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Looking for a new top of the line best friend.

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Hope yall doing all right. I wanted your general opinions about a dobbie topic. (without mean and useless comments please)

I always dreamed of adopting a Doberman pincher. In a few weeks, I might finally have the financial opportunity to do it. And since when I do something, I like to do it big, I decided that I wanted to adopt a top of the line Euro dobb puppy. I would like him to have a good and sweet temperament, the best possible health on the market, to be physically huge too and of course descent from top of the line champions. As I said, I don't care how much will I have to pay for him. (as long as it don't exceed 7000$ because there will already be a plane ticket on top of that).

At first thought, I would like to get it from Germany since the breed come from there and I would like to visit that country also (I'm a big fan of Bayern and Dortmund fc ) but I don't care if I have to get it from another reputable European breeder.

Unfortunately, I don't know much about whose the top breeders in Europe. But I really want in my future a Huge, Sweet, and Healthy son of a champion.

I already can't wait to spoil him

Thank you all for your respectful and helpful future comments.

Btw I'm in Montreal Canada, if there is in this forum any Doberman owners in my city Please inbox me. I would love to know and meet other Doberman owners in my city(I speak french too)
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....I like to do it big, I decided that I wanted to adopt a top of the line Euro dobb puppy. I would like him to have a good and sweet temperament, the best possible health on the market, to be physically huge too and of course descent from top of the line champions.
Top of the line....Good and sweet temperament...yes. Best possible health on the market...yes. Descent from top of the line champions...yes. I compliment and commend you on your desire to look for these qualities.

But "physically huge"...well, no. Dobes are supposed to be medium size dogs.

Males can run up to about 90 pounds (if not fat) and 28” at the shoulder--maybe a bit heavier., maybe a bit taller--but that weight and height is a bit smaller than most folks mean when they say “huge” The other three qualities you want don’t come with "physically huge" (unless your definition is different from mine).

I’m not intending this as a nasty statement--just the reality of what a well bred dobe should look like anywhere.
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I'm thinking that you believe European Dobermans to be a lot bigger than American Dobermans, but the only difference between the two is, Euro's are bulkier and have a slightly different head structure. In the end, however, both European and American Dobermans are bred to be Medium sized canines.
You'll find Dobermans that will get huge, as they are apparently referred to as 'Warlocks', but any high end breeder who bred their Dobermans from a champion blood line are going to try and keep their dogs medium standard.
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Hi & welcome from England.

Doberman's are medium sized dogs, my Euro boy weighs in around 80lbs.

If you want a huge dog then get a Great Dane or a St Bernard.

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Hello and welcome to the forums! You are definitely on the right track, and it is very commendable you are planning on buying the best dog you can. However as others have said, the best of the best are not going to be monstrous as Dobermans are simply not bred to be that way. There are a number of truly giant breeds that may better suit your expectations if size is paramount.

That being said a 80-90 lbs dog is nothing to scoff at. Particularly Dobermans. IMO the way they present themselves lends an aura that they are larger than life, and most certainly a prominent presence.
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Welcome to DT.

As others have said, there really isn't that much size difference between European and North/South American Dobermans. The following are excerpts from the FCI and AKC standards.

FCI: SIZE AND WEIGHT :
Height at withers : Males : 68 – 72 cm. (26.77 – 28.35 in.)
Bitches : 63 – 68 cm. (24.80 – 26.77 in.)
Medium size desirable.
Weight : Males : about 40 – 45 kg. (88.18 – 99.21 lb.)
Bitches : about 32 – 35 kg. (70.55 – 77.16 lb.)

AKC: Height at the withers: Dogs 26 to 28 inches, ideal about 27 1/2 inches; Bitches 24 to 26 inches, ideal about 25 1/2 inches. The height, measured vertically from the ground to the highest point of the withers, equaling the length measured horizontally from the forechest to the rear projection of the upper thigh. Length of head, neck and legs in proportion to length and depth of body.

One reason a lot of European show dogs look so big is that they shown several pounds over their ideal weight.

If you are interested in a Euro line dog, your best bet would be to contact breeders on the United Doberman Club's breeder list. A lot of them have incorporated Euro dogs into their breeding programs. UDC Breeder Directory
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Thank you all very much for your kind comments everyone. Especially you Rosemary for your great link. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding btw, 90lbs is Huge for me. Hahah. I was not looking into warlocks. I was seeking a true European dobe, because I'm really seduced by the their bigger chest jaw and paws. And since I always wanted to go visit a nice European country, I though this might be the perfect opportunity.

I red on this forum that there was a guy here by the name of Iceman that had a very nice list of the top notch breeders in Europe. But I never could find him. Btw, if anybody knows him, please tell him that I would love the see that list. Anyway I hope there will be even more comments and suggestions on this thread.

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Iceman pops in fairly often. Why don’t you try sending him a PM? Click on your UserCP (top right of page), scan down to PMs and click on "send new message". Put in his user name, and a title, and type away. Then click on “submit message” at the bottom and away it will go.

Or go to google and type in dobermantalk iceman european and it’ll pull up a number of threads he’s contributed to.
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Since you are a novice, you need to establish a relationship with a quality breeder that is local to you instead of going to Europe. Most serious breeders are not that crazy about selling their best puppies to a novice stranger that they know nothing about and lives 5000 miles away. A local breeder is much better at giving you support after the sale. Most of the ones that ship puppies from Europe or will sell to novice strangers raise a lot of litters and must sell them to anyone to keep them all sold.

Buyer beware!

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I should have added this to my above post, but I was concerned with the mechanics of contacting someone and not the topic of the subject being discussed.

So I will add here:

Wiith any breeder or contributor here--do your research. From all sides of any question. There are lots of opinions here, but also lots of differences in experience, knowledge and credibility. The more you look into this particular issue (and others), the more you’ll find out about the breed and be able to decide what you need in a doberman or even whether a dobe fits you at all.

But this forum is a great place to come for information. There’s not as much hype here as there is with folks trying to make a quick buck selling their particular version of doberman.

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Thank you very much for this wise tip. Never thought about it through that angle.
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Since you are a novice, you need to establish a relationship with a quality breeder that is local to you instead of going to Europe. Most serious breeders are not that crazy about selling their best puppies to a novice stranger that they know nothing about and lives 5000 miles away. A local breeder is much better at giving you support after the sale. Most of the ones that ship puppies from Europe or will sell to novice strangers raise a lot of litters and must sell them to anyone to keep them all sold.

Buyer beware!
I need to agree with Kansadobe who has been breeding high quality Dobermans for many years.

Canada has some excellent breeders so does the USA--finding a breeder reasonably near you is a much better idea than trying to find a European breeder of quality dogs who will sell to you.

Good luck...and ditto on the "buyer beware!"
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Gatehouse Dobermans | Dobermans, Canada

this kennel has some nice dogs, and the owners are delightful people to talk to.

https://www.wrathliberator.com/

I've never talked to these folks, but my understanding is they're well thought of in the Doberman world, and they too have some lovely dogs.

A couple of closer to home links to get you started<G>

I THINK v Bayern is focused heavily on working dogs, which can be a LOT of dog for anyone, much less someone unfamilar with the breed, or other breeds with similar drives and needs, so that may be something to really think about when you're looking. It's not all about looks, it's a LOT about temperament and character. Typical working bred dogs are not real good at laying around the house being sweet<G> If you can find someone local who has working imports, it might be a great idea to actually talk to them about pros and cons of working bred dogs. They can be a handful, especially if you're not prepared for what you're getting<G>

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It's so great to see someone doing the research before they get a puppy!! Congratulations on doing that!

I strongly recommend that you follow through with your smart idea to meet owners of Dobermans in your area and that you spent some time talking to them about the general Doberman personality and energy level.

Have you ever had a 75-90 pound, very physically strong, highly intelligent, busy/boisterous/ACTIVE dog before? Are you prepared for the very significant exercise requirements and general space that a dog like this needs? Do you know that Dobermans need a ton of time commitment for socialization as they are growing up to make sure that they end up as balanced adults, temperamentally speaking? Do you know that this breed requires a lot of training and interaction because of their very intelligent active minds? Do you know that Dobermans were bred as a protection breed and those breed characteristics are still very strong so they need good consistent time/effort (and money!!) spent on training to shape their natural guarding instincts appropriately?

Just some very important considerations that should be on the top of the list when you are thinking about possibly getting a puppy love this breed. I don't think hardly anyone on this forum would say that they are easy to raise – LOL!

Please please please take a lot of time to read many threads on the puppy forum BEFORE you start thinking about using a breeder! This is about way more than the money required to buy a quality puppy from a reputable breeder. I also strongly urge you to be careful about your desire for the more European style conformation if that leads you to a working Doberman breeder, especially if you are a first time dog owner - it's not for the faint of heart because those dogs seriously seriously seriously need a job!

In every litter there are temperament differences among the puppies and a reputable breeder can select a puppy for you that best meets the lifestyle you plan to live with your dog, but all Doberman puppies are a HUGE commitment, and I firmly believe it is a way bigger commitment than many other breeds require, having had lots of different breeds of dogs in my life.

Keep reading and keep researching! You'll always be glad you did this step thoroughly!

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I got my puppy Apollo expecting him to be like my German Shepards, only "better". But he's totally different. Besides having 10x the energy, he needs constant attention, always has to be touching someone / involved with what we're doing etc. I love it but it was totally different than expected. We also joke that he has more energy than the 4 people living here put together, and I'm a triathlete.

I had the same mindset of wanting the top of the line dog, but you should look at your lifestyle and what fits you best to decide what top of the line is for you. You can get a Ferrari, but you might be better off with an Escalade, both are still top of the line. It's cool to have a dog with a reputation for being fearless and tough, but you'll find that's only 5% of it, the other 95% of the time you'll spend taking care of the biggest baby ever.

It's definitely an awesome breed, just spend some time with other owners or maybe try fostering for a shelter for 4-6 months to be sure what you're expecting lines up with what you want and what fits you.
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