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Getting ready to finally get a Dobie

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A few years ago we were getting ready to bring a Doberman into our lives. After a few conversations, one bad experience, busy work life and more importantly new child. we decided to wait. With things being in a better place, we are now ready to add a new doberman member to the family.

We didn't go with a doberman 4 years ago but we (my wife) ended up getting a golden. He is 4yo, has absolutely no problem with other dogs or people. He's the only dog that I know minds his own business when at the park. He is neutered if that means anything at all.

with that said i have a few questions that maybe someone here can answer for me. I have my own thoughts on these matters given that I've owned dogs (not dobermans) before, and from books and videos I've went through specifically about dobermans.

1.) Our golden is a male and neutered. Will there be any issues long term between the two if the doberman is a male as well.

2.) What is the best way to introduce a new puppy to our golden so there are no problems. our friends bring their dogs over all the time and its never been an issue, but thought I'd check just to make sure.

3.) Any particular way that i should introduce the puppy to the children? I was thinking bringing the little guy home alone and after a few hours introducing the kids.

4.) How do i feed two dogs with no issue? I'm guessing the baby will learn from the older one, when it snips at him, if it becomes an issue.

5.) what is the best age to start with a trainer?

6.) I'm planning on neutering between 1 and 1.5years. Are there any issues concerns with that?

7.) most importantly, what is the amount of time needed for physical activity (not mental) per day? and please don't say 5hrs like one person tired to tell me, because unless your homeless or have no life, that's not happening.
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Just to answer your 1st question--there is really not any way to predict whether your current male golden will get along with a male dobe, but dobes are prone to same-sex aggression, whether or not they are neutered. If that develops, it can be terrible to deal with and will not be a happy situation for any of those involved. And it is not something you can train out of a dog. Don't take a chance.....get a female.

Anyway, it's getting late for me, so I won't address your other questions for now. But I didn't want to let the first one go without a prompt and unequivocal answer.

I'm glad you're back, by the way. Welcome to DT again
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Welcome to DT amir - good questions on your part - will try and give you good answers + there is a ton of Doberman knowledge on here !


1.) Our golden is a male and neutered. Will there be any issues long term between the two if the doberman is a male as well.

I only know of one poster on here that has two male dogs - both being Dobermans together and with success - As Mel said - I would not advise having 2 male dogs together - Mr. B is our first male Doberman and he likes to take charge - that is until the female takes control - If me ? I would get a female if you want a Doberman



2.) What is the best way to introduce a new puppy to our golden so there are no problems. our friends bring their dogs over all the time and its never been an issue, but thought I'd check just to make sure.

I would first have a small area for your Doberman to stay in - do not let them have free run of the house - maybe a baby gate between a door way ,where they can see each other - smell - then I would hold the pup and have a meet and greet - to see how things go - then go from there as together time .

3.) Any particular way that i should introduce the puppy to the children? I was thinking bringing the little guy home alone and after a few hours introducing the kids.

I think you idea is ok to do - but remember - Doberman pups become Dobermansharks early on - it's more of a teething deal and they are learning bite control - this will go away as they get there adult teeth

4.) How do i feed two dogs with no issue? I'm guessing the baby will learn from the older one, when it snips at him, if it becomes an issue.

I have aways feed ours together - but the bowls are 8 to 10 feet apart - And I never leave them unattended ! Ali is 11 and Mr. B is 3 and every once in awhile - I well see one eyeing the other - yet it's peaceful - I would take great care in doing this - That big dog could hurt or kill a pup very easily - not even trying

5.) what is the best age to start with a trainer?

Mr. B went to his first class at 6 months - remember - they are a puppy and attention span is very short - what I'm saying is keep training class short at first - You can do lots of training at home all day long - little things - I still make Mr. B sit while filling his feed bowl and then release after I, done - training is a work in progress , not just one time a day !

6.) I'm planning on neutering between 1 and 1.5years. Are there any issues concerns with that?

We got Mr. B done around 18 months - most will advise up to 24 months - or until there growth plates are done .

7.) most importantly, what is the amount of time needed for physical activity (not mental) per day? and please don't say 5hrs like one person tired to tell me, because unless your homeless or have no life, that's not happening.

OK here ! I won't say 5 hours - lol It's really closer to 4 and a half hours - lol - Puppies wear out quick and then down for a cat nap - but as they get older - they will get bored and get into trouble - This is the hardest question for me to answer - as We farm and are in and out all the time + office is here also - so they probably get lots more play time versus somebody with a 8 to 5 deal - I will leave this to others on here to advise you . Best of luck !
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1.) Our golden is a male and neutered. Will there be any issues long term between the two if the doberman is a male as well.
This has been addressed, but I'd like to echo: don't take the chance. Get a bitch and save yourself the grief.

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4.) How do i feed two dogs with no issue? I'm guessing the baby will learn from the older one, when it snips at him, if it becomes an issue.
Crate feed for safety. This forces the dobe to chill before and after meals (important with a deep chested breed, for bloat prevention). This prevents food theft, and protects grabby kids from digging in food bowls. This also ensures there's no competition between them. Set a routine before puppy comes home, to get your golden used to it, and stick to it. Twice a day, crate feed, leave them there for a little bit to let meals settle, then release them from the crates.

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Immediately. We brought Ripley home on a Wednesday and had her in a puppy prek that Saturday.

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6.) I'm planning on neutering between 1 and 1.5years. Are there any issues concerns with that?
Later is usually better, and waiting until growth plates are fused is ideal. If you go through an ethical, reputable breeder they'll most likely discuss this further with you. Every vet I've talked to recently has said closer to 4 years seems like a good age, as there appears to be reduced risk of spay incontinence and the hormones are less necessary in a more mature bitch.

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7.) most importantly, what is the amount of time needed for physical activity (not mental) per day? and please don't say 5hrs like one person tired to tell me, because unless your homeless or have no life, that's not happening.
Every dog is different. There is no guaranteed answer here. I have met dogs that didn't have an off switch, and I have met dogs that were happy to chill on the couch as long as they got some exercise and a bunch of training every day.
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Since this is your first Doberman - It just may be me - or how we have raised them is that not only do Doberman's need Attention - But they demand it
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An hour or so dedicated for exercise, play and work, and then attention throughout the day on a more intermittent and casual basis worked for us.
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Thank you to all who responded to my thread. Itís funny how you think you have everything figured out to perfection but then someone else gives their point of view and all you can think is, thatís genius!!! Why didnít I think of that. You all are great resource and I appreciate the help.

The only problem Iím having right now is, and Iíve known this but Iíve just been in a bit of a denial. It is about not getting a male, but rather a female. I need to look into it more and see how I can overcome this obstacle. I will be 100% honest in saying the thought of having the Dobie not be a male bothers me beyond belief.
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...Why are you so hung up on a dog vs a bitch?

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...Why are you so hung up on a dog vs a bitch?
I was going to aske the same question as falnfenix .


As I said above - Mr. Business is our first Male Dobie - Always had a female - They are just a great as a Male Now I have to be honest - We had our hearts set on another female - yet it was a male or no puppy - as you - we had to think about it - and happy we got Mr. B - the same will work in reverse - I believe with you - you will be happy with a female - if this makes since
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I was also set on getting a male, since I've only ever had males growing up. The breeder I'm in contact with only has female puppies left and I was kind of disappointed, BUT then I met him and 2 of his puppies! And now I'm super okay with getting a female (I'll have to find out about heat cycles now!). I don't believe there is much difference between a male or female except for size. They'll both be a loyal and energetic companion.
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...Why are you so hung up on a dog vs a bitch?
Hey faln...

Great question, but very hard to answer for some. Myself included.

McCoy is 4, Sheriff is 8+. I am assuming my next pup (Dobe) will be in about 2 years.

Intellectually, my thought is a bitch, yet my gut keeps telling me dog. Maybe its some kind of a comfort factor? IDK. I have owned females before, but they were always rescues of mixed breeds. They always fit right in with my dogs.

I'm going to bet that folks who have always brought only females into their family, might also have the same trepidation vis a vis male pups.

My only realistic concern is dealing with an intact male and a bitch. Except for the first girl in 1971, all of our females have come home spayed.

Any bitch that we bring home will ultimately be spayed, but there will be that lead time (1-2 heats from what I understand).

So the bottom line with me, is that not having owned a Dobe bitch pup before, i am basically a little insecure about the prospect. LOL

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It isn't hard to deal with a bitch. Management during heats is quite easy - keep them in the house. If they're in the yard, you're basically on top of them, then they come back inside with you...and check the yard before they go out.

Other than that, it's just the chore of putting new pads in their pants.

Having an intact male with an intact bitch in heat...treat it like same sex aggression. Rotate who is out, and keep a closed door between them at all times. I'd worry more about he dog's whining during standing heat.

There is a recent movement with vets who know their stuff regarding spay times. Our vet encouraged waiting until Ripley was at least 4 years old, and we did. Her demeanor didn't change and she didn't put on weight like so many bitches spayed young seem to do.

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@ falnfenix...

Great info. Especially about a middle aged spay.

It is kind of odd that I would worry more about an intact male and female as opposed to another 2 male Doberman household. But again... I guess it is what one is familiar with. I am completely aware of what dealing with a multiple male home involves. Been there and done that many times. And while I would never recommend it to the average owner, I am comfortable with it.

I am sure that my next pup will be a bitch. And... It will probably drive me nuts!

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