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Well I have REALLY buckled down... almost to the point where I am obsessive about everything that I do with Mischa. Not in a bad way though. I have taken everyone's advise and I am trying to stick to it the best I can. I will add that I am taking her to obedience classes but I have to save up the money... which won't take long.
Until then I have really been working on not allowing her to have the chance to be bad, like someone suggested.
I have put us both on a strict schedule, it wasn't a drastic change for her since we were already on one... just kind of lax about it.

Since I last posted about her I think it was about 3 days ago... She has only had 1 accident in the house and that is because I was baby sitting a girl and I was trying to find the girl's coat because her parents were here... in the meantime Mischa went to the door and did #2. I didn't get on to her, I just kind of slapped myself in the face for not paying attention. She has been on a leash in the house non stop since I posted... I went out and got a new kennel (which she hasn't eaten yet). I put it in the livingroom (even though it is really cramped now) because she gets really stressed if it isn't in the room that we are in. Now she goes in the kennel and lays down until I bring her out to potty, then play. She has started to whine or pace when she needs to go potty, I take her out and now I have little to no problems going to the bathroom once we get to our spot, and I tell her to go potty... She gets LOTS of praises when she potties outside.

I haven't really tried to work on her obedience much, I mainly want her to focus right now on... "I have to go outside to potty, and it is so much more fun when I don't destroy things." after I think she is getting it I will work more on her obedience... we will be in a class by then. Do you think that is the right thing to do? Work on the house breaking and not destroying things before I work on obedience..

When she does try to do something I don't get on to her I just redirect her attention and ignore that I ever saw anything. I think this is helping because of her very negative "training" in the beginning.

I have been keeping her by my side at all times unless she was in her kennel which was when I was gone... but tonight I let her drag the leash around the house and I gave her a chew toy. She happily laid down with it and I didn't have any problems with her. I will continue to keep her by my side most of the time, because I don't want her to start going back to her "old" ways.

I posted this to mainly see if I was doing everything right... as far as you can tell and to see if there were any extra ideas or games that would help us bond more and still kind of compliment her not getting into trouble. Also to brag a little that she is trying... I think anyway, and my husband thinks so to because he isn't as adamant about getting rid of her anymore.


Thank you to everyone that has helped before... and any ideas are welcome.
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Its great to know you are putting effort into this and looking for help - God knows, the Doberman breed is not like others.

Though I wonder about how much time she is getting outside. At one year of age, she should be waaaay beyond pooping in the house. That should only happen when ill or in the case of a very very long stretch inside...which ideally, shouldnt happen.

Also, how much outside play time/exercise/running does she get? This is so incredibly important and cannot be exchanged in any way, for anything less. Well, actually it can be. But you dont want to make that trade lol.
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Its great to know you are putting effort into this and looking for help - God knows, the Doberman breed is not like others.

Though I wonder about how much time she is getting outside. At one year of age, she should be waaaay beyond pooping in the house. That should only happen when ill or in the case of a very very long stretch inside...which ideally, shouldnt happen.

Also, how much outside play time/exercise/running does she get? This is so incredibly important and cannot be exchanged in any way, for anything less. Well, actually it can be. But you dont want to make that trade lol.

Well I haven't had her the whole time... My mother in law bought her (She is a know it all) and basically "trained" her with yelling and chasing her. Mischa was about 9 months old when my MIL decided that she had created a monster, that was food aggressive, dog aggressive, would not come to you for anything in the world, she ate everything and my MIL couldn't get her potty trained... because she didn't try. She started jumping the fence and chasing cars. She would steal things off of the table and my MIL would basically just chase her around the house screaming at her until my MIL gave up.
My MIL was going to put her down because... and I quote "Well if I can't get her to mind then no one else will be able to." LMAO When this dog was about 4 months old she could be running through the house and since I always had treats I could show my command for sit and she would slide to a stop wherever she was. I got yelled at because she didn't want her dog trained with treats, and I wasn't allowed to give her anymore. She said "If I have to give a dog a treat to get it to do what I want then it isn't a very good dog." Mischa is VERY smart and wanted to learn so bad she could taste it but she has hit a wall in her "training" because of my MILs "skills". Anyway I told her I would take her, and she let me... I figure she is waiting for me to fail so she can rub it in. I have had her for about 3 months now and she is like a roller coaster, I would finally think that I was getting through to her then she would just go back to how she was at my MILs. She would shoot the gap going out the door, like the rest of my dogs I started making her sit before and after she came in or out of the door. This worked for a while but then it is like she said... hmmm nope don't gotta. Well my husband was home and when his friend walked in the door she shot the gap and since she wouldn't come to you because she thought she was in trouble... she got hit by a car. I worked at a vet clinic at the time, and THANK GOD the vet trusted me enough to let me take her to the clinic and told me what to give her over the phone... while he was driving to the clinic. He lives about 45 minutes away. She almost died, and at first we thought it broke her jaw... but the xrays showed that it didn't. She is fine now, she came back full force! Since then she doesn't want to have anything to do with the road but cars... not scared one bit if they are in the driveway.

A friend told me about this site because I was at my last resort. (I didn't know anything like this existed before) After she ate through her kennel... pulled the carpet off my stairs, broke a window and went to the neighbors to chase the horses my husband said we were getting rid of her. Well I can only ignore him for so long. So I am here now trying to absorb as much as possible so I don't have to get rid of her. I understood when I took her that it was going to be a BIG challenge, I am not expecting miracles but I know she is smart and somewhere deep down she wants to learn, the hardest part is her getting over her previous "training".

I used to take her for a 2 mile jog/walk almost everyday but if not we would play fetch and stuff like that outside after I got off work until it was about dark. BUT now that I am cracking down we have a 2 mile walk/jog in the morning and at about 6 We are taking a walk around the block, then playing when we get back both times. Up until she started fighting my dad's female Boxer she was outside on nice days all day while I was at work. Now she is in a Kennel when I am gone, until I can find my dad's dog a home or he finally shows up to get her. He is another story that I won't even get into.

I know this is REALLY long but I thought I should properly explain myself (or try to), because it does look like I have let her go for a year without teaching her anything if I don't. I have put a small dent in her bad habits but she has so many of them sometimes it is hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Sorry for the novel.
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good for you - sounds like your moving in the right direction - forward. just remember Obedience can be as simple as sit for a cookie, sit while i make your food. wait to eat , etc.... it can be simple stuff that really once she gets it will become second nature then when she does go to class she will already have a heads up !!!!! best of luck - keep up the good work
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I think you off to a fine start, but you can start a little obedience at home. Like heidi's mom said it can be little things. Sit at the door before you take her out to potty, sit for her meals and wait until you release. Other than that, I think your going to see some real progress especially once you start classes. It will be tough at first, but if you stick with it I think you will end up with a great dog! Good luck.

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Heck your MIL is related to my MIL except my MIL has a very smart Papillon she said the same thing going to put her to sleep no one can train her.Of course she has not but I sure get tired of hearing it. You hang in there keep working with your girl she can not get into trouble if she is tied to you or crated.Just wanted you to know you are not alone your hubby is most likely getting heat from his mother in trying to get you to get rid of the Dobe.
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Heck your MIL is related to my MIL except my MIL has a very smart Papillon she said the same thing going to put her to sleep no one can train her.Of course she has not but I sure get tired of hearing it. You hang in there keep working with your girl she can not get into trouble if she is tied to you or crated.Just wanted you to know you are not alone your hubby is most likely getting heat from his mother in trying to get you to get rid of the Dobe.
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I never thought of her telling him things, I should have though.

To previous posters:
I do make her sit for things like you said but I never considered it training.
Don't know why really. Thank you everyone for your replies.
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Wow. It makes sense, all the problems she is having.

Your MIL obviously doesn't understand dogs. Im so glad that you do and that you are turning this around.

The basics of pet ownership and proper care should be taught in schools. There are far too many people, far too ignorant of the things that matter.

And yes, DT is absolutely the best place you could be for support, detailed Dobe info and friendship.

With your dedication and effort, it wont be long until MIL will be questioning herself and you will have a wonderfully loving, well behaved Dobe.
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Sounds like you're doing a good job. Consistency and structure are key. The walks are good for socialization but she really needs some hard running. May I suggest 2 frisbees? The 2nd is to lure her back in case she likes to take off with the first.
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Sounds like you're doing a good job. Consistency and structure are key. The walks are good for socialization but she really needs some hard running. May I suggest 2 frisbees? The 2nd is to lure her back in case she likes to take off with the first.
I personally would strongly disagree with this for two reasons; I would never exercise a dog this young in such a physically strenuous manner, and the OP WILL get blown off and have an out of control dog (again).

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Sounds like you're doing a good job. Consistency and structure are key. The walks are good for socialization but she really needs some hard running. May I suggest 2 frisbees? The 2nd is to lure her back in case she likes to take off with the first.
I don't trust her. lol I know it sounds bad but I don't. She is to off the wall and once she gets her eye on something she doesn't care what you have in your hand. Maybe when she gets a little older and actually starts figuring out that, she won't get in trouble if she comes to me I will but I think it is too soon. I do play fetch with her but she is on a lunge line for a horse. That way when I call her and she doesn't come I can kinda lure her back in.

As for the walks... I am out of shape and we only jog until I am about to die... which isn't far, then we walk until I can breath again. lol

She gets NO socialization when we walk. We live on a tiny block of about 6 houses, mostly land.. and with us being right on the highway no one else ever walks their dogs. So it is just me, her, and my male Boxer Kane. I use him a lot to "help" me with her because he never gets riled up about anything and he minds very well. When she starts trying to bark at things or act stupid he just kind of stares at her then she realizes that he isn't doing what she is... She kind of looks at him like "Are you not gonna help me kill the scary sign?" then she gives up like "oh well I guess it isn't that bad or he would be going crazy". Maybe 1/4 of the time I take her without him because I don't want her to get dependent on him, but since we have been walking with him she has calmed down A LOT on our walks... whether he is there or not.
There is another route we could take when we walk but there are to many people that just let their dogs roam around and all I need is one of their dogs attacking mine, with their owners no where in site... probably not even home.
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Must be something in the name because my Mischa was exactly the same,you just have to keep working on the problems and it will improve over time.


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Your obedience work can be for short, 5-10 minute sessions. Definitely worth it and just reinforces you working together and that being good can be fun. It will help you in your other areas.

When you feel like you're dying when you're jogging (I know that feeling LOL) then stop and do 3 minutes of obedience work. Sit, down, shake, watch, touch, whatever is easy for her, and yes use treats! This will help her learn to work with you with distractions. If she can't attend outside, see if you can find the least distracting place and use just the easiest commands and work your way up. If she can't attend at all outside, then you need more work at home first.

Good for you for giving this dog a fair chance!

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Sounds like you are a life saver to that dog... and won't it be cool when you succeed?

As for more exercise, when I walk with Jersey - out to get our morning exercise --- I take a light weight braided rope made of fleece strips. It has a loop on one end. I can stuff it in my pocket or bring it out to break things up.

The neat thing is that I let her tug on it while we are walking and that keeps her right in place on my left, just behind me. Also, while she's playing, jumping and trying to get the rope, she gets more exercise than I do... AND ... when I tell her to leave it... we get a little obedience practice in there too.

I started this b/c we were going for an hour when she was 6 months and that was way too long for her to pay attention to being exactly in the right place... so the rope break things up, gets her some extra exercise and lets us practice Leave it. And it works as a non food reward when she walks just right.

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Sounds like you're doing a good job. Consistency and structure are key. The walks are good for socialization but she really needs some hard running. May I suggest 2 frisbees? The 2nd is to lure her back in case she likes to take off with the first.
Thank you so much for this post. My dobe loves frisbie but he always takes it and won't bring it back. That is a great way to get him back. He did watch a golden retriever at the dog park play fetch one day. For a week or two he would play fetch; but then he stopped bringing the frisbie/toy/ball back.
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uhm lol your MIL is the worst. i kinda hate her. and yeah they usually are know it alls.
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