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more information needed. what sort of home will you provide? what type of dobe are you looking for? what do you intend to do with the dog - do you want to show or train for a sport? do you just want a family pet?
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more information needed. what sort of home will you provide? what type of dobe are you looking for? what do you intend to do with the dog - do you want to show or train for a sport? do you just want a family pet?
I am looking for more of a family pet. My wife's grandfather raised dobermans when she was young and I was raised around german shepherds. We have a 40' x 40' fenced in back yard, the monon trail right behind our house. We currently have a twelve year old schnauzer and kitten. My wife and I have be married for 25 years and have always had two dogs, but our boxer had to be put down about eight months ago, so we decided to start looking for a doberman. Our dogs have always be inside.
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good information! just an FYI, if your Schnauzer is male, do not get a male dobe. this breed is prone to same-sex aggression and it's not something you can train out of them.

i hope someone local to your area has some specific suggestions for you, but it's good to start with the DPCA breed referral list. i would also suggest going to your local breed club for breeder recommendations, as those folks will have very specific suggestions based on your family situation. hell, some of them may be reputable breeders!
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I'm in Indianapolis. The only breeder I would recommend who is local as of right now is Windsong Dobermans. There are some great reputable breeders in the Midwest if you are willing to travel and pay to have a puppy shipped as well.

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I would check out Denali Dobermans at Denali Dobermans - Breeding High Quality Champion Dobermans
They are in Valparaiso, Indiana
They have puppies due late April.
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While it looks like Denali (formerly Francesca Dobermans apparently, weird) has had a nice bitch in the past, there's Kimbertal in their lines. I would not recommend them. Denali Dobermans - Breeding High Quality Champion Dobermans



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Does it say on their web site they used to be Francesca?

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Man, those are some pedigrees on the Denali website. Show dogs on one side, and puppymill/BYB on the other.


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Denali Dobermans is NOT Francesca Dobermans

Denali Dobermans is NOT Francesca Dobermans. While they happened to breed with a Francesca male, they did not change names. Francesca Dobermans is out of Matteson, IL and is still breeding dobermans.
The 1/2 side of the breeding some so called BYB is also not true. While they do have AKC pointed dobes, the majority of their dobes are Canadian and European champions.
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Denali Dobermans is NOT Francesca Dobermans. While they happened to breed with a Francesca male, they did not change names. Francesca Dobermans is out of Matteson, IL and is still breeding dobermans.
The 1/2 side of the breeding some so called BYB is also not true. While they do have AKC pointed dobes, the majority of their dobes are Canadian and European champions.
are you aware Kimbertal is a puppy mill?
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are you aware Kimbertal is a puppy mill?
Just because one male or female came from Kimbertal somewhere in the lineage line does not make the rest bad dogs. Yes Kimbertal is a commercial breeder and I would never buy from them but many people who did, have wonderful dogs and are happy with them. I have seen many so called AKC breeders who should never be breeders. Just because a dobe comes from a known AKC breeder does not mean that dog won't have problems or pass away at an early age. As a breeder you test and research the best you can but no one has a crystal ball that will predict the outcome of the pups.
If you look far enough back in any AKC champions lineage, you will see many untitled, so called back yard breeder dogs.
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AKC really doesn't mean much - it's a registry, nothing more. however, Kimbertal is known for producing substandard dogs with significant temperament and health problems. i would not want to buy from someone willingly using dogs from their lines.
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AKC really doesn't mean much - it's a registry, nothing more. however, Kimbertal is known for producing substandard dogs with significant temperament and health problems. i would not want to buy from someone willingly using dogs from their lines.
There are reputable, popular doberman breeders that also produce dobes with temperament and health problems. Many of them keep crossing line over line. Where does it state on the website that they are willingly using that dog line? You see one dog somewhere in the past and you automatically knock the breeder who is constantly trying to improve the dogs line.
That's just plain ignorant!
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Troll much?

Once a breeder brings in a dog from a known puppy mill, from a source rife with health and behavioural issues. They've lost all credibility in my book (a lot of other books too)

You can sit there and defend them all you want, isn't going to help them out.

No not every dog from every breeder is perfect, the reality is there is no such thing as perfect. But reputable breeders don't continue to churn out puppy after puppy knowing there are going to be issues.
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Again you don't get the point!

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Once a breeder brings in a dog from a known puppy mill, from a source rife with health and behavioural issues. They've lost all credibility in my book (a lot of other books too)

You can sit there and defend them all you want, isn't going to help them out.

No not every dog from every breeder is perfect, the reality is there is no such thing as perfect. But reputable breeders don't continue to churn out puppy after puppy knowing there are going to be issues.
You can sit there and not understand the point but that's OK.
You or anyone does not have the right to make comments about a breeder, who by the way does not churn out puppy after puppy, because you see a dog in the past lineage that you don't like. I happen to know this breeder tests her own dogs and requires tests from the stud dogs.
Don't make comments about breeders you know nothing about.
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My point kimbertal.... End story....


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There are reputable, popular doberman breeders that also produce dobes with temperament and health problems.
why not back this up with proof? who, exactly, is producing dogs with known temperament issues and significant health problems?
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why not back this up with proof? who, exactly, is producing dogs with known temperament issues and significant health problems?
Why don't you first back your statements up with proof that this breeder is producing temperament and health issues with her dogs and I'm not talking about Kimbertal!
But everything you say must be true because it's on the internet!
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Why don't you first back your statements up with proof that this breeder is producing temperament and health issues with her dogs and I'm not talking about Kimbertal!
But everything you say must be true because it's on the internet!
actually, i'm just talking about Kimbertal...soo...back up your information with fact, please and thank you.
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actually, i'm just talking about Kimbertal...soo...back up your information with fact, please and thank you.
When the Troll loving ignoramous, SieYa brought the conversation to the uneducated level of name calling, it's time to stop responding.
I will not comment on other breeders I know in the show world that have had problems with there dobes because that would put me in the same category I'm trying to argue against.
I'll bet that I can go back in any of your dobes background and find skeletons or BYB's in the lineage. If I can find the lineage, because I tried to Google and dobequest some of the names here and nothing pops up.

I'll stand by Denali Dobermans as a wonderful caring and reputable breeder and I would put her dobes up against yours any day for health, quality and temperment. If the person who originally asked for a doberman breeder in Indiana is still looking for a dobe, please ignore the uninformed comments and give Denali a call, you will get a wonderful, healthy puppy.

So go ahead and make all your derogatory comments because I won't respond anymore but remember 'Ignorance is Bliss'
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OP, stay away from dogs with Kimbertal in their pedigree, no matter who bred them. You'll likely save yourself some heartache down the line.
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