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I know the feeling.. mine is 9 month old now but his terrible stealing and chewing issues started around 6-7 month old. I try and keep chewing bones around to satisfy his chewing. We let him run out his energy multiple times a day, but 5 min alone and this is what he does. He chewed up 3 remote so far..and a couch and multiple shoes and flip flops
It’s seems to be getting better but we aren’t out of the woods yet.





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Sheeze Beaumont67 you must be the Doberwhisperer, I think having them since ‘77 you must now just practically control them with your mind! I mean you must just “get them” so automatically and innately that you know how to condition them to your expectations in a way they can comprehend and follow through on. Cute pix to illustrate thankyou!!
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Beau is a dog whisper ..........I have only known him through this forum but he is a wonderful man ........and plays a really crappy game of ping pong and billiards. Also terrible at salesmanship ...............overall quite shy actually. There’s just something special about him .......
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I know the feeling.. mine is 9 month old now but his terrible stealing and chewing issues started around 6-7 month old. I try and keep chewing bones around to satisfy his chewing. We let him run out his energy multiple times a day, but 5 min alone and this is what he does. He chewed up 3 remote so far..and a couch and multiple shoes and flip flops
It’s seems to be getting better but we aren’t out of the woods yet.

HaHa - I been called the "Dobe-Whisperer" before, but I to had the rocky start once...coming home from work (40 years ago), with the Love Seat cushions on the floor.
- and half the sofa stuffing, all chew-pulled out of the springs...all over the carpet
- I once chalked it up to normal puppy stuff, but now know different

Back in 1978.
I dedicated to confirmation & OB (both on & off leash) dog training...for 21 weeks.
- once a week, in a group training session / 6 day per week, doing training homework (one full hour/night)
- I learned to train a smart dog, to 198.5 points out of 200 // the teacher was remarkable, in her understanding of canine behavior
Lessons Learned...
a) teach Expectations, using Timing & Correction as needed
b) the LOVE & Bond part, came naturally to me
c) I developed my own style of Visual Jesters (face expressions, communication Bad or Pleased) & later a few hand signals (to further proof commands)
d) and added Verbal Tone Pitch Changes...indicating Good or Bad / from soft baby talk to all out yelling (like when a skunk is on the front lawn, and another spray needs to be avoided LOL)
- my dogs know, if Dad has to yell...its for their Health & Safety /our girls, don't react negatively, to my raised voice...on the race occasion, that I will use it

But our 2nd girl trained her Dad, at 9.5 weeks old ...3rd day home, I said to the wife:
- this pup is special, she has a willingness to please me and wants nothing more than unconditional love
- by 6 months old, we walked down main street on city sidewalk...all off-leash, and even crossed a busy intersection
- I training her street walking off-leash @ 4.5 months old...and OB on dead end street, a month later, with no treats
(only kisses on the nose & soft muzzle rubs positive rewards, for her motivation)
- in her final months of life, I had a close friend make a street walk video...not even practiced, for a few years, in her old age
Senior Amy Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgnM067oZKc

In retirement, this girl would learn to read Dads mind, she knew about 450-500 human words, and we talked her in full sentences...like a 4 year old child.
- former Amy was Humanized & most Language intelligent / often I gave her to choices, to make

This 2nd dog and our relationship, changed my Life (a gift of a heart dog)...and free-reign at 4.5 months young, in home, and I'd come home to a tidy home...dog on a $2,000 leather recliner, patiently waiting for her Dad.

On comes "crap-storm-spit-fire" Kelly at 10 weeks old...an Alpha FM, that tried maiming sons 8# YorkiePoo (when dobe was a puppy).
- no crate & rotate, strict discipline for a full year...now they sleep together
- another pup free-range without a crate in home setup / proved at 5 months young
- she did more the normal dog stuff
a) want to eat stones
b) want to run the fence line, and bark at neighbor dogs
c) want to dig holes in yard, etc.
d) want to destroy all toys, very early on

^^ A pup that had extreme red zone prey drive, with hackles up at 11 weeks young...a handful (was an understatement)...she was more suited for Police or Airport work.
- and if given to a new 1st time owner, she would have been surrendered or bit someone (as a pup)

But we can't always pick the easy ones, and wife & dad persevered. Mommy handles in a completely different way, but just as effective...we learn from every new dog.
- it was a goal of mine, to see if a stubborn and strong willed (not food motivated) pup, could learn to be respectful...in our home
- with 100% supervision (first few months)...we got a pup, that learned to respect, all human things
- and stopped eating stones & digging holes, before bad habits formed

I expect a certain amount of Love & respect from our dogs, that enjoy a spoiled life.
- we do set Rules of house behavior, that does get followed
- puppy is always in our sight, to monitor (in early months) ...but the Rewards from this early work, is huge

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These dogs often like to have project on the go, such as making sure all their humans, and their homes are safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVeQWY7fik
Why To Get A Doberman

Just one quick example ^^ notice the masters dialog, with the dogs full attention...dog knows its place (who is in command), and laps up the affection.
- when I trained client dogs, the voice chatter, timing and projecting expectations...was often missing
- and notice the postponed, high valued treat offer...smart move, on owners part
(delayed gratification, training)
- he has successfully conditioned his dobe, being fully engaged (not bored) & Love is felt mutually

Dobe learned manners in the house, and is Happy !!
- the owner learned to think, like a Dobe // and found the motivation, that works
- making it look so easy / and in a lot of respects, even puppy-hood is
[but if one thinks they can't // it won't]

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On comes "crap-storm-spit-fire" Kelly at 10 weeks old...an Alpha FM, that tried maiming sons 8# YorkiePoo (when dobe was a puppy).
- no crate & rotate, strict discipline for a full year...now they sleep together
- another pup free-range without a crate in home setup / proved at 5 months young
- she did more the normal dog stuff
a) want to eat stones
b) want to run the fence line, and bark at neighbor dogs
c) want to dig holes in yard, etc.
d) want to destroy all toys, very early on

^^ A pup that had extreme red zone prey drive, with hackles up at 11 weeks young...a handful (was an understatement)...she was more suited for Police or Airport work.
- and if given to a new 1st time owner, she would have been surrendered or bit someone (as a pup)

But we can't always pick the easy ones.........
Now LOOK - 2 canine friends, waiting on Dads BBQ...in the shade.

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Ugh so she is out playing in the front yard with the GSD and I am watching, she is behind a big tree chewing a loop in the garden hose. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

So you guys when does the second stage of chewing seem to taper off? I know I will have to watch her probably always and forever but someone mentioned a second stage of teething when the teeth are setting, that can be worse than even the first stage. She is little over 7 months now... Well there goes another expensive item, a very long hose, not cheap.


Good to know about Beau, . OK I will try that with the pic. I did try manage attachements maybe because my speed gets so throttled by Verizon on my supposedly unlimited data, it was going so slow I thought it didn’t work
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Oh wow I just saw more posts on the thread, got to page two, reading now..

Aw I love Amy... thankyou for sharing Beau! You really are a Dobe wizard! Very inspiring <3 You may have got off to a good start with a trainer who guided you but obviously you are a natural and a trainer yourself.

Will you pick my next Dobe lol? Another Amy? No you would probably want to keep Amy 3 if you found her.
I truly enjoyed your wonderful posts. I will look next at the training video. Yeah I probably need to find a good obedience class. Anyone know of anyone good in S Oregon?

I will stay the course with this monster, her sweet snuggly side is wonderful and I’m sure at least some of these trials and tribulations will pass once she is more mature.. but eventually when my GSD Onyx passes I will likely get another Dobe. Or maybe another GSD, dunno. They both have their amazing points. But the GSDs shed brutally for keeping a clean house, when she blows her coat twice a year it is not pretty. And I am an artist and literally there will be her long hairs on everything I own forget about painting without hairs getting in the paint, I’m serious, it migrates all over the house no matter how much I vacuume.
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Ugh so she is out playing in the front yard with the GSD and I am watching, she is behind a big tree chewing a loop in the garden hose. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

So you guys when does the second stage of chewing seem to taper off? I know I will have to watch her probably always and forever but someone mentioned a second stage of teething when the teeth are setting, that can be worse than even the first stage. She is little over 7 months now... We’ll there goes another expensive item, a very long hose, not cheap.


Good to know about Beau, . OK I will try that with the pic. I did try manage attachements maybe because my speed gets so throttled by Verizon on my supposedly unlimited data, it was going so slow I thought it didn’t work
She's too young to trust unsupervised (as in, you need to be out in the yard with her). I would really, really recommend you give her until at least a year old....
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Thanks MeadowCat, I am speaking to the supermod who writes amazing erudite university level articles about DCM, so I will take that to heart!

I guess you are right, I mean I look out there every few minutes but it’s probably still not enough.

She really hates being crated tho, when can’t watch 100%, but she is getting better.
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Thanks MeadowCat, I am speaking to the supermod who writes amazing erudite university level articles about DCM, so I will take that to heart!

I guess you are right, I mean I look out there every few minutes but it’s probably still not enough.

She really hates being crated tho, when can’t watch 100%, but she is getting better.
Gosh, not even a little!

I just have Richter, who is a bad bad chewer, so I've been there! I couldn't leave him uncrated or unsupervised until he was probably at least 18 months old.
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I just have Richter, who is a bad bad chewer, so I've been there! I couldn't leave him uncrated or unsupervised until he was probably at least 18 months old.


Crating is our options as well. Storm hates it, but again with the chewy stuff after few minutes of crying he will stop and will entertain himself. We do crate training daily so he won’t associate the crate with us leaving the house.
I had Doberman’s in the past but it has been 20 years since my last one and my Newfies aren’t that bad of a chewers. I forgot how much energy a Doberman has. All in all he is 9 month old now and definitely gotten better in the last two month.


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The pup must be tied to your hip at all times.......is this a pain when we are trying to do our human chores ...YES.......but this tied at the hip is short lived.....while undoing bad habits can take forever.....
AND its the only way to keep your new baby pup safe.
If you do not do this ......(keep dog at your hip).......I suspect you will be training and trying to undoing bad habits for a long long time .........sometimes these bad habits will never go away.
My reality is some of the stories I have read about abdominal obstructions..............yeah they can do surgeries ...............surgeries create scar tissue......then things get caught on the scar tissue........ya da ya da ya da ............I can tell you love your puppy and you want to watch pup play and have fun.........but seriously please do not send your baby into the shall we say "parking lot" alone.........its way to dangerous. To many things can happen in the blink of an eye.

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I forgot to say Ghostika, ouch, on the couch!!

Yeah that makes sense Lady Di...

OK, you guys have scared me straight, not even a few minutes in the yard unwatched. Because I’m looking every few minutes after leaving lots of safe chew toys. OK I’ll revamp training approach, it all makes sense.
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Yeah that makes sense Lady Di...

OK, you guys have scared me straight, not even a few minutes in the yard unwatched. Because I’m looking every few minutes after leaving lots of safe chew toys. OK I’ll revamp training approach, it all makes sense.
You could pick up a couple of x-pens to make a large-ish x-pen, so you could allow her to be outside, safely in the x-pen with safe toys, if you want to allow that. But I wouldn't leave her out there without being out there with her right now, since she's proven herself a little stinker!
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OK, you guys have scared me straight, not even a few minutes in the yard unwatched. Because I’m looking every few minutes after leaving lots of safe chew toys. OK I’ll revamp training approach, it all makes sense.


The weirdest thing about my boy.. he has never chewed up his own toys. He will collect all of them in his bed, sometimes he will go at it and runs up and down the whole house for a good 30 min with a squeaky toy making terrible sounds with it, ( fun to watch when the cats get involved as well ) than goes and lays down in his bed. He only had issues with MY stuff little PITA..I learned not to leave things out tho..
Outside he is great. He has dug gigantic holes but whatever I can fix that, but got his energy out and had fun, but mostly he will just run around full speed and flys into the creek for a swimming. My newfs are way to slow for him so he can’t really play with them. They are also pretty old ... maybe one day I’ll get him a friend


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That's good ......committed to keeping your baby safe and healthy.
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The weirdest thing about my boy.. he has never chewed up his own toys. He will collect all of them in his bed, sometimes he will go at it and runs up and down the whole house for a good 30 min with a squeaky toy making terrible sounds with it, ( fun to watch when the cats get involved as well ) than goes and lays down in his bed. He only had issues with MY stuff little PITA..I learned not to leave things out tho..

Outside he is great. He has dug gigantic holes but whatever I can fix that, but got his energy out and had fun, but mostly he will just run around full speed and flys into the creek for a swimming. My newfs are way to slow for him so he can’t really play with them. They are also pretty old ... maybe one day I’ll get him a friend


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Your RULES Ghostika.
- are inconsistant, NOT a good thing...doesn't help the dog mature properly
- digging Holes has to be considered destructive behavior...can't be OK, just because it is outside
- out of sight & out of mind...doesn't work

Former Amy & dad visited one of my pet food customers, with a 4 month old Bullmastiff.
- Amy went up to greet it, while sitting up on the furniture
- it growled at my certified Therapy dog & owner lady laughed (so proud of its displayed negative behavior)

Larry told her, she would have problems with her pup, and she could pay me to train it.
- she sent it to puppy class instead....an hour of smell my puppy bum

A year later the 200# FM was getting out of control...Loved mom, but jealous of the 2 young kids.
- when it started to draw ankle blood, when little tots came home from school
- dog was put down

This massive dog tried to crack my skull once...while I delivered a bag of dog food.
- so a few months later I bated it into trying to hurt me & "clocked it"
- followed my 15 minutes of strict OB commands
- other than the Lady owner, she said I was only the 2nd person that dog would listen to

You see, lack of consistence...is never a good thing, very bad habit forming.

I never let our dog outside, without me...they are capable, of staying off the Hwy but our bond does not allow it.
- even if its raining, dad has to get wet to / so dobe can go potty

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Oh wow I just saw more posts on the thread, got to page two, reading now..

Aw I love Amy... thankyou for sharing Beau! You really are a Dobe wizard! Very inspiring <3 You may have got off to a good start with a trainer who guided you but obviously you are a natural and a trainer yourself.

Will you pick my next Dobe lol? Another Amy? No you would probably want to keep Amy 3 if you found her.
I truly enjoyed your wonderful posts. I will look next at the training video. Yeah I probably need to find a good obedience class. Anyone know of anyone good in S Oregon?
Thks for the kind words / former Amy, was a special one.
- in the last 4 months, she couldn't make the steps onto the 2nd flloor master bed
- so we put a futon bed in the living room, and dad and her shared a pillow
- I use to whisper sweet stories in her ear for 5-10 minutes, every night
- and tell her, she was our Angle baby, from Heaven
- also told her to not die in her sleep on me
- given 3-4 strokes one night, she hung on till for proper kisses once adult son showed up
- and help dad take her to Vets / she changed the way, I look at dog training
- train using informal fun & games, using my imagination to get a new result

I never thought a 4.5 month old puppy, could stay home-alone and not destroy things.
- and my dogs, all hate crates, little Amy cried in a crate (1-1.5 hrs./day)
- if she wasn't crying, she was busy trying to escape
- one day she did escape, the crate...her crate was setup beside our snooker table & nothing chewed
- billiard table was setup in our heated & A/C garage
- so next day, in the living room she was tested...on the leather furniture
- and home alone worked
- but we have clear rules on each & every toy here / and no chewing pillows or blankets allowed
- and no digging holes / or other mischief allowed
^^ CONSISTENCY !!

Old girl AMY waits for bed time, while Dad on DT....such a sweet girl & family Loyal.
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Wow I’m really learning a lot from you guys also from what you say to eachother.. for example I would have thought digging holes in yard sort of yukky for me but harmless fun.. and I was on DT with my last boy seems years ago now so I thought I knew dobes. Truth is he was a lot of dog for both me and my guy at the time, we never had him trained well even tho we went to puppy classes and we left him with a pro trainer once in awhile (she also boarded), who then instructed us. And his Pica was insane. My BF was a strong fella and even he had a hard time not being drug around by him. We tried different things I bought a prong but never used it, our trainer wanted us to use a Halti but I was worried about Dobe neck being more susceptible to injury, based on reading. I used a martingale collar now.

I’m finding this girl a lot easier even tho she is in here most challenging age right now.

So how do I correct her when she is tethered to me? Just verbally? One of you said then you can correct her. I mean I don’t shake or jerk the leash or something like that do I? I think you meant just whatever is appropriate for what she is doing which would vary. She is tethered right now as I write she’s actually tethered to my ankle, occasionally trying to eat the leash lol argh. But she seems to sort of be ok with it, the great thing about dobes is they are so sort of wanting to be close to you anyway so that is helpful for the tethering. She is smart tho and seems to learn fast, promise of good things to come

Aw very touching story about Amy, Beaumont67.. I don’t know that most of us mere mortals will live up to your training advice perfectly but at least it gives us a picture of what to aspire to!
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She is so funny, she kept going into her crate which she hates rather than be tethered, I was like fine... works for me
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Whether or not you let your dog dig holes is a personal preference in my mind. Some breeds of dog are almost hard-wired to dig.

A lot of this behavioral stuff is personal preference. Do you want him on the couch or not? Do you mind if he begs for a treat?

The main thing to remember with the puppies is that while a certain behavior may be cute now when they're little, it may not be when they're grown up. So do not let your puppy do something you wouldn't want him to do when he's grown.

Barking at me to demand that I play or give him something (common puppy thing that some think is cute) drives me absolutely nuts, for example. I don't allow it in my adult dogs--I never allowed it in my puppies.

But they all are welcomed on the couch or even on the bed.
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Here is my suggestion......you have a young pup...so its not to late to re-approach.
There is a book thats called “When Pigs Fly”.........its a great book.......I started reading this book several months ago as I really wanted Hoss to focus on me and my expectations from him. IMO getting their attention on you is very important...........you will learn a lot from this book on exactly where to begin along with details on how dogs brains process things internally.
Having a basic understanding of how your dogs thinks, how to read your dogs body language, and the dog having a strong focus on pleasing you in order to gain rewards (rewards can be anything-food-favorite toy- attention- etc.) is the building blocks for all of your future training.
Hoss and I love classes and have participated in many different training styles.........it took me two dobermans to learn there is no ONE specific way to train dogs. Many different styles of training out there that works........had I read “when pigs fly” I suspect I would be much further along in our training goals. Check on this book......one thing I have enjoyed the most from this book is the instant results as I practiced the daily exercises. As I obtained results.....it motivated me more and more to practice because I felt like I was really getting somewhere. IMO all of us know what to do......but we get tired and neglect to practice with our dogs daily. But the practices are short and can take place anywhere ..........
For instance.......you can try this also.........put some little pieces of high value treats in your pocket.............call his name ........when he looks at you .......say yes ..then give treat ...................do this real fast over and over again.....the pup is close to you. I many times.....10-15-20 times.......
So it goes like this .....
Hoss
He looks at me
I say - ( yes ) .....the moment he looks at me
Then I give him the treat .....
Try to build up speed with this ....

Then later ......do the same but build your distance with this exercise .....
So it goes like this

Hoss walks in into another room
I call his name
Hoss!
He comes and looks at me ....
YES!
Then treat.....

Try this today but keep pup close and do the quick repetitions............its all muscle memory.....
Inside dogs head I suspect pup thinking .....every time I do this......boom!......I get that...........

This is just and example to get you going with this simple yet effective training method ....

As times goes by and your dog matures .......your will begin to mix things up........or you might treat with favorite toy...or a back scratch....
Initially the food just gets there little brains all fired up and excited........and the focus is on pleasing you.

But bottom line.........read this book...........good intro......fast results....

Hoss and I have built up distance...........I call his name......he comes running...........whe he arrives ........YES.....then I treat .....but not always food.....I vary between food and playing tug........but we have been working on this for several months now....

Oh one other thing......If you try this exercise......start off with little distractions...just you and your pup one on one together. Remember........YES....to mark the behavior as correct “Yes....pup thats what I want you to do”.....................then treat...................

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Wow I’m really learning a lot from you guys also from what you say to eachother.. for example I would have thought digging holes in yard sort of yukky for me but harmless fun.. and I was on DT with my last boy seems years ago now so I thought I knew dobes. Truth is he was a lot of dog for both me and my guy at the time, we never had him trained well even tho we went to puppy classes and we left him with a pro trainer once in awhile (she also boarded), who then instructed us. And his Pica was insane. My BF was a strong fella and even he had a hard time not being drug around by him. We tried different things I bought a prong but never used it, our trainer wanted us to use a Halti but I was worried about Dobe neck being more susceptible to injury, based on reading. I used a martingale collar now.

I’m finding this girl a lot easier even tho she is in here most challenging age right now.

So how do I correct her when she is tethered to me? Just verbally? One of you said then you can correct her. I mean I don’t shake or jerk the leash or something like that do I? I think you meant just whatever is appropriate for what she is doing which would vary. She is tethered right now as I write she’s actually tethered to my ankle, occasionally trying to eat the leash lol argh. But she seems to sort of be ok with it, the great thing about dobes is they are so sort of wanting to be close to you anyway so that is helpful for the tethering. She is smart tho and seems to learn fast, promise of good things to come

Aw very touching story about Amy, Beaumont67.. I don’t know that most of us mere mortals will live up to your training advice perfectly but at least it gives us a picture of what to aspire to!
I agree with Mel that many things are "train what matters to you." I like my dogs on the furniture with me, so they get to come up. I don't care if my dogs "beg" for food, as long as they aren't obnoxious about it...so as long as they are sitting or down and a decent distance from us when we're eating, it doesn't bug me. If we have company, I simply pop them in their crates. When we walk, it's for them, so they don't need to walk "at heel", they just need to walk with a reasonably loose leash and not pull my arm off. I can't stand crazy barking ALL the time, so I set up my house in ways that generally prevent excessive barking. My dogs only bark when there's something that really needs barking at and I know it means something.

In terms of "correcting" behavior - so much depends on what the behavior is. At this age, for me, it would depend on whether it's a safety issue or not. I do believe dogs need to learn what is and isn't correct, but with puppies I don't do a lot of "correcting" unless we're talking about things that are unsafe, and I also try to manage their environments so they simply can't make mistakes. For my dogs, being incorrect and not getting a reward is also being "wrong" in training. But again, it really depends - is there something in particular you're asking about?
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I guess we can all agree to disagree.

It’s not my first dog, first Doberman etc. I have had dogs in my whole life. Before moving to the states I worked with my dobermans. I have done exactly that.. dog. H my side 24/7 watched every one their moves.
That was a time I realized it’s the worst thing you can do to any dogs.
The separation anxiety they develop is no fun at all. The constant crying and tearing things apart when you live the house even for a short period of time.
That said I disagree with “ attach the dog to your side “ I don’t need another dog who goes crazy when I’m not around.

Each time my pup chewed up something was when I left the house. Went to get the mail and the neighbor said hi, talked for 10 min came in and the remote was in million pieces. I have created a monster by always having him with me. Lucky he is very young and talking to my old friend who is a trainer in Eu opened my eyes as to what is happening. So crate training began. Every day added just a little time.. he only got a chew bone ( no bedding because yep they can tear that apart if they angry and that fluffy stuff can cause blockage) in just a week he learned to stay in the crate NO crying and does not throw any fit. Now I can leave the door open and he still goes inside to sleep. It has become his safe place - which should be your goal


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Starting when a puppy is young, you need to get him used to being alone. At first, you may need to just make short trips out of the house and then lengthen them as time goes on. But because a puppy is likely to get into trouble if he is left unmonitored, he should be in a crate, x-pen or puppy-proofed room when he is alone.

Another tidbit...when you are working on teaching the puppy to be happy (or at least resigned) when he is alone, you never release him or pay a lot of attention to him while he is pitching a fuss in his crate, safe room, pen. Wait until he is quiet before you "rescue" him.

When a puppy (or adult dog) is free, your eyeballs need to be on him at all times until he has proven that he can remain alone without getting into trouble. Some dogs never get to that stage. They might be what you consider to be fairly old before they are safe in the house loose...mine have been OK at around 7-8 months, but that might be a bit young. But it is better that you over monitor than under-monitor. Once a habit is developed it can be very difficult to train away from.

When you are housebreaking, it is very important to keep a puppy under close supervision (your eyeballs on him whenever he is free in your house). Some people find it easier if they tether the dog to them. You can use the same method to make sure you are monitoring an adult dog closely to help break any bad habit he has developed (destroying furniture!!).

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I guess we can all agree to disagree.

It’s not my first dog, first Doberman etc. I have had dogs in my whole life. Before moving to the states I worked with my dobermans. I have done exactly that.. dog. H my side 24/7 watched every one their moves.
That was a time I realized it’s the worst thing you can do to any dogs.
The separation anxiety they develop is no fun at all. The constant crying and tearing things apart when you live the house even for a short period of time.
That said I disagree with “ attach the dog to your side “ I don’t need another dog who goes crazy when I’m not around.

Each time my pup chewed up something was when I left the house. Went to get the mail and the neighbor said hi, talked for 10 min came in and the remote was in million pieces. I have created a monster by always having him with me. Lucky he is very young and talking to my old friend who is a trainer in Eu opened my eyes as to what is happening. So crate training began. Every day added just a little time.. he only got a chew bone ( no bedding because yep they can tear that apart if they angry and that fluffy stuff can cause blockage) in just a week he learned to stay in the crate NO crying and does not throw any fit. Now I can leave the door open and he still goes inside to sleep. It has become his safe place - which should be your goal


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If I at all implied puppies should be tethered to you 24/7, please let me clarify - nope! Puppies should be tethered to you when you're home, they aren't crated, and you need to watch them.

I actually am very deliberate about leaving puppies home alone. In fact, you could find a lot of posts of mine here on DT where I warn people who state that their puppies will go to work with them, and spend "all their time with them" that that's a bad idea! Dobermans are already pretty clingy, so it's really important to teach puppies that it's okay to be left alone.

I also think it's really important to keep up on crate skills even as an adult, if you let your dog be loose in the house. Dogs may need to be crated if they are boarded, or need to stay overnight at the vet, or something like that.

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If I at all implied puppies should be tethered to you 24/7, please let me clarify - nope! Puppies should be tethered to you when you're home, they aren't crated, and you need to watch them.



I actually am very deliberate about leaving puppies home alone. In fact, you could find a lot of posts of mine here on DT where I warn people who state that their puppies will go to work with them, and spend "all their time with them" that that's a bad idea! Dobermans are already pretty clingy, so it's really important to teach puppies that it's okay to be left alone.



I also think it's really important to keep up on crate skills even as an adult, if you let your dog be loose in the house. Dogs may need to be crated if they are boarded, or need to stay overnight at the vet, or something like that.



Sorry if that was unclear!


I guess I misread your post.
I really love my dogs, I spend as much time I can with them etc. but I cannot tolerate clinging not from my kids my hubby or my dogs. I feel we ALL need our personal space. I love the fact my dogs are all crate trained. They actually love their crate and like I said even the door wide open they sleep in it. After the crazy couch incident I stopped feeling bad locking his little rear end in the crate. ( I got unused to having such a fragile puppy after my newfs who at 6 month weigh more than an adult dobie) but, I don’t regret it at all.. it’s pretty amazing to know I can leave the house and not come back to a torn couch or remote and don’t have to do a 24/7 watch to make sure he didn’t swallow some stuff.
Aside the crate he has a spot for his bed and usually sleeps there during the day. He now asks out if he has to go potty which I’m very please with. Opposed to my Newfs he is a sponge when it comes to learning.

As for the digging on the yard. It’s channeling energy in my opinion and it is harmless, in the past +20 years of owning dogs all my dogs were diggers and non draw blood or became aggressive. Perhaps if you love your garden and have flower or crops.... it’s a different story. We bought a house with a bigger yard for the dogs only. I cut grass and that’s it for me being outside.
So I’m consistent that my dogs can dig and run or collect leaves or branches on my yard, or my dobie dragging the water lilies out the creek. It’s their place and their place for a little freedom.


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