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jhassan98 09-03-2017 02:44 PM

Looking for Puppy as a house pet
 
Hi, I live in Minneapolis MN and am looking for a doberman puppy as a house pet. I have been searching the internet for the longest time. There are a lot sites and breeders selling puppies n prices ranging from $600 - $4000. There are AKC registred and Euro puppies available as well. How does one make sure who is reliable?

Thanks
Jim

ShelianDobe 09-04-2017 10:23 AM

Red Flags that can alert you to a less than desirable breeder, in most cases (but not always): Both Sire and Dam on premises (rarely is the best dog for a bitch in the same home), numerous litters each year (most will breed only one or two and rarely three litters a year). A breeder that tells you there is no DCM in their lines (there are no DCM free lines). A breeder that tells you that any dog is DCM clear (they can be clear of the 2 known Genes that MAY contribute to DCM), but you can ever really know if a dog is DCM clear.

Start your search with the Breeder's referral at: http://www.dpca.org

While you are there educate yourself on health issues with this breed. Contact breeders and ask questions, ask what health testing they do and be sure to see documentation of such. You want at minimum; 24-hour Holter, Echocardiogram, vWD Status, Thyroid, Liver/Kidney and Hips certified by OFA or Penn Hip.

Puppies should come with ear crops and not be sent to new homes until ears are healed and stitches have been removed. Breeder should be more than willing to show you how to post and continue to help you post throughout the process, if local. If not local, should help you find someone that can assist.

Ask about the pedigree, titles, health, longevity, etc. A reputable breeder will choose the best puppy for you taking into consideration your lifestyle, what you are looking for in a puppy and the puppy's temperament and personality. A pet puppy will be placed on limited registration.

You will be asked a lot of questions and often the breeder will have an application for you to complete.

Expect to pay between $2,000-$3,500.00 for a well bred, properly raised puppy. Much less than this you can almost bet the breeder is cutting corners somewhere. Find a breeder that you feel good about and that you connect with and then don't be surprised if you have to be placed on a waiting list.

These are just the basics and I am sure more will chime in with additional information. Thank you for asking questions before you get a puppy and good luck with your search!

jhassan98 09-04-2017 05:07 PM

Thanks for your detailed reply. As I said I live in MN, one reputable breeder I called (Rio Show Dogs) doesn't have a litter until fall next year. Could anyone recommend any good breeder in the neighboring states Wisconsin, Iowa, North Dakota, and South Dakota? Even Kansas and Illinios is doable for me. I see listing all over the place but can't tell if they are reputable or puppy mills.

Thanks in advance
Jim

ShelianDobe 09-05-2017 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jhassan98 (Post 3873817)
Thanks for your detailed reply. As I said I live in MN, one reputable breeder I called (Rio Show Dogs) doesn't have a litter until fall next year. Could anyone recommend any good breeder in the neighboring states Wisconsin, Iowa, North Dakota, and South Dakota? Even Kansas and Illinios is doable for me. I see listing all over the place but can't tell if they are reputable or puppy mills.

Thanks in advance
Jim

The information I posted previously will help you determine whether or not a breeder is reputable. Additionally, when you find a breeder you are interested in you can post their name here and receive feedback.

You can also join this Facebook group and post what you are looking for, location, etc. There are often available puppies listed here. https://www.facebook.com/groups/323279287742250/

Waiting lists are the norm with this breed. I have had people that waited 2 years for me to have a puppy for them. Other breeders will tell you the same. Every once in awhile you might get lucky and find a puppy available, but in most cases you will need to be on a waiting list.

jhassan98 09-05-2017 11:24 AM

Thanks again for your reply. I can see that I may have to be on the waiting list, but waiting for a long time is tough. I talked to a breeder who said they have used frozen sperms to breed puppies and now selling off puppies from those parents. I don't know what your thoughts are on this kind of practice? Also there are always puppies available via puppyspot site they are more expensive but there is no information about who the breeder is, they say they will let us talk to the breeder, once we have decided to buy a puppy through them. They are claim to be from champion bloodlines and look very nice.
Also, there is euro vs american discussion every time I call a breeder, Euro breeders claim their dogs are much supperior than the american, since american breeds have been diluted and mutated to fit as a house pet. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks in advance.
Jim

MeadowCat 09-05-2017 05:40 PM

I am local here in Minnesota, and would be happy to meet or talk with you. I'm a member of the local Doberman club and know a lot of local Doberman people. I am also well aware of a lot of the bad local breeders, as I also know a lot of rescue folks and am good friends with the president of the rescue, and see the results of poor breeding come through all the time. It's well worth waiting for a puppy from a good breeder.

I would be wary of anyone trying to sell you a dog by claiming their bloodlines are "superior" because American stock is watered down - that's generally a line used by people importing Dobermans from Europe and then using them as breeding machines. There are some differences between European and American Dobermans, but certainly not to the extreme that those poor quality breeders would have you believe. Additionally, there aren't nearly as many people here in the US breeding quality European lines, and importing would be more difficult for someone less established in the breed.

For someone new to the breed looking for a nice family pet you are more likely to find what you are looking for by networking with good breeders and possibly expanding your search area. There are a lot of good breeders in Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois...we have good breeders from our club in North Dakota, too. Feel free to message me. When you get in touch with breeders I would recommend letting them know that if they aren't planning a litter soon you'd love a referral to a breeder they trust who might be having one sooner.

ShelianDobe 09-05-2017 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jhassan98 (Post 3874105)
Thanks again for your reply. I can see that I may have to be on the waiting list, but waiting for a long time is tough. I talked to a breeder who said they have used frozen sperms to breed puppies and now selling off puppies from those parents. I don't know what your thoughts are on this kind of practice? Also there are always puppies available via puppyspot site they are more expensive but there is no information about who the breeder is, they say they will let us talk to the breeder, once we have decided to buy a puppy through them. They are claim to be from champion bloodlines and look very nice.
Also, there is euro vs american discussion every time I call a breeder, Euro breeders claim their dogs are much supperior than the american, since american breeds have been diluted and mutated to fit as a house pet. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks in advance.
Jim

Yes, waiting for a long time is tough, but may very well be what you need to do in order to get a well bred, well socialized, confident puppy from health tested parents and from a breeder that will support you through the difficult times. This is not an easy breed and Dobes are not easy puppies. They take a lot of time, dedication, patience and training.

There is nothing wrong with using frozen semen for a breeding, it is actually done rather frequently.

Yes there are always puppies available on Puppyspot and a number of other websites, and if you don't care about quality, temperament, health, etc. and aren't willing to take the time to research and find a truly good breeder that is probably where you will end up. These puppies are bred at and sold by puppy mills. They are very poor quality, raised in horrid, unsanitary conditions, often have temperament issues, no health testing and end up costing you 10 times what you paid for the puppy in vet bills, or you have to have the puppy put to sleep because it bit you or somebody else.

There is not a thing wrong with either Euro or American, if they are well bred, health tested, etc. Unfortunately, there are only a few truly good Euro breeders here in the US, and they generally require working homes, with a few exceptions. You can find reputable Euro breeders at http://www.uniteddobermanclub.com

As far as the euro vs american debate, it sounds like you have been talking to Euro greeders. Breeders that only care about your $$$ and don't give a hoot about the puppies. If you have the $$$ then you get a puppy. They may say thank you, send you off with your puppy, and you will never hear from them again...

...whereas, if you buy a puppy from me, or the majority of breeders on this board or either of the links I gave you; you are going to fill out a lengthy application and we are going to talk on the phone, via email, messenger and text. We will do a home check, and we will get to know you and you us. We want to set our puppies up for success in a loving, responsible, educated home. You will receive a ton of information and when you have a question or an issue with your puppy, we will be here to assist you. We will stay in touch for the life of the dog and expect you to do the same. You will sign a contract/agreement and receive some sort of health warranty. You won't get any of this from a breeder advertising on Puppyspot.

I recommend you check the links I have provided and stay away from Craigslist, Puppyspot or any of the other sites that come up when you google. Additionally, I cannot stress the importance of being patient, taking your time and finding a breeder that is both reputable and that you click with, enough.

jhassan98 09-05-2017 10:44 PM

Thanks a lot for taking the time and responding to my questions. We would love to meet up or talk with you to get more information. We live in Plymouth. Let me know how we can get in touch with you.
With so many issues with this breed I am biginning to wonder whether I should give up on Dobermans and start looking at Labs.
Thanks
Jim

ShelianDobe 09-06-2017 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jhassan98 (Post 3874329)
Thanks a lot for taking the time and responding to my questions. We would love to meet up or talk with you to get more information. We live in Plymouth. Let me know how we can get in touch with you.
With so many issues with this breed I am biginning to wonder whether I should give up on Dobermans and start looking at Labs.
Thanks
Jim

I think you will find that Labs have just an many issues. I sent you a PM.

MeadowCat 09-06-2017 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jhassan98 (Post 3874329)
Thanks a lot for taking the time and responding to my questions. We would love to meet up or talk with you to get more information. We live in Plymouth. Let me know how we can get in touch with you.
With so many issues with this breed I am biginning to wonder whether I should give up on Dobermans and start looking at Labs.
Thanks
Jim

Sending you a private message.

petowner 09-06-2017 12:56 PM

Definitely meet up with Meadowcat! She's a great resource.

We were in the same place as you in June -- looking for a pet, overwhelmed by the wait. Try to breathe deeply, spend your time making as many contacts as possible, and seek out opportunities to fill your dog cravings with temporary fixes (got a dog park to visit? a local rescue that would like a volunteer?).

No matter what breed you go with, the recommendations on choosing a breeder are the same. Basically, if you can find a puppy quickly, that's already a red flag. Purebred puppies aren't something you can find immediately unless their breeding is suspect. If you don't NEED the dog to be a doberman, then I am certain there are wonderful puppies available near you at a rescue, and those dogs will make terrific pets. A full-bred doberman bred by someone who isn't being careful is probably more likely to have health and temperment issues than a "mutt" will, especially if it's one who's been fostered out and thus almost certainly lovingly home-raised.

I feel your pain, I really do.


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