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Looking for a good natured healthy puppy:)

Hi there I'm new to the forum
[littlecalirose] Ive been researching dobermans and looking for a good breeder, I have a 3 year old and a small dog at home I've been seriously considering a female from doberland.com in Bulivar MO?
so far Ive been impressed by what I see but does anyone else know from expereince?

Ive been reading all the threads and so far there has not been much help on where to get one just a bunch of don't go here or there, I'm needing one for a family pet and deterrent, not going to breed or show. So far the pups on this site look very healthy compared to ever other pup Ive looked into as long as the site is legit anyone know?? Thank you so much!
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I think you got some great advise in your other posted thread re: the same topic/question. Unless I missed it, I do not see any mention on their site of any health testing prior to breeding.



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The page just looks like a puppy broker to me. They advertise pups of all breeds, for every budget
Just looking at a picture on the internet and thinking the dog "looks healthy" is not nearly enough.
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I actually spoke to the breeder, she knew what she was talking about and didn't have any red flags like the rest I spoke with, this is ridiculously hard. I'm in the Tulsa area and trust me so far its a bunch of rednecks claiming warlock and sick looking puppies. Those few good breeders either no longer breed or wont have any for at least a year, I'm so frustrated , researched for hours and interviewed so many vets and owners. I'm STUCK when I talked to the breeder she said they do DNA testing and I could see on the paperwork isn't that what I look for or what else? Thank you you guys have been helpful. as far as the other threads I have no idea what their lingo is, I have always owned dogs but never shown dogs, my dogs are my life, ive rescued several but this would be my first bought from a breeder

I'm brand new and never used a forum before so I'm still trying to navigate sorry guys. I'm very grateful to be surrounded by such great knowledge

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You should reach out to MillerDobes on here to see if they know of anyone expecting puppies in that area. I believe she is also in Tulsa. Even if she cant give you a specific breeder name, she may be able to help you learn about Dobermans and the health issues/ testing involved.

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U need to find a reputable breeder or just rescue again. Don't spend money from a breeder like this. Puppies from places like this are the ones that end up in rescue. There is only so much testing that can be checked by DNA. They need OFA hips, holter and echo for heart and a thyroid test.
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Here is the DPCA link on health. Lots of good info here DPCA | The Doberman | Health
Yes! Thank you I did that right off from what I learned on this forum and there are only dead ends so far SHe no longer breeds and the names she gave me were really far away and like a year out for puppies or no longer breeding as well
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Yes! Thank you I did that right off from what I learned on this forum and there are only dead ends so far SHe no longer breeds and the names she gave me were really far away and like a year out for puppies or no longer breeding as well
I think this is fairly typical. Sometimes people wait a long time for a good puppy. A reputable breeder that is far away, but is willing to ship a puppy, is an option. This type of breeder chooses the best pup for you based on what you are looking for. If all the health testing is done, and the breeder has a good reputation for longevity and temperament, then there is no guesswork involved.

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Sometimes you have to wait for a puppy from a good breeder. If you don't mind a day's drive, look at breeders in Texas. Touchstone, Rhapsody, O's Sunking, Sunburg, Van Orman, and Horizon are all in Texas, and only a 12-20ish hour drive from Tulsa. Old Drum is in Missouri, which is also a very short drive. Kansa is in Kansas, also less than a day's drive. All of them are worth contacting. And by contacting, I mean telling them about yourself, and what your plans are for the pup. Just a "Hi, do you have puppies, and how much are they" is a surefire way to not get an answer.

Your other option is to get another rescue. If you want a puppy, you need to get approved, and ask to be put on the puppy list. Lots of times, puppies never even get put on a rescue's website, due to a waiting list for them.


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Working really hard to find a reputable breeder, don't want to rescue this time around with wanting a Doberman and have a small child, any more advice on where I can get a healthy puppy with a good temperament? Ive really liked the European lines from the research Ive done do you agree?
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Looking for a good natured healthy puppy:)

Good European lines are hard to find in the USA. And those are considered working lines, so the dogs need a job, much more so than the American line Dobermans.

The breeders Rosemary mentioned are a good place to start. You may need to wait for the right puppy from a reputable breeder.


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Any breeder that says they've never had heart problems (DCM) in their dogs is lying. The genetic test that they might be talking about with you is only one small part of the whole - being negative on the gene doesn't really mean much, at this point. Many dogs test negative for the gene and still develop and die from DCM.

It can take a while to get a puppy from a good breeder, but it's very worth it. Our first girl was from a not-so-great breeder and, while I love her very much, she's also brought a lot of heartache with her temperament and health issues. My boy from a good breeder is much, much different.

Like Rosemary said, I would also expand your search area. Some breeders are willing to ship a puppy, or a road trip might work for you. I did an overnight road trip to get my boy and it was well worth it.


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Don't know enough about Euro Dobes to answer. I only know american breeders.

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Working really hard to find a reputable breeder, don't want to rescue this time around with wanting a Doberman and have a small child, any more advice on where I can get a healthy puppy with a good temperament? Ive really liked the European lines from the research Ive done do you agree?
I don't think there is any basis to believe that European lines have better temperaments than N/A lines. Good breeders will breed for temperament.
Another misconception is that puppies are best with young children. Puppies are mouthy and nippy, and young Dobes are notoriously rambunctious. I would (and did) choose an adult over a puppy with young children in the house.
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I think this is fairly typical. Sometimes people wait a long time for a good puppy. A reputable breeder that is far away, but is willing to ship a puppy, is an option. This type of breeder chooses the best pup for you based on what you are looking for. If all the health testing is done, and the breeder has a good reputation for longevity and temperament, then there is no guesswork involved.
I agree, If I can get a reputable breeder from you guys I will go with them, that has just been the hard part, I work with kids part time have a great back yard and a small child, she calls my small dog I have now her brother if that tells ya anything lol I'm a runner and want a running partner which my little dog is not built for and also have some new neighbors in my nice neighborhood who are not so nice, I was directed to the Doberman by my vet and since researched them for hours and hours and have fallin in love. any other pros and cons about your Doberman you could share? Ive owned labs and goldens before and now have a stubborn Lhasa apso but he loves other dogs and children. I go for the snuggly loving dogs and Ive heard the Doberman is quite the lover even though stubborn , I'm used to that with my lhasa
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You say you want to run with your doberman. Be aware that a puppy will not be able to do any running for a while, not until 18 months when the growth plates close.




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I had a Lhasa Apso growing up too
Dobe pups can't run with you until they are fully mature, so keep that in mind as well. If you have to wait on a good puppy, and then wait until he/she grows up, you may be waiting a few years for your running buddy.
Sounds like I am pushing the rescue route, but really it's only because I would never in a million years take on a Dobe puppy with kids in the house. Some people do it.
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Hi Cali are which of these dobes are you considering, just curious
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WHOA! R U overwhelmed yet Cali? First off you say you work with kids, if that is in your home think twice, dobes r great dogs and I raised them with my kids with no issues but if you are providing childcare in your home other parents might not be so fond of the idea, also check your homeowners policy better yet call the company, most list dobermans on their no-no list and may drop your coverage. Do NOT get a rescue when you have a baby in the house, that sounds terrible I know but you have no idea how this large dog will react to every situation and most reputable doberman rescues would not place a dobe in a home with little ones anyway. Its not like you are looking for a show dog, just a companion. Oh by the way Hi everybody, new here love dobes, love new dobe owners and love those interested in dobes!
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WHOA! R U overwhelmed yet Cali? First off you say you work with kids, if that is in your home think twice, dobes r great dogs and I raised them with my kids with no issues but if you are providing childcare in your home other parents might not be so fond of the idea, also check your homeowners policy better yet call the company, most list dobermans on their no-no list and may drop your coverage. Do NOT get a rescue when you have a baby in the house, that sounds terrible I know but you have no idea how this large dog will react to every situation and most reputable doberman rescues would not place a dobe in a home with little ones anyway. Its not like you are looking for a show dog, just a companion. Oh by the way Hi everybody, new here love dobes, love new dobe owners and love those interested in dobes!
Haha yes I'm overwhelmed trying to find a dobe lol, No I don't do childcare out of my home, I'm a kids fit director for a school, only one kiddo at my house and she is 3 and a half going on 30 lol and no I would never push a puppy to run with me, lol tried to simply take my Lhasa on a walk and ended up carrying him haha
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Hi Cali are which of these dobes are you considering, just curious
Which dobe? I'm looking for a puppy, haven't found a good breeder yet, hoping to buy one that is like 11 weeks or so that has already started crate training and such any recommendations ? I have contacted bazilions of vets and breeders lol picking their brains
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I had a Lhasa Apso growing up too
Dobe pups can't run with you until they are fully mature, so keep that in mind as well. If you have to wait on a good puppy, and then wait until he/she grows up, you may be waiting a few years for your running buddy.
Sounds like I am pushing the rescue route, but really it's only because I would never in a million years take on a Dobe puppy with kids in the house. Some people do it.
Sounds like you have a great home and family
AW cool most people don't know what a Lhasa is or if they do they shudder lol
Can I ask why you wouldn't do a dobe ? I'm all about learning as many details and being as prepared as possible. Ive been interested in the breed because of them being lovers but protective, I'm a single parent and would like to have a loving in door guard dog , I have some crazy teens next door despite all the HOA fees and nice neighborhood so frustrating! Anyway would like to weigh it all out so any help would be wonderful
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Doberman puppies are hard - harder than you think. Exhausting. And they take a long time to mature. My boy is 18 months old and some days I want to just strangle him They take a lot of work.
Ive raised a golden puppy which was fairly easy and unlike a dobe, but also a Lhasa puppy, I can't imagine anything being more stubborn than him if that's what u mean please elaborate, my Lhasa is now 7 and just now really potty trained and chewed furniture shoes toys and tons of diapers trash and tons of expensive underwear was his favorite ugh lol
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