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He doesn't seem to be in physical pain when he's running around playing with my other dog. I took him in for an extra wellness check the other day and the vet said he looked perfectly healthy. He loves to run around fast and leap in the air. I really think somebody was terrible to him and traumatized him. When I went to try fetch with him and my other dog he went and hid. He seemed afraid of me throwing the ball. I tried rolling it after that but he didn't come back. I knew he would by a mystery to figure out.

When I very first offered treats he wouldn't take them from my hand. He avoided getting close to my hand. He would shrink away from it. Then I got bigger, better treats and offered them from my palm and then he would take 2 but no more. He's now getting the idea to do as I ask and he may have a treat. If he does not do what I ask, sit for example, I'll ask for him to come to me then give the treat. All training sessions are short, clear and simple. This week he learned to put his paw on the object I point at when I say "paw". Just now I offered him a piece of steak for a sit, the holding it over his head method. He defaulted to a down but got nervous about the whole thing and went into his crate. When I called him out of his crate he came out and went right back to a down.

I want to start obedience classes with him but I know sit is a really early basic skill in the classes. I'll try the things that have been mentioned and see if there's progress. I do know a dog/horse trainer that specializes in clicker training.

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As I review your accomplishments with your pup so far via this thread........when you take an overall view.......you are really progressing at a good pace. I read something the other day that I think applies here.......it goes like this.....

Move like nature............with patience.

He is a great looking red........beautiful eyes..........and he is building confidence ......I can tell this through your posts.

Just look for any kind of progress each day ......and you will get there in natures time.

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Congrats on your new guy!

Like dobebug, I wouldn't "insist" on teaching sit. I'm assuming he chooses to sit on his own sometimes? If not, I'd definitely look into getting a more thorough vet check to see what kind of pain might be going on, because if he doesn't choose on his own to sit down, he's likely having some pain issues.

If he DOES choose to sit on his own, I'd consider trying just "capturing" the sit when he's doing it naturally. The easiest way to do it is with clicker training, because you can clearly mark that as something you like with a clicker, but if you don't like a clicker you can also use a verbal "yes!" when he's sitting and reward it. You don't need to pair it with the word "sit" for a while, and, in fact, the word sit might have a negative connotation for him. You may need a different command word. But if you capture him sitting often enough, mark it with a click or verbal "yes!", and eventually pair that with a command word, he will start to understand that sitting is a GOOD thing! He'll likely start to offer that behavior for you and you can then start layering on the command word you want to use when you see his butt start to hit the ground. That's how I'd approach it, so it's his idea to sit. After a while, it'll start to become automatic and paired with your command word, and voila! You'll have a solid sit command.
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Is he close to your other dog at all? Sometimes they will learn by copying or observing how the other dog is acting around you. And sometimes friendly competition helps. I occasionally played the "race to sit" game with my two. Whoever sat fastest got the treat, or at least got one first.

It just sounds like it'll be a long haul with him, but it's encouraging that you are making some progress with him.

He looks very dober-MANLY.
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He's really come a very long way in a short amount of time. Here's a pic from February when he was picked up as a stray in another state. And here he is about 3 days ago playing with a ball on my treadmill (at least somebody's using the treadmill). Hard to believe it's the same dog.
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You have done wonders with him! So thankful you found each other!
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He's really come a very long way in a short amount of time. Here's a pic from February when he was picked up as a stray in another state. And here he is about 3 days ago playing with a ball on my treadmill (at least somebody's using the treadmill). Hard to believe it's the same dog.
That first picture may be the Saddest thing I have seen in a good while - Cressrb said it best ! I think you 2 have found there best friends - Good job Falcon !!
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He's really come a very long way in a short amount of time. Here's a pic from February when he was picked up as a stray in another state. And here he is about 3 days ago playing with a ball on my treadmill (at least somebody's using the treadmill). Hard to believe it's the same dog.

All I have to say is .......HELL YEAH.........when I look at those picís........boy thank you so much for accepting the challenge.
He looks so much better .......healthy as you know what.........

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Yes - that first picture of him is haunting.

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....I want to start obedience classes with him but I know sit is a really early basic skill in the classes. I'll try the things that have been mentioned and see if there's progress. I do know a dog/horse trainer that specializes in clicker training.

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I've run into a number of trainers who are just fine with not insisting on a sit during the heel. They take into account that people who show their dogs in conformation don't want their dog to sit automatically whenever they stop moving forward. Anyway, I'm sure if you explain your situation to a trainer, they'd understand and not insist that you guys perform a sit at the moment.

I would be cautious with a formal obedience class for him, though. He may not be able to handle that right now. Many classes are sorta cookie-cutter during instruction time and don't really allow much extra time for you to work with a dog who needs a bit of extra attention, or who may get overwhelmed from time to time. If you can find a teacher who is also a trained behaviorist and is willing to teach individually when needed, and who offers a class of just a few dogs who are matched for similar kinds of problem behaviors that would be wonderful.
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I did and do worry that some trainers won't fully understand Falcon's situation or not know how to deal with it. He's got some triggers for sure. I guess I could whip out his awful February photo if I have to but I'd really rather not. I've noticed over time that when you tell some people you have a rehab dog or an extremely shy dog they seem to take it as a challenge and do even more to win the dog over which makes things much worse for this type of dog. I would ask people to ignore my dog so the dog could process the stranger own their own timeline and some people just could not stop themselves from trying harder. I'd even have to step in front of them sometimes. (I'd wanted to be a professional dog trainer in my earlier life but saw just how difficult some people were to train in regards to the dogs.)

The dog I got 3 years ago (Laverne) had a very similar start but much worse and her emotional wounds healed only to a point. We did classes but were lucky to get an instructor that was totally willing to get creative to help Laverne rather than frighten her further. Laverne excelled in the classes and was able to do off leash rally courses. I was hoping that trainer was still at that training facility but she isn't.

There is a local behaviorist that I've heard of that's said to have Doberman experience but I don't think she does a class. I think you call her in if you have a problem. I've always wondered if I should call in a specialist early, before problems, or should I do what I do and if there's a problem call for help. With my horses I always get help if I need it. But I have tackled some pretty big issues alone and had incredible successes.

Today marks one month that Falcon has been with me and he is starting to ooze happiness. This last weekend he had some sort of turning point. He comes up to me on his own, gently nudges the back of my arm then when I turn to look at him he rests his head on my arm and just stares at me. And his little stump tail is wagging like crazy. I feel very complimented by this.

I think I'll wait a little longer before heading to the training center. He's a very well behaved dog, great on leash, quiet in the house and decent recall for having just started. He always comes but sometimes I have to say his name twice. We've been training in my spacious horse barn. Next week we'll be testing our training in our new outdoor dog run.

Thanks for all your help and feedback. Much appreciated!
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I wish that I was your rescue! One month? Nice progress.

It seems that you and Falcon are developing a true bond.

Best to you and the "Red" Falcon.

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Yay Falcon; good progress. You must be doing something right to win the guy's trust.

Is that Laverne in the other seat?
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Yes, that's Laverne. She's a three year old Doberman Boxer cross.
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Yep...you are right on.......all that other training stuff can wait........thanks for the rescue !

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