn't let her down by learning about some of this stuff the hard way. I just want to learn and be better. I'll be better for future dogs when I'm ready.

On that note, I'm ready to gear up and be as prepared as possible. I know I can't control everything, and I have to accept the things I can't change and work hard to change the things I can moving forward. I thank you all for your kind support, for your patience, and for your dedication to the breed. I look forward to continuing to learn and give back to others, people and dogs alike!


One of our first work road trips!


The muddiest the inside (and outside) of my Jeep ever got!


New Mexico high desert exploration!


She loved swimming, and near-obsessively chased waves/wakes/splashes!


Spoiled TempurPedic Dog!


Jeep Dog in NM


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Great history together !
Nice story to hear at the beginning of my work day........
Universe is working in your favor...........you will meet your next love real soon........looking forward to it!
Check out the Axel thread........Louise just got her new pup recently.......they live in the UK.................she has one PIC of Axel jumping up on the dinner table...........so funny............and one of him trying to catch an irritating fly...........great thread.......we all watched her pick out the perfect pup........then as we all sat on the edge of out seats awaiting delivery.........oh you will just have to read the Axel's thread ..........good heart medicine !!
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