I suck at training - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums
General Training & Obedience All training and obedience questions, tips, articles go here

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 08:44 AM Thread Starter
Big Dog
 
AnneFisk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 106
Location: Northern Minnesota
Dogs Name: Wiccabella, Stanley
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AnneFisk's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts
       
I suck at training

I have always found training challenging but lately I am really having a hard time. I am good at sit, down, stay, etc., but have NEVER been able to train a dog to heel. I get so frustrated and I'm sure that only makes it worse. Every dog I have tried to heel pulls and pulls. It is so exhausting, both mentally and physically. I am never able to relax the leash because Wicca pulls the entire time. The class I am going to is a pop the collar class and I can't even do that because she doesn't stop pulling. I have had the same problem with every dog I have had so I am obviously doing something very wrong.

Last night Wic had a big run and then I worked with her on the sidewalk. She has some significant anxiety issues and/or just wants to run, run, run. So far, getting her to walk has been impossible. Her car anxiety is getting worse and worse and I really would like to help both of us deal with it. Anyone have any ideas? I really want to do this right because she has so much potential. Class is tomorrow night and I am dreading it. Now that's a bad attitude already!
AnneFisk is offline  
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 09:06 AM
Alpha
 
KevinK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,656
Location: North Jersey
Dogs Name: Dakota
Titles: I Has a Rescue

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit KevinK's Gallery
Thanks: 1,775
Thanked 6,727 Times in 1,915 Posts
                     
Here's some tips. First off, you absolutely have to stay calm, or your dog will sense your frustration, and it will only make things much more diffiicult. This is a simple fix, but you have to be consistent, patient, and most of all not get frustrated. If you get frustrated, it will show, even if you think it's not, and your dog will react accordingly.

When Wic starts to pull, or do anything besides walk next to you, tell her no, and go the other way. Starts to pull, no, go the other way. Keep doing this over, and over, and over. If and when she finally starts walking in the correct position, tell her heel, give lots of praise, and a treat, or attention, whatever works best for her. You may end up going in circles the whole time on the front lawn, but eventually she'll get it. You have to teach her that not only is there no benefit to not listening, but also there's consequences to pulling and/or not listening.

So to sum it up, when she's in the heel position, tell her good heel, when she's anywhere else give a correction. When she starts pulling, just walk the other way, totally ignoring her until she gets in position, then praise and/or treat.

Dobes are extremely smart, so it won't take that long for her to learn, but again, the most important thing for you will be to learn to stay calm.
KevinK is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to KevinK For This Useful Post:
Rufus23 (10-07-2010)
post #3 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 09:13 AM
Alpha
 
Dobs4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,246
Location: Missouri
Dogs Name: Gunner, Eika, Ayla, Shrock...
Titles: Intl CH, BH, CD, T1, OB3, WAC, ATT, ATTS,
Dogs Age: 5,4, 3, 15 mos
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit Dobs4ever's Gallery
Thanks: 1,491
Thanked 5,067 Times in 2,303 Posts
Images: 5
                     
How old is the dog??? When asking questions like this that is always a important piece of info. If she is a little older get a pinch collar and correct and stop the unwanted behavior once and for all. By her continuing it tells me that you are getting frustrated which can only make the problem worse. So first I recommend to pinch to stop the pulling then............

Try luring - Put a hot dog in your hand and hold it in heel position then walk with her. Let her nibble the hot dog if she starts off stop and just wait til she returns to you then praise and treat and start over with the heeling. This is how I start all my puppies on heeling.

As far as the car - What signs does she exhibit??? Does she bark??? jump all around??

Most of the time it is our reactions that make things worse. I would take her to the car and just sit in the car with her and have her sit and treat. Work on this til she is always quiet. Then take a trip around the block - if she does not remain calm stop and have her sit - the car does not move til she is quiet.

Dobs4ever -
J Bar S Dobermans - Where Dobermans RULE!!!
Dobs4ever is offline  
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 11:46 AM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 20,500
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V L1E RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 49,071
Thanked 62,665 Times in 16,784 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
I again recommend the book "Control Unleashed" to you. It sounds like Wic has some anxiety/reactivity and I think she'd benefit a lot from the exercises in the book.

As far as heeling goes, have you tried clicker training her to walk nicely? It works great.
MeadowCat is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to MeadowCat For This Useful Post:
RedFawnRising (09-30-2010)
post #5 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 02:35 PM Thread Starter
Big Dog
 
AnneFisk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 106
Location: Northern Minnesota
Dogs Name: Wiccabella, Stanley
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AnneFisk's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts
       
I ordered the book, thanks! I have not tried clicker training, I thought I would just take her through this basic OB first to kind of bond, etc. but she is very anxious.

When she is in the car she trembles. I am certain it is not excited tremling. She will often pant and cough too.

How is one supposed to decide what training method to use? There are so many options and people make different suggestions and have different opinions.

I see you are in MN? Maybe I can just bring her to you and you can do it for me??
AnneFisk is offline  
post #6 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 03:00 PM
Alpha
 
Designer Doberman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 181
Location: Brantford
Dogs Name: Nelson
Dogs Age: 1 year
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit Designer Doberman's Gallery
Thanks: 102
Thanked 148 Times in 69 Posts
Images: 2
             
Our Nelson (1 yr old Dobie) pushes his luck all the time and is forced to heel. We keep him on a short leash, I have found that keeping the collar closer to his ears helps a lot. If you control his head, you control the dog. Quite oftern I use the handle of the lease turned inside out to represent the choke collar and tie the leash to me to limit how far ahead he can go. When walking, anytime he goes to pull we stay stop and make him stop once we start again we say heel and it isn't too long before he tries to pull again. Sometimes this process can take us an hour just to get around the block and other times he walks like a champ.
Designer Doberman is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Designer Doberman For This Useful Post:
2dobies (09-30-2010)
post #7 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 03:02 PM
Alpha
 
alwayshadpets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,407
Dogs Name: Tamora Atlas
Titles: GCH MACH 2 Atlas CD MXS MJG OF T2B OF Mach 9 Tamora UD MXC2 MJS3 NF TDI CGC. Abbéy NA NAJ
Dogs Age: 8 & 5 & 1
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit alwayshadpets's Gallery
Thanks: 2,427
Thanked 4,357 Times in 1,550 Posts
Images: 5
                     
I like the food lure method. Atlas is doing great with it. So great that when Ali worked with him last week for the breed ring he started heeling for her. She said he did beautfiul. Brush off the cobwebs and he got right to it with the breed gait.(he knows the difference, smart boy)

I would hold the food (high value food) on your left by your pant seams, Atlas is big so I hold his higher, but by the seam of my pants. Dobermans love to wrap and forge. Make it short sequences and feed often in the training faze.

Don`t get frustrated. Enjoy and have fun. Heeling will be a life time adventure. Some days great, some days not.
alwayshadpets is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to alwayshadpets For This Useful Post:
RedFawnRising (09-30-2010)
post #8 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 03:20 PM Thread Starter
Big Dog
 
AnneFisk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 106
Location: Northern Minnesota
Dogs Name: Wiccabella, Stanley
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AnneFisk's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts
       
You guys are so inspiring and motivating, thank you.
AnneFisk is offline  
post #9 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 04:10 PM
Alpha
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,681
Location: Southern California
Dogs Name: Eli
Titles: CGC

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Lori Z's Gallery
Thanks: 3,021
Thanked 9,868 Times in 3,377 Posts
                     
Do you take her in the car to fun places or just obedience and the vets office?
Lori Z is offline  
post #10 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 05:13 PM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 20,500
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V L1E RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 49,071
Thanked 62,665 Times in 16,784 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
Hi Anne,

I'm not a trainer at all, unfortunately! Shanoa is actually my first dog. I feel like I've learned (and am continuing to learn) a ton from working with her, particularly because she came from a bad breeder and has some anxiety issues, so she's been a challenge.

You have to find what works with your dog. With Shanoa, correction type of training made her anxiety/reactivity worse. That's when I started doing CU and it's worked miracles with her. The panting is almost certainly a sign of stress. Combined with the trembling, I'd say, without ever meeting her and knowing only what you've said, that she sounds like she has at least some issues with anxiety. If you've been trying other methods and they aren't working, it won't hurt anything to stop those methods and try positive marker training instead to see if it works better for her.

If you ever want to come down for a play date, though, I'd be up for that!
MeadowCat is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to MeadowCat For This Useful Post:
RedFawnRising (09-30-2010)
post #11 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 05:48 PM
Alpha
 
Audrey1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,895
Location: Oakland, CA
Dogs Name: Audrey
Titles: no
Dogs Age: 11 (RIP 4/5/2013)
Gallery Pics: 8
Visit Audrey1's Gallery
Thanks: 4,018
Thanked 2,763 Times in 1,284 Posts
Images: 8
                     
I just started reading CU and it has so much good information in it. I also would recommend forgetting the "pop the collar" type of OB class and get into a positive marker class. Is she food motivated? If so, it will be perfect for her.

Audrey1 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Audrey1 For This Useful Post:
RedFawnRising (09-30-2010)
post #12 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 06:10 PM
Alpha
 
Luvbirds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 9,664
Dogs Name: Monty & Petey RIP my sweet baby
Titles: Heart Healer & WAC CGC
Dogs Age: 3/10/10 & 10/27/06~8/14/11
Gallery Pics: 47
Visit Luvbirds's Gallery
Thanks: 11,736
Thanked 16,412 Times in 4,449 Posts
Images: 47
                     
Click here to find out how Luvbirds became a supporter
I know how you feel....with every dog before Monty....I had problems in OB classes. I hated classes, and because of that, so did all my dogs. Now with Monty....I just signed up for a third class, he is only 6 months old. We are enjoying it and he is doing really well. I suggest you continue on with OB classes, but be sure you like the instructor and methods they teach you. If you don't, find one you like. I went through 3 others before finding my current one. My trainer uses positive, but also tailors methods to the individual dog. She really understands all different temperaments and breeds and teaches the owner what to do with their dog to properly train it. She doesn't use a one size fits all. She recommends the proper collar for each dog, with a goal of transitioning to a flat buckle collar. She is also there for you with ALL problems, and has suggestions on what to do.

Luvbirds is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Luvbirds For This Useful Post:
RedFawnRising (09-30-2010)
post #13 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 06:20 PM
Alpha
 
heidi's mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,738
Location: rhode island
Dogs Name: DRU Havi and DRU Heidi
Titles: loves of my life - pains in my ass !!!!
Dogs Age: 3, 2
Gallery Pics: 15
Visit heidi's mom's Gallery
Thanks: 830
Thanked 1,970 Times in 863 Posts
Images: 15
                     
in our attention class out trainer was insistent that you dont take anymore than 3-4 steps when starting out. use food up near your eyes at first.... then when she looks at you say heel ( or foose what ever , I use watch me, even though its not proper) she looks at me and follows me now for about 10-15 steps., i am working on phasing out the food but if she does a good job i will treat her .. she said the thing is start small. once she breaks eye contact the heel is OVER.. you need to start again ,,, it has been a slow slow process.



My dobies may be Seconds, but they are not irregular

Look for us in DRU's 2012 Calender - October !!!!
heidi's mom is offline  
post #14 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 06:37 PM
Alpha
 
Pitts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,218
Location: Oklahoma
Titles: BH, SchH1,SchH2

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Pitts's Gallery
Thanks: 1,030
Thanked 2,590 Times in 812 Posts
                     
you have gotten some good advice, the best I have seen so far came from Dobs4ever, as the food method is great way to teach your dog, especially if they have good food drive,
I would also ask what type of collar you are using to teach the heel? You should be using a pinch/prong collar, this will allow you to get a good correction and get your dogs attention when they are not doing what you tell them. There is a huge difference in trying to correct a dog on a flat collar, a choke collar and a pinch collar, and when it comes to training, the pinch will be your best friend, and is truly the most human of the choices.
Also as someone said, you need to start out by teaching the position, if you arent doing competition style and just want the dog to be next to you, then dont teach them to look at you, but rather teach them to be sitting beside you in the heel position then treat. You do this by bringing the dog to your left side in a sitting position, say the heel command, and treat, do this multiple times so the dog understand this is the position, then you start out taking just a few steps, using the collar and lead to correct the dog and keep them beside you, then stop, they should sit, and you treat. As the dog progresses you can start to add more and more distance to the exercise until they are heeling on a loose lead besided you .

Dale
"Show me your dog and I will tell you what manner of man you are."
Max Von Stephanitz
Pitts is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Pitts For This Useful Post:
CourtneyJ (09-29-2010), pattym (10-02-2010)
post #15 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 06:50 PM
Alpha
 
CourtneyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 832
Location: NJ
Dogs Name: Shannon
Titles: Professional Lover!
Dogs Age: 11/12/2008
Gallery Pics: 47
Visit CourtneyJ's Gallery
Thanks: 1,908
Thanked 1,725 Times in 587 Posts
Images: 47
                     
How old is your dog? Because as a puppy she should be free to explore and do as she pleases.

I dont want to stir up the prong collar debate. Our girl had the pulling issue. I did all the alternative methods but nothing worked. Start, stop. Food. Changing directions, etc. etc. etc. I dont like what ive read about gentle leader and neck issues with dobermans. 7 months old and I put on the prong collar. No lying. 2 very strong corrections was all it took. She caught on instantly. Now she walks like a dream.

I think if used properly the prong collar is a great tool. Saves the constant tugging, yanking, nagging. In our case, I firmly believe it saved our dog added stress.

Every dog is different and responds differently. Prong collar worked in our case. Know how to use and fit a prong collar. Its not meant to be pulled and tugged. Quick snap corrections of varying degrees.

Good luck. These dogs are so smart and catch on quick.
CourtneyJ is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to CourtneyJ For This Useful Post:
pattym (10-02-2010)
post #16 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-29-2010, 07:14 PM
sufferin succotash
 
sam&macksmom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,168
Location: Doberville
Dogs Name: Sammy and Mack
Titles: CGC,TDI,TT
Dogs Age: Sam-8 Mack-10ish
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit sam&macksmom's Gallery
Thanks: 8,912
Thanked 18,789 Times in 6,514 Posts
                     
You've been given great advice. I am by no means, a professional trainer nor do I play one on TV but here are some tools that have worked for me:


1. a good prong. Herm Sprenger prongs are very good. Learn to use it correctly though. How to fit a Prong Collar


2. enroll in an OB class at a kennel club. Here's a link to ones in MN: Training Resources


3. If your girl is still anxious after a hard run AND medical issues have been ruled out, try giving a little Rescue Remedy, a natural stress reliever. Natural stress relief for pets - Rescue® Remedy Pet

Reputable Breeder Checklist: Here
DPCA: Here
UDC: Here
sam&macksmom is offline  
post #17 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-30-2010, 12:52 AM
Lil Pup
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
Location: Arizona
Dogs Name: Ripley
Dogs Age: 5 months
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit DobieAz's Gallery
Thanks: 16
Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts
 
Hi I am not a professional dog trainer. I am just suggesting what I did with my girl.

What I am doing is working off leash in my house with a treat in my hand. I will start by just taking a few steps then gradually add up to ten steps.
The reason why I did this is A) I read it somewhere! But the best reason is because I found myself stopping and turning so much that I was dizzy. LOL!
Anyways I was just pulling her so much that what I found is that her natural response was to pull back.
An example was if someone pulled on your arm, your first response would be to pull back. So I learned that because I am not a professional, I was not doing it correctly so I was doing unintentional training.
Just another idea maybe
DobieAz is offline  
post #18 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-30-2010, 08:34 AM Thread Starter
Big Dog
 
AnneFisk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 106
Location: Northern Minnesota
Dogs Name: Wiccabella, Stanley
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AnneFisk's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts
       
I wish we had another type of class here but we don't. We have 2 OB classes and the one I am taking is through the dog club, the other one is at Petco. She is not very food motivated, especially when she is stressed out. She does the "watch me" command really well when she is not distracted but outside, if there are any cars around, she is a wreck. I was pretty irritated at class last week (the first week). I had the prong on Wic and they said I should take it off and use a choke collar which they fitted her for. The choke does not stay up high on her neck and there are at least 4 inches between her neck and the leash. I said it didn't seem right and she said, "Well, it has to go over her head." Then.....during the class, one of the trainers said, "Now there are some people here who have high drive, high energy, ball of muscle dogs and we have fitted them with a prong collar." I was thinking, "Helloooo, I have a 65 lb lean machine Dobie but I can't use a prong collar???" Soooo irritating. Tonight is the second night and I am going to insist I use the prong collar. Plus, I am only 5 feet tall and with her height and 4 inches of collar to pull I am not tall enough to give her a good correction with the collar they gave me.

There is one private dog trainer kind of in our area I am thinking of using instead. If you don't mind, what are your opinions on her?

Welcome to Golden Paws Dog Training

The car anxiety is a whole 'nother issue.
AnneFisk is offline  
post #19 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-30-2010, 04:10 PM
Holier Than Now
 
RedFawnRising's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 22,475
Dogs Name: Whisper; George; Mina, Nashua, Arcus
Titles: George-Working Service Dog
Dogs Age: 9 yr, 5 yr, 4 yr, 2 yr, 1.5 yr
Gallery Pics: 3
Visit RedFawnRising's Gallery
Thanks: 72,151
Thanked 77,360 Times in 18,231 Posts
Images: 3
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by DobieAz View Post
Hi I am not a professional dog trainer. I am just suggesting what I did with my girl.

What I am doing is working off leash in my house with a treat in my hand. I will start by just taking a few steps then gradually add up to ten steps.
The reason why I did this is A) I read it somewhere! But the best reason is because I found myself stopping and turning so much that I was dizzy. LOL!
Anyways I was just pulling her so much that what I found is that her natural response was to pull back.
An example was if someone pulled on your arm, your first response would be to pull back. So I learned that because I am not a professional, I was not doing it correctly so I was doing unintentional training.
Just another idea maybe
This is precisely what I was going to recommend.

You've got a long history, with both this dog and previous dogs, of leash battles, right?

So, throw away the leash for the heeling exercises. Get rid of it.

Forget it.

The more you depend on a leash and some certain type of collar, the less you'll ever be able to do without it.

True obedience comes with the dog working at liberty.

Make it a very controlled setting, safe, and with as few distractions as possible, and learn to click/treat her for every step that is even approximating the appropriate, mannerly position.

Be careful using lures too much. Your dog's behavior may become dependent on a food lure, if you use it incorrectly.

The general rule is to lure once or twice on each new behavior, no more than three times, then phase out the lure.

That does not mean you get rid of rewards--you're just not showing them to the dog--you present them after the dog gives you the asked-for behavior.

There's really no way to explain all this over the 'net.

Get the CU book, and the accompanying DVDs and really, really try to get into a better class. Correcting this dog in the manner you've described your instructor is trying to do will make her worse, not better.

If your choices are that, or Petco, go to Petco. At least you can do your own thing there in a non-harmful way, with a group of dogs for distraction--BUT you need to get the basics down alone before you go, esp. since she is reactive. Try to get some private lessons, if you can also, first.

As far as your link, it looks worthy of further investigation.

I wish her site was a bit more informative as to her credentials and philosophy, but since she offers Clicks for Tricks, and does agility training, it looks like she might be a resource for you to learn basics of operant conditioning (clicker training).




My heart has joined the thousand, for my friend stopped running today~Richard Adams


"Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self."
―Cyril Connolly
RedFawnRising is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to RedFawnRising For This Useful Post:
MeadowCat (10-01-2010), pattym (10-02-2010), the_discowhore (09-30-2010), vivienne00 (09-30-2010)
post #20 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-30-2010, 11:11 PM
Alpha
 
2RescuedDobies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,114
Location: California
Dogs Name: Boris and Brie
Titles: Boris- CGC, BH Brie-CGC,BH
Dogs Age: 4 years old each
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit 2RescuedDobies's Gallery
Thanks: 676
Thanked 609 Times in 429 Posts
Images: 6
                     
all great advice. I've had success clicker training and luring. If your dog is not motivated by food but likes to play you can use a toy Ivan Balabanov is a good resource too.
2RescuedDobies is offline  
post #21 of 23 (permalink) Old 10-01-2010, 09:25 AM Thread Starter
Big Dog
 
AnneFisk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 106
Location: Northern Minnesota
Dogs Name: Wiccabella, Stanley
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit AnneFisk's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts
       
She was soooo much better last night. I MADE them give me the right collar and fitted her myself. One of the instructors wanted to work with her herself with the choke to see if there was a difference and then did have the grace to say, "Well I guess you're right." However, I believe the difference was mostly because I changed ME! I maintained my calm and about turned myself inside out with praise and happy voice for her. It worked. She still had some of the body language but nothing like last week.

I am going to hire the Golden Paws trainer for her car anxiety and when I get the CU book and DVD's I will start on that.
AnneFisk is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to AnneFisk For This Useful Post:
Audrey1 (10-01-2010), Pitts (10-01-2010)
post #22 of 23 (permalink) Old 10-01-2010, 10:56 AM
Alpha
 
Pitts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,218
Location: Oklahoma
Titles: BH, SchH1,SchH2

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Pitts's Gallery
Thanks: 1,030
Thanked 2,590 Times in 812 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnneFisk View Post
She was soooo much better last night. I MADE them give me the right collar and fitted her myself. One of the instructors wanted to work with her herself with the choke to see if there was a difference and then did have the grace to say, "Well I guess you're right." However, I believe the difference was mostly because I changed ME! I maintained my calm and about turned myself inside out with praise and happy voice for her. It worked. She still had some of the body language but nothing like last week.

I am going to hire the Golden Paws trainer for her car anxiety and when I get the CU book and DVD's I will start on that.
Glad to hear that things are working better for you, What collar did you switch to
?
and its great that you have been able to change you, most of the time that is the hardest part in training, is to realize that most of the mistakes made, are by the handler, and not the dog. LOL

Dale
"Show me your dog and I will tell you what manner of man you are."
Max Von Stephanitz
Pitts is offline  
post #23 of 23 (permalink) Old 10-01-2010, 11:18 AM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 20,500
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V L1E RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 49,071
Thanked 62,665 Times in 16,784 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
The only thing I would caution is that doing correction training and CU training at the same time is pretty incompatible.
MeadowCat is offline  
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome