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New member here. First and foremost thanks to all the contributors on this forum for the vast knowledge being shared. I am learning a lot on a daily basis. I am in the process of finding a reputable breeder of European line Dobermans in FL and will keep posting some questions. Please tolerate my newbie questions as I am still learning the Puppy acquiring process.

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Welcome to DT! Why are you wanting a "Euro" doberman? 99% of breeders breeding so called "Euro" dobermans are NOT reputable.
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Welcome to DT! Why are you wanting a "Euro" doberman? 99% of breeders breeding so called "Euro" dobermans are NOT reputable.
That is my concern. I realize the "gimmicky" Euro tag that some breeders are attaching to their names. From what I understand, the Euro lines are larger boned, and larger overall dobermans. That is not an absolute necessity, but I would like to stay within the correct size guidelines of a doberman, and I worry that the "oversized" dobermans that some breeders tout, will come with a host of health concerns. This is why I was looking into the Euro lines.

Again, I am mostly looking for a big, beautiful, cropped, docked male doberman, with the temperament required for a therapy animal. It does not HAVE to be a Euro line, although if there is a reputable breeder that someone would recommend, I would love to speak with them.

That being said, does anyone have any recommendations for quality breeders in the Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana or Illinois areas? I am willing to drive, and willing to pay for excellence.

Thank you all again for your input!
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Welcome to DT, also from Colorado!

If you're looking for a possible therapy dog, I'm *assuming* you're looking for a reasonably calm and stable, sturdy guy. And like you said, there are a lot of gimmicky Euro "breeders" out there you'd want to stay away from. Sometimes too, the folks who are good reputable Euro breeders are looking more to produce a working type who is high energy and a driven sort of dog, who may be a little more than the average person (especially someone who is new to the breed) is prepared to deal with. Euro lines aren't really any healthier than American lines either--the major health problems facing the dobe community today (especially DCM) are present in all dobe bloodlines.

I'm thinking you might do better to look to a breeder who is focusing on steady temperaments that fit into your more typical dog owner's life--with a good dobe temperament but not quite as "gotta work, gotta work, gotta work" as a high energy "working dobe" can be. That may mean that you need to consider the breeders of "American" show bloodlines too. A reputable breeder both here in America and in Europe, prioritizes health and good temperaments, proper size and bone development--I think you can find what you're looking for in American bloodlines too, with less chance of running into one of those "out to make a buck" folks who are unscrupulously marketing the latest fad dog...the dobe with a "Euro" label.

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You can find a American show line dog with a lot of bone. Have you ever been to a dog show to see a well bred dog in person? That is a good starting point as is the DPCA.org breeder referral and DPCA chapter club list. Good luck in your search!
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Thanks every one for the warm welcome. I have nothing against the American lines - absolutely wonderful dogs but doing my research I have found that European lines have a temperament like no other - very stable and energetic dogs that want to work and thats what I am looking for in a Dobie.

Having said that I have spoken to a number of Breeders of European Lines here and I am perplexed by the number of BYB out there claiming their dogs to be King size, Health tested blah blah. To be Honest in the beginning I was attracted to the word King size because I was of the opinion - bigger = better but boy was I wrong. Matter of fact I almost pulled the trigger on a puppy from a breeder who had this big 125 lbs Sire pics loaded on his website. But as I researched more and more I learnt that this breed is born with agility and high energy and should not exceed a certain size and weight. There are so many things to this breed rather than just the size and looks.

Though all the so called breeders claim that their dogs were health tested, when I asked about evidence of DCM related issues or Holter tests I dint hear back from many breeders. Matter of fact some of them were not even aware of DCM in these dogs. These kind of Breeders should be prosecuted in my opinion.

Anyways my search for a reputable breeder with a great pedigree and complete health tests done on the dogs prior to breeding still continues. I am even contacting breeders in Europe as I heard that their breeding standards are much stricter than here and their dogs need to be certified before breeding. So lets see how that goes.

However if there is a reputable breeder here that anyone know of please pass on the information. No question I will do my due diligence before I pull the trigger this time

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where in Florida are you? There were HUGE shows last month in Brooksville - the Florida circuit is in January every year, and breeders/owners/handlers come from all over for those shows so there would have been a lot of Dobermans to see from many different breeders - not just in Florida. Of course, most of them would not have been European, but Florida is heavy on South American breeding.... which often are on the larger side of our standard.
There are several good reputable breeders in Florida - just not Euro pedigrees.
If you happen to be in North Florida, there is a decent entry in Dobermans in Tallahassee the weekend of Feb 23 & 24th. I live in Pennsylvania, but am going to be at those shows with my puppy.
For more show information, go to info dog.com You want to look for show type that starts with "AB" which stand for "All Breed" shows. The week before the show, you look at the Judging program to find the time and ring - you don't want to miss the ring time as people do not hang around after judging on their breed is done.
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I am even contacting breeders in Europe as I heard that their breeding standards are much stricter than here and their dogs need to be certified before breeding.
While certain kennel clubs require certain health (and temperament) clearances, the health requirements are rather minimal compared to what responsible breeders in North America are doing VOLUNTARILY. At one time, the European Dobermans were required to have hip and eye clearances. I remember talk of requiring a cardiac clearance (I don't know what method) but I also don't recall if it ever took hold or if it did and then it didn't stick? If that's it, that's not much when it comes to health.

You routinely see North American breeders testing hips, elbows, thyroids, eyes, vWD, cardiac (ecg and Holter at least, and some doing the 2 cardiac DNA tests), liver and kidney panels, the DINGS DNA test for vestibular disease, I see some now doing the degerative myelopathy DNA test now, etc. I just usually see more health testing being done in North America, in general.

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Welcome from Florida ....I have a Euro. Doberman ........I purchased him from a breeder that would not be deemed by this forum as a reputable breeder ......but Hoss is 3 now and I still have regular communications with his breeder.As for me I was really lucky to not fall in the hands of a bad breeder because there are many of them out there for sure.
Hoss is a very big boy....100 pounds and taller than the standards. He is my service dog as I have a hearing loss that causes balance issues . So he's tall ...but so am I .....and I basically use him as a counterweight as I walk. But let me tell you Euro's are ALOT of dog.......real strong prey drive .... and they love to work........and move ..move..move..........fortunately I am 6 feet tall and able to handle him if he try's to get out of line.
If I was a smaller woman he could have easily dragged me down the road during his early training classes.
Good luck in your search .........I just love Dobermans no matter where they come from !!!!!! There is a really great rescue group out of Crystal River, Florida area ..........lots of great dogs and maybe they will have some great references regarding some reputable breeders for you during your search. Dobie Ranch Rescue is the official name of this group.

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where in Florida are you? There were HUGE shows last month in Brooksville - the Florida circuit is in January every year, and breeders/owners/handlers come from all over for those shows so there would have been a lot of Dobermans to see from many different breeders - not just in Florida. Of course, most of them would not have been European, but Florida is heavy on South American breeding.... which often are on the larger side of our standard.
There are several good reputable breeders in Florida - just not Euro pedigrees.
If you happen to be in North Florida, there is a decent entry in Dobermans in Tallahassee the weekend of Feb 23 & 24th. I live in Pennsylvania, but am going to be at those shows with my puppy.
For more show information, go to info dog.com You want to look for show type that starts with "AB" which stand for "All Breed" shows. The week before the show, you look at the Judging program to find the time and ring - you don't want to miss the ring time as people do not hang around after judging on their breed is done.
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I am from Tampa Bay. Thanks for the info.
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Welcome from Florida ....I have a Euro. Doberman ........I purchased him from a breeder that would not be deemed by this forum as a reputable breeder ......but Hoss is 3 now and I still have regular communications with his breeder.As for me I was really lucky to not fall in the hands of a bad breeder because there are many of them out there for sure.
Hoss is a very big boy....100 pounds and taller than the standards. He is my service dog as I have a hearing loss that causes balance issues . So he's tall ...but so am I .....and I basically use him as a counterweight as I walk. But let me tell you Euro's are ALOT of dog.......real strong prey drive .... and they love to work........and move ..move..move..........fortunately I am 6 feet tall and able to handle him if he try's to get out of line.
If I was a smaller woman he could have easily dragged me down the road during his early training classes.
Good luck in your search .........I just love Dobermans no matter where they come from !!!!!! There is a really great rescue group out of Crystal River, Florida area ..........lots of great dogs and maybe they will have some great references regarding some reputable breeders for you during your search. Dobie Ranch Rescue is the official name of this group.

Hi LadyDi,

Thanks. Would you mind sending me the breeder info in Florida where you got your boy from?
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