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Nostalgic person seeking Doberman!

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I am joining this forum in hopes that I can learn and absorb more information about this magnificent breed before moving forward with adding a new member of my family near the end of this year. I had a red Dobe growing up (Thor) who would walk me to school and back, just an incredible dog who died too young (cancer ).

I live in a decently sized home in northern California surrounded by parks and with a fenced back yard.

My wife and I work opposite shifts so in theory our prospective puppy will never be left alone for any period longer than 15-20 mins.

We are both fully aware of the commitment and time/training a fresh dobe will require. I am very into training my animals and have SUCCESSFULLY trained my cats to use the human toilet (very proud of them!).

That being said, I am a bit frustrated at the process involved with acquiring one of these amazing dogs. I have called and emailed every DPCA member in my proximity and recieved perhaps a few responses at most. The puppy referral Marj Brooks refuses to return my calls and the big names up here dont seem to have any plans to breed at all this year. It seems I am destined to play the waiting game, but thats fine with me. I had a Dobe growing up that I adored and lost to cancer - getting another Thor will be worth the wait im sure.

Heres a pic of my cat using the toilet about a month before he graduated to the real deal human toilet seat. A reward for if you actually read the short novel I just wrote.



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Welcome to DT. Look up infodog and see if there's a doberman specialty in your area any time soon. You may also have luck with the doberman breeders facebook page- sorry I do not have the link for you but hopefully another DT member that does will chime in.
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Here's the link to the Doberman Pinscher Breeder Listing Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/323279287742250/

I'm not sure if you'd be willing to take on a pup so soon, but a breeder in NorCal just posted on there around 5 am EST saying they have a litter on the ground that will be ready to go home in Mid-April (currently 7 weeks old). They look like some beautiful pups. You'll have to be approved to join the group by another member, but it usually doesn't take too long. Good luck in your pup search, and welcome to DT!
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Welcome!

Patience is definitely a virtue and taking the time to make sure you find a breeder you "click" with is good. It sounds like you are on the right track with looking at DPCA breeders as a first start. The first thing to know is that breeders can be VERY busy, between their dogs, showing, "real" jobs, etc. Take the time to write up a "resume" of sorts...when you email to inquire about their breeding plans, introduce yourself with a longer email of why you are interested in them and their dogs, what you are looking for in a Doberman, some background, etc. What you want to avoid is the short email that says something like, "when are you having puppies and how much?" (I'm not suggesting you are doing that, but a lot of breeders get a TON of those types of inquiries, and it's easy to ignore them as they don't seem very serious). You may want to indicate that you'll follow up with a phone call in a couple of weeks to see what their plans are, and then do so. Some people are much better at phone calls than they are at emails. A lot of breeders are very put off by discussing anything to do with money until much later in the process, so that's often something to avoid.

The DPCA Breeder listings group on Facebook is another great resource, as someone mentioned: https://www.facebook.com/groups/323279287742250/. You need to request to join.

I would also suggest that you may want to expand your search - sometimes the best "match" for you isn't nearby. Neither of my dogs is from anywhere near me. My boy is from Canada (we took a road trip) and my girl is from Texas (she flew up to me and it was easy peasy - she did great with the flight). I'd be open to the right breeder anywhere, to be honest.

Finally, on a last note, you mentioned not leaving your pup alone too long...while it's *awesome* you have that amount of flexibility, I do want to make sure you plan to leave your puppy alone on a regular basis, or you could end up with serious separation anxiety issues. I see too many people that don't leave dogs alone enough when they are young and they have real problems being alone. I leave pups alone from the time I bring them home, at least a couple of times a week for a few hours at a time, even if I don't HAVE to, so they get used to being home alone.


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Welcome to the forums! You are definitely in the right place when it comes to knowledge and friendly people. I love that you trained your cats to use the toilet - thats awesome. Some others have given you pointers concerning breeders, but also know there are many wonderful dogs needing homes in rescues as well.
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Here's the link to the Doberman Pinscher Breeder Listing Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/323279287742250/

I'm not sure if you'd be willing to take on a pup so soon, but a breeder in NorCal just posted on there around 5 am EST saying they have a litter on the ground that will be ready to go home in Mid-April (currently 7 weeks old). They look like some beautiful pups. You'll have to be approved to join the group by another member, but it usually doesn't take too long. Good luck in your pup search, and welcome to DT!
Thanks for the resource! I have qued up to join that group.

Really appreciate the heads up on the recent litter too! It is indeed too early for me though. I am building more high ground locations for my cats to have before welcoming a dog into my home. Its very important to me that the cats feel comfortable but I do appreciate you giving me the heads up!
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Welcome!

Patience is definitely a virtue and taking the time to make sure you find a breeder you "click" with is good. It sounds like you are on the right track with looking at DPCA breeders as a first start. The first thing to know is that breeders can be VERY busy, between their dogs, showing, "real" jobs, etc. Take the time to write up a "resume" of sorts...when you email to inquire about their breeding plans, introduce yourself with a longer email of why you are interested in them and their dogs, what you are looking for in a Doberman, some background, etc. What you want to avoid is the short email that says something like, "when are you having puppies and how much?" (I'm not suggesting you are doing that, but a lot of breeders get a TON of those types of inquiries, and it's easy to ignore them as they don't seem very serious). You may want to indicate that you'll follow up with a phone call in a couple of weeks to see what their plans are, and then do so. Some people are much better at phone calls than they are at emails. A lot of breeders are very put off by discussing anything to do with money until much later in the process, so that's often something to avoid.

The DPCA Breeder listings group on Facebook is another great resource, as someone mentioned: https://www.facebook.com/groups/323279287742250/. You need to request to join.

I would also suggest that you may want to expand your search - sometimes the best "match" for you isn't nearby. Neither of my dogs is from anywhere near me. My boy is from Canada (we took a road trip) and my girl is from Texas (she flew up to me and it was easy peasy - she did great with the flight). I'd be open to the right breeder anywhere, to be honest.

Finally, on a last note, you mentioned not leaving your pup alone too long...while it's *awesome* you have that amount of flexibility, I do want to make sure you plan to leave your puppy alone on a regular basis, or you could end up with serious separation anxiety issues. I see too many people that don't leave dogs alone enough when they are young and they have real problems being alone. I leave pups alone from the time I bring them home, at least a couple of times a week for a few hours at a time, even if I don't HAVE to, so they get used to being home alone.
Thanks for taking the time to reply- Here is the Template letter I send out to prospective breeders:

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Hello,

I am interested in learning more about Doberman adoption with the goal of moving forward with a new family member by the end of this year.

A couple things about my family:
For now its just me, my wife, and our two cats + roomates. In the next few years we plan on having children and kicking the roomates out.
We live in an 1800 sq ft home with a large fenced in backyard - several parks nearby.
I am very into training my animals. My cats sit/lay/come when called and use a regular human toilet - no litter box whatsoever.
I work full-time 6am-2pm, my wife works part time from 3pm-11pm. Our schedules mean the dog would rarely be left alone if ever.

I grew up with nothing but large sized dogs - in particular I have fond memories of my doberman "Thor" who would walk me to and from school everyday.

We would be looking for a rust colored doby (like thor) with a mild temperament - My personal priority would be compatibility with our cats. Our cats have plenty of exposure to dogs and we made sure they got in quality time with them as kittens, however they have never lived with one.

Again our target adoption date would be in the last quarter of this year. I want to set up more high ground locations for our cats to feel confident before welcoming a dog to our home.

Thank you for your time,

Brandon,
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I tried my best to not be pushy and sound like someone who is very serious about taking on the responsibility of a pup/not opening up with a price discussion.

Also thank you for reminding me of separation anxiety, I had forgotten to incorporate some alone time into our planned daily routine. I will be sure to do that!
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Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to reply and share a tip.

Ill admit I was fearful to post here... this forum has a bit of a reputation for being.. not so friendly at times.

Im happy to say my fears were unfounded. You all appear to be a great bunch! I hope in time I can become a contributor as well. I did leave a scathing remark in a breeder thread that I now regret saying. Is there any way I can go back and delete my first post?

Thanks again! Heres a bonus pic of our other cat in training (notice the thumbs, he is called a pterodactyl)

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There is a Doberman specialty in May in Vallejo. Here is the InfoDog page.

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I would expect a lot of breeders to be there all weekend.


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Welcome to Doberman Talk (DT) from San Antonio, TX!
Sorry to hear you lost your first Dobe, Thor, so young.
The previous posters have given you some good advice and info links.

When you do get your new Doberman, we're looking forward to plenty of posted pictures, especially ones of he/she using the toilet, like your cats!


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One thing I would consider is changing your language a bit...sometimes using the phrase "adoption" when buying from a breeder can be a bit taboo, because you aren't adopting, you are purchasing. And there's NOTHING wrong with that. There's a lot of shaming now for buying dogs from breeders, but as long as you purchase from ethical breeders (and not backyard breeders), it's a good, responsible choice! But some breeders can chafe a bit at the phrase "adoption."

If Thor was a red and rust Doberman, you may also just change that - Dobermans come in four allowable colors - black, red, blue and fawn. So using the term "rust" for him may throw a few people off as well. These are little nitpicky things but can make a difference in how you talk to breeders - just using correct breed terminology can help.

I definitely support going to a show and meeting people in person! Sit and watch the dogs show and then approach people after (when they aren't stressed ) Let them know you are starting your search for a breeder and that you'd love to hear about their dog. People love to talk about their dogs
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Brandicus, Have you contacted Eve Auch of Irongate Dobermans? You can find her listing on DPCA breeders list. She is located in Truckee, Ca. She does not have a web site, nor is she on Facebook. But her contact information is listed on the Doberman site.
She is available most of the time to talk by phone.

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Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to reply and share a tip.

Ill admit I was fearful to post here... this forum has a bit of a reputation for being.. not so friendly at times.

Im happy to say my fears were unfounded. You all appear to be a great bunch! I hope in time I can become a contributor as well. I did leave a scathing remark in a breeder thread that I now regret saying. Is there any way I can go back and delete my first post......
Unfortunately, you can only edit your post for about 20 minutes after you post it and then it’s up there forever. We don’t delete posts.

But you can go back in and make another post on that same thread if you want to correct something you said.

I read back over the thread you posted on...yes there are some comments made toward the end of the thread that are negative in tone...but you have to understand where these posters are coming from.

We are very concerned for the future health and well being of the doberman breed. Dobermans have enough health problems as it is and have a bad (generally unearned) reputation for temperament problems. We don’t want any more of that!

There are a lot of disreputable breeders out there who are just making puppies for the $$$ and who don’t seem to care?........well, at any rate, don’t research, title or do enough health testing on the parents to make sure they are healthy and worthy of being bred.

Some of these breeders have really perfected a good sales spiel and sound wonderful to folks just starting out with their dream doberman. New puppy owners spend a lot of money, add a lot of love, and end up with heartbreak. They get burned...badly. We hear their sad stories all the time; it’s tough not to show our frustration, and yes, anger about these breeders sometimes.
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Brandicus, Have you contacted Eve Auch of Irongate Dobermans? You can find her listing on DPCA breeders list. She is located in Truckee, Ca. She does not have a web site, nor is she on Facebook. But her contact information is listed on the Doberman site.
She is available most of the time to talk by phone.
Yes I contacted her through DPCA, she is expecting a litter this fall but eluded to having a lengthy waiting list for males.

I am currently in a conversation with Gerrie from Shal Mar Dobermans in Stockton. Aside from one thread on here that got rather derailed she seems to pass the rather stringent DT reqs and has been a member of the Doberman community for almost 50 years. She only breeds once a year (has bred some show champions) and says she does all of the major health testing. On top of all of that her pricing is super competitive. I look forward to meeting her and reviewing all of her relevant documentation.

Here are some pics of baby Thor. Im trying to dig up some ones that feature childhood me as well.



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Oh must goodness... Thor certainly is adorable! I am not sure where this forum received a reputation as being nasty, I've found everyone to be so friendly and down to earth. I've been a member of many different forums for a number of interests and this one is my favorite. People are passionate about the breed and the well being of it, no doubt. I used to frequent a GSD forum and since quit due to the overwhelming intolerance of other breeds; none of that here we love dogs of all kinds!

You are taking a methodical approach to ththe acquisition of your pup and that is commendable. Good for you, and know we will be here for you every step of the way .
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