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it's not possible to get a well bred dobe for $1k. your best bet is rescue. you can find puppies in rescue.

and if you end up going through a backyard breeder (someone who didn't title or do full health tests on the parent dogs before breeding), you may very well end up with a dog that costs you thousands in vet bills before dying prematurely...and you won't have the breeder standing with you through the whole process. speaking from the POV of someone who lost her dobe prematurely, having a breeder standing behind her dog and doing what she can for you when he's sick is a godsend.
Who did u chose to use this time? I'm so sorry for your loss
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same breeder. our boy had a birth defect that essentially guaranteed he wouldn't survive beyond a couple of years. he ended up in kidney failure prematurely. our breeder took care of us, however, and we currently have the pick of her most recent litter being her diva self.

this is the difference between a good breeder and a crap one. a crap breeder wouldn't have done anything for us. they wouldn't have refunded us when he passed away, and they wouldn't have kept in touch for months afterward.

our breeder is DenMar in Pennsylvania. her most recent litter was co-bred with Fitzmar, who is a member here.
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I first looked into a rescue but after talking to some good breeders, vets and owners Ive decided my child is worth going though the puppy phase and rescuing can be done when she is older. WHile its awesome that its cheaper and they are further along in training, I'm just not willing to take the risk, but thank u I agree that rescuing is important as all the rest of my pets were rescued over the years.
Frankly, a kid-tested, bomb-proof adult would be a probably be better than an non-housebroken, untrained, active puppy. Just because a dog is in rescue does NOT mean it is "broken". And raising a dog from puppyhood does not always mean they will turn out how you expect.


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same breeder. our boy had a birth defect that essentially guaranteed he wouldn't survive beyond a couple of years. he ended up in kidney failure prematurely. our breeder took care of us, however, and we currently have the pick of her most recent litter being her diva self.

this is the difference between a good breeder and a crap one. a crap breeder wouldn't have done anything for us. they wouldn't have refunded us when he passed away, and they wouldn't have kept in touch for months afterward.

our breeder is DenMar in Pennsylvania. her most recent litter was co-bred with Fitzmar, who is a member here.
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Frankly, a kid-tested, bomb-proof adult would be a probably be better than an non-housebroken, untrained, active puppy. Just because a dog is in rescue does NOT mean it is "broken". And raising a dog from puppyhood does not always mean they will turn out how you expect.
I understand like I had said earlier I have rescued many but I have also had no luck with the rescues over the past few months so a puppy is what I have been leaning toward. I appreciate your thoughts
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Good temperament and health are usually associated with reputable breeding practices, which include thorough health testing of the breeding stock, breeding to standard, getting the breeding stock evaluated towards conformation and/ or working titles. It also includes fully evaluating the placement of each pup, making sure that the home situation matches closely with each puppy's temperament potential. It includes lifetime support of the owners of the puppies. For dobermans, this means that pet puppies from reputable breeders are priced usually from $1500 - $2500, because doing all the things I mentioned above is very costly.

I don't think anyone here is trying to be negative. What everyone is giving here is very realistic advice. What may be a lower price for a puppy from bad breeding practices often translates into more money in vet care, due to health issues or expenses towards specialized training needs, for a pup that is not a good match to your situation. I know this from personal experience.
Thank u this is very helpful And that is what I was wondering, I can do $1500 range it was the $2000 and up that was unrealistic for me. At least I can check puppies under these ranges off my list and know more what to look at. thank u for your help
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Thank u this is very helpful And that is what I was wondering, I can do $1500 range it was the $2000 and up that was unrealistic for me. At least I can check puppies under these ranges off my list and know more what to look at. thank u for your help
Just make sure you are also prepared for all the other puppy expenses...sometimes if that initial purchase cost is tight it will be very hard to afford the other stuff. I've found that vet bills tend to be pretty high with Doberman pups. I'd encourage you to look into insurance.

You might also consider socking money away for a year into a dog fund, both to help make the puppy price more affordable and to have some cushion in case you end up with unexpected costs.


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Just make sure you are also prepared for all the other puppy expenses...sometimes if that initial purchase cost is tight it will be very hard to afford the other stuff. I've found that vet bills tend to be pretty high with Doberman pups. I'd encourage you to look into insurance.

You might also consider socking money away for a year into a dog fund, both to help make the puppy price more affordable and to have some cushion in case you end up with unexpected costs.
Yes that is how I do things, cant be to prepared, I just couldn't swing 2000 or more and be able to take care of the rest ya Know? I'm sticking to my budget
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Hiya,

I want to give a little bit of a different perspective if I can.

I was a single mom with a little girl who wanted a puppy for MANY years. She was 4 when she started to ask for one, but I felt she needed to be older to understand the responsibility, so it was decided we would wait till she was 10.

Well about 6 months shy of her 10th b-day, I decided I needed a puppy NOW! I will go into details if you want, but I did the worse thing possible and looked on Kijiji for a puppy. We found one from a litter that was rescued from a BYB, backyard breeder, and the price point $650, was in our budget, so we jumped on the chance.

We picked up our little guy and have no idea about the health of the parents. The more I read about the health problems of these guys, the more I live in fear of my boy developing a serious disease or just dropping dead one day.

As well, my daughter was in tears more than once when our young pup would bite, or jump or do other annoying puppy things to her. Literally crying because the "Puppy didn't like her."

As well, my boy is cryptorchid (sp?), meaning only one of his testicles have descended, which is going to bring his neutering costs up to about $800.

You're talking about budget now, but getting a poorly bred dog, you are setting yourself up for more money down the road.

We've had our boy almost a year now, and even though I wouldn't trade him for the world, I would love to have found this community beforehand for the excellent advice they give.

I get having your daughter grow up with the puppy, but really at 3 yo, she won't remember much of it, and she will be much more hands-off than hand-on in the rearing.

You don't want to get a $1000 dog and be spending thousands more down the road because they are unhealthy. Saving up for a well bred dog, whose parents have the right health testing will save you $$$ down the road.

I hope this post will help you, because I see sooo much of my situation in what you are bringing up.

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ElisaB, thanks for sharing your story.
littlecalirose, there are a lot of opinions out there, and remember, the breeders you are speaking to have an agenda, whether they admit it or not....they have a "product" to sell.
Here on DT, you have the benefit of all perspectives, from people who have been in your position and have made good choices, or regretted choices, and are willing to help steer you in the right direction.
Please don't let anyone convince you that the people here are "snobs" and only care about animals with perfect conformation etc. My situation with Roxy is almost as far from that realm as you can get, and yet, I have never felt condescended to, or any negativity at all from the majority of members here.
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Thank u so much for taking time to respond I appreciate you caring
I agree with going with a well bred dog which is why I'm taking so much time to interview, research and get opinions. I have raised puppies so I know the work involved, I used to work for a lab breeder in taking care of the puppies, as well as owning my own over the years, I know its no easy task, But being just my daughter and I, I'm also looking at safety first, I realize a Doberman doesn't mean guard dog but it is a great deterrent, one of the first things they will tell u is get a dog, so I'm researching to make sure we get the right one since it will be our family member, going with us wherever possible as well. I want to start with a puppy if I can because of the bonding that happens and while ive rescued many times ive always trusted the dogs I got as puppies way more. Dobermans don't live the longest and I want every moment possible, I get extremely attached to my dogs. Trust me Ive taken other safety measures as well but U cant be to careful anymore. HAve any of u seen the adorable u tube video of the Doberman playing with the baby and the baby laughing heretically ? if u haven't look it up u will love it! I love the personality of a good Doberman they r amazing dogs
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I shutter when I see the dogs playing with babies or riding them. It is cute but it is more about what if...........Dogs may be very stable but safety always comes first. I think you will be a great owner. Good for you for researching.
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