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I am already on a waiting list for a black and rust bitch from Foxfire Dobermans down in Oregon. Im really excited as this is my first Doberman and first Working breed in general.

I have been to Doberman Pinscher specialty shows when I was still looking for the right breeder, and so many people recommended her and had nothing but good things to say about her and her dogs.

I just wanted to see if anyone on here has experience with Michelle and her dogs, and wanted to ask if you could kind of get a basis of what to expect. Have you had any issues with temperament and health? How do the dogs do in the Obedience/Rally ring? I have asked Michelle all these questions and her, being so professional and quick to respond (often responds within the hour) gave me very appealing answers.

However, I need all the opinions I can get, as I am loading up on information more specific to the Breeder.

Thank you so much!
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I am already on a waiting list for a black and rust bitch from Foxfire Dobermans down in Oregon. Im really excited as this is my first Doberman and first Working breed in general.

I have been to Doberman Pinscher specialty shows when I was still looking for the right breeder, and so many people recommended her and had nothing but good things to say about her and her dogs.

I just wanted to see if anyone on here has experience with Michelle and her dogs, and wanted to ask if you could kind of get a basis of what to expect. Have you had any issues with temperament and health? How do the dogs do in the Obedience/Rally ring? I have asked Michelle all these questions and her, being so professional and quick to respond (often responds within the hour) gave me very appealing answers.

However, I need all the opinions I can get, as I am loading up on information more specific to the Breeder.

Thank you so much!
I've had Foxfire dogs for years now and think Michelle does a great job of breeding really nice dogs (both conformation, brains and temperament--and good health). All of my dogs were intended for the conformation ring first bt all of them also played in the various performance venues. And did quite well.

Michelle doesn't do much except conformation with her dogs (no time) but there are several of her puppy owners (like me) who continue to do things in Obedience, Rally, Agility, Tracking, Barn Hunt, Coursing--and anything else you can think of.

As far as longevity goes two of my Foxfire boys were within a couple of months of 10 when I lost them and the other two were LC10D and LC14D so I can tell you that generally her dogs are long lived.

I recently lost my 14 year old dog and had decided that he was going to be my last Dobe--couldn't even imagine trying to deal with another puppy at my age--but the house was incredibly empty without any dog and one of the cats who evidently believed that Toad (the fawn boy) was HIS dog, broke my heart by hunting for him and waiting at the door every time I went out to see if I'd brought his dog back.

I've since borrowed a puppy to fill the gap--and to take my mind of the loss of a favorite dog--he's mostly Foxfire breeding (and Toad's Grandson) but only a loaner--I would sure be talking to Michelle if I didn't have this loaner pup...

I've never hesitated to send people to Michelle for puppies--I think she has a knack for fitting puppies to prospective owner and I think her dogs are wonderful.

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Hi Jesus! And welcome from the Pacific NW.

We have had 3 Foxfire dogs, all raised from pups. Currently, my son's boy is 10 yo and my male (McCoy) is 5 1/2.

Dobeug's ^^^ recently passed fawn male is my McCoy's Grand Pappy.... McCoy is a smart, alert, handsome, healthy dog with a wonderful temperament. He is great with my grandkids and very good around guests and folks that I personally introduce him to.

McCoy just had his annual physical and passed with flying colors. He also just had another complete cardio workup with his cardiologist (done solely for knowledge and any preventive purposes). His heart is completely healthy, identical in form and function to his original baseline echocardiogram and 24 hr Holter test a few years ago

So... The bottom line is that I would not hesitate to get another pup from Michelle or recommend Foxfire to a prospective Doberman home. I'm pretty sure that I will be contacting her in the not to distant future regarding a new puppy. Maybe a girl this time. It would be my first! LOL

BTW.. Where do you live?

Also. I would start looking at canine health insurance and consider insuring your new girl early on. These days many Doberman owners strongly recommend maintaining good health insurance for your pup. Early coverage helps avoid "pre-existing conditions" issues. I have Embrace.

Best to you and your impending puppy.

John Lichtwardt
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Edit to say: Foxfire has a facebook page that is fun to follow.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxfireDobermans/

The bitch, Jewelia( GCH Foxfire's Tell Me About It), in the upper right hand corner of the Foxfire's facebook page is McCoys dam
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If dobebug recommends someone, you can be sure that recommendation is trustworthy. I wouldn't hesitate, in fact I would love, to have a Foxfire dog.
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Hi Jesus! And welcome from the Pacific NW.

We have had 3 Foxfire dogs, all raised from pups. Currently, my son's boy is 10 yo and my male (McCoy) is 5 1/2.

Dobeug's ^^^ recently passed fawn male is my McCoy's Grand Pappy.... McCoy is a smart, alert, handsome, healthy dog with a wonderful temperament. He is great with my grandkids and very good around guests and folks that I personally introduce him to.

McCoy just had his annual physical and passed with flying colors. He also just had another complete cardio workup with his cardiologist (done solely for knowledge and any preventive purposes). His heart is completely healthy, identical in form and function to his original baseline echocardiogram and 24 hr Holter test a few years ago

So... The bottom line is that I would not hesitate to get another pup from Michelle or recommend Foxfire to a prospective Doberman home. I'm pretty sure that I will be contacting her in the not to distant future regarding a new puppy. Maybe a girl this time. It would be my first! LOL

BTW.. Where do you live?

Also. I would start looking at canine health insurance and consider insuring your new girl early on. These days many Doberman owners strongly recommend maintaining good health insurance for your pup. Early coverage helps avoid "pre-existing conditions" issues.

Best to you and your impending puppy.

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I keep telling John that he needs a red bitch to go with his black dogs--Foxfire produces some amazingly evil, bad lil' red bitches.

His recommendation of Health insurance for Dobermans is a good idea.

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Foxfire produces some amazingly evil, bad lil' red bitches.

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I laugh and laugh every time another knockout red head girl comes along! Michelle's fave! I also drool, a lot. I have yet to own a red bitch. That is my dream/goal.

Michelle has been a well-respected preservation breeder for decades. You really can't go wrong.
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I am already on a waiting list for a black and rust bitch from Foxfire Dobermans down in Oregon. Im really excited as this is my first Doberman and first Working breed in general.

I have been to Doberman Pinscher specialty shows when I was still looking for the right breeder, and so many people recommended her and had nothing but good things to say about her and her dogs.

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However, I need all the opinions I can get, as I am loading up on information more specific to the Breeder.

Thank you so much!
My bitch is co-bred by Michelle, although she's from Sirai Dobermans. Michelle is Charlene's mentor. I can't speak much to the experience of getting a puppy directly from Michelle, although she's been helpful to me when I've contacted her directly, though I haven't done that often, as I generally connect with Sypha's breeder directly.

Sypha has a lot of Foxfire in her. She is the product of a frozen semen breeding of Am/Can Ch Foxfire's That's a Wrap MX MXJ XF CGC ROM LC-13D X GCH Sunny N Foxfire's Starstruck CAX CGC BFL-1. I got her as a "sports prospect" so I think I can speak a little bit to your question about temperament, although, of course, my puppy wasn't raised by Michelle, so early experiences do differ, and that does matter.

Sypha turned 4 this winter. She's a super eager learner and loves to train. We actively compete in Nosework and I'm hoping we might earn our NW3 this summer, if we can get into enough trials. She has multiple Nosework titles. She trains in agility and at some point we may trial/title there. We've dabbled in obedience - it's not MY favorite, so I don't know if we'll ever pursue it. She's done a bit of barn hunt. She would probably happily train in any sport I asked of her, although she's clearly chosen scentwork as HER sport. She has her working aptitude certification. She's the sweetest, most cuddly girl I've met. She has a very nice off-switch. She certainly needs reasonable mental stimulation and exercise, but she's a good girl.


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I've had Foxfire dogs for years now and think Michelle does a great job of breeding really nice dogs (both conformation, brains and temperament--and good health). All of my dogs were intended for the conformation ring first bt all of them also played in the various performance venues. And did quite well.

Michelle doesn't do much except conformation with her dogs (no time) but there are several of her puppy owners (like me) who continue to do things in Obedience, Rally, Agility, Tracking, Barn Hunt, Coursing--and anything else you can think of.

As far as longevity goes two of my Foxfire boys were within a couple of months of 10 when I lost them and the other two were LC10D and LC14D so I can tell you that generally her dogs are long lived.

I recently lost my 14 year old dog and had decided that he was going to be my last Dobe--couldn't even imagine trying to deal with another puppy at my age--but the house was incredibly empty without any dog and one of the cats who evidently believed that Toad (the fawn boy) was HIS dog, broke my heart by hunting for him and waiting at the door every time I went out to see if I'd brought his dog back.

I've since borrowed a puppy to fill the gap--and to take my mind of the loss of a favorite dog--he's mostly Foxfire breeding (and Toad's Grandson) but only a loaner--I would sure be talking to Michelle if I didn't have this loaner pup...

I've never hesitated to send people to Michelle for puppies--I think she has a knack for fitting puppies to prospective owner and I think her dogs are wonderful.

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But what is LC10D and LC14D stand for?
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But what is LC10D and LC14D stand for?
LC is a longevity certification given to dogs by our breed club starting at age 10, so dogs that live to age 10 are LC10D (deceased at 10). Thus LC14D means they lived to age 14. Living dogs are noted as simply LC, so a dog alive at age 12 is LC12.

We also have BFL designations, which means Bred for Longevity. Dogs can be BFL1, which means both parents lived to at least 10, or BFL-2, which means parents AND all grandparents lived to age 10.

As an example, my Richter's mother is still alive, and is both longevity certified AND bred for longevity (one of the more rare BFL-2 designations): CKC ptd Glengate's Rock It To The Max RN, CGN BFL-2 LC-12L

You can read about the longevity program on the DPCA page here: The DPCA | Longevity Program
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LC is a longevity certification given to dogs by our breed club starting at age 10, so dogs that live to age 10 are LC10D (deceased at 10). Thus LC14D means they lived to age 14. Living dogs are noted as simply LC, so a dog alive at age 12 is LC12.

We also have BFL designations, which means Bred for Longevity. Dogs can be BFL1, which means both parents lived to at least 10, or BFL-2, which means parents AND all grandparents lived to age 10.

As an example, my Richter's mother is still alive, and is both longevity certified AND bred for longevity (one of the more rare BFL-2 designations): CKC ptd Glengate's Rock It To The Max RN, CGN BFL-2 LC-12L

You can read about the longevity program on the DPCA page here: The DPCA | Longevity Program
Thanks MeadowCat,

I can't add much to that except that the 14 year old Foxfire boy that I lost last November (Ch Foxfire's Gold Toed Monster etc was also a BFL 1 and was one dog shy of being a BFL 2 (and there are really dang few BFL 2's around) And that dog was only bred twice and his first litter puppies will be 9 in August this year. As far as I know, except for one of that litter who died as a puppy from a lung infection (pneumonia I think--that his owners didn't recognize until too late to save him) that all of that litter are still living and his second litter (two years later) are also.

I wish the DPCA would push the longevity program a little more than they do--I think it's important.

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I can say that when I was first researching before I got Richter, looking for breeders who showed up on the Bred for Longevity listings (and especially anyone on the BFL-2 listings!) was a huge factor in the breeders I looked at.
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