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Advice for "Stubborn" Dobe/Side Flopping/Rollover

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I've recently adopted my foster Dobe Eileen (I've posted previously about her). She's approximately 7-years, no history as she was found as a stray and rescued from a Cali kill shelter. I feel as though she's had little, if any, training.

We've accomplished "sit," and are still working on "wait" and "come". She actually does rather well walking on the leash. The issue I'm having is that she 'side flops' or rolls over on her back when she doesn't want to do something (like come inside or get in the car). At first I read this as extreme submissiveness (possibly from abuse) behavior. However, the more I observe her and get to know her, I'm seeing it more as "Nope, don't want to. Can't make me."

The most recent example: As it was a beautiful day yesterday, she spent much of the day basking in the yard. She had had one walk already, but I needed to run some errands before walk #2. She would not budge when I called her to come inside. No treats, no toys would do. I tried to rouse her with exuberant belly rubs and excitement. Nope. Next I got the leash and tried to coax her further. Nope. On her side or back, holding fast. And the look in her eye told me she was not happy with me. So, I tried lifting her to get her on her feet. She went on her back and even yelped. I know I didn't hurt her as I was being as gentle as I could. Ultimately it took me 15 minutes to get her inside.

She does this same thing for "last call" to go potty if she's comfy and snoozing. Same with getting into the car (which we're still working on).

I know Dobes have a rep for stubbornness, but my previous Dobe was nothing of the sort. She would have walked across hots coals if I had commanded her. Lol. Even my Chi isn't this resistant.

So, does anyone have suggestions? I've researched some, but haven't found immensely helpful info yet. I want to handle this appropriately and hopefully reverse the behavior.
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Have you thought of hiring a trainer? whereabouts do you live and maybe we could give you some suggestions?

1. How long has she been in her house. I'd suggest trying to use treats to coax her the first month high value treats like chicken, steak, hotdog, cheese, liver... She's just getting to know you and your ways. If treats won't work then force her, not aggressively just politely, with a sweet high voice grab her collar and have her do what was asked.

2. If this was my dog plain and simple I'd make her. You were given a command, you'll obey it or I'll force you to obey it. But before doing so I'd also make sure she understands recall (or what is being asked) and I would use high value treats like chicken to work on her recall (or whatever you're asking for). Same with getting in and out of the car. For instance, my dogs HATE having their nails trimmed but when I sit on the floor with my bag of high value treats and Dremel they come and lay down for a nail trim. Why? because if they don't I'm not afraid to grab their collar and make them. I also make it worth their while by spoiling them with treats in between trimmings. They have learned if they fight it's way worse than if they comply because it's GOING to happen, like it or not.


Thank you for rescuing and much luck.
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Have you thought of hiring a trainer? whereabouts do you live and maybe we could give you some suggestions?

1. How long has she been in her house. I'd suggest trying to use treats to coax her the first month high value treats like chicken, steak, hotdog, cheese, liver... She's just getting to know you and your ways. If treats won't work then force her, not aggressively just politely, with a sweet high voice grab her collar and have her do what was asked.

2. If this was my dog plain and simple I'd make her. You were given a command, you'll obey it or I'll force you to obey it. But before doing so I'd also make sure she understands recall (or what is being asked) and I would use high value treats like chicken to work on her recall (or whatever you're asking for). Same with getting in and out of the car. For instance, my dogs HATE having their nails trimmed but when I sit on the floor with my bag of high value treats and Dremel they come and lay down for a nail trim. Why? because if they don't I'm not afraid to grab their collar and make them. I also make it worth their while by spoiling them with treats in between trimmings. They have learned if they fight it's way worse than if they comply because it's GOING to happen, like it or not.


Thank you for rescuing and much luck.
There are NO treats - chicken steak, etc. - so far that I've found that will move her when she's not wanting to. She won't even get out of her bed for the snack - even if she wants it. I put it to her nose and she tries to take it, but I back away and command her to come...she sits there staring at me. I've even left it on the floor and walked away. She wouldn't get out of her bed for it.

And any move to handle her collar sends her to the ground. It's difficult to "make" a 60lb dog do anything, really. As I said when I attempted to lift her she yelped. I tired pushing her butt along the ground, then she finally got up.

I've had her since Feb 5th. She was sick for the first two weeks though, so she had also been recovering for part of her stay.

I live western WA, an hour north of Seattle. A trainer may be where I have to go next.
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She's new to you, and I wouldn't at all think she understands what you're asking her. Sometimes finding what motivates a dog can be challenging, and not knowing her history can make it more challenging, but I'd be working on finding what motivates her. Chicken and steak are only two of a vast array of potential foods (and food is only ONE thing). Does green tripe make her lose her mind with joy (you can try the canned version in a food tube)? How about braunsweiger? Stinky cheese like feta or blue cheese? Canned dog food? Hot dogs? Have you tried lots of these various things in situations that are NOT stressful for her to figure out the thing that she really likes? Are there toys she goes nuts for - a squeaky ball, a tug toy, a piece of real fur? Right now, this early in the relationship, I'd be doing a lot of simply building a relationship with her, motivating her to WANT to work with me. Helping her understand that you are the source of awesome things (AND, that the things she really, really likes only come from you), and that those things happen when she does something you like. A dog like this might really respond well to clicker training, too, because it will be crystal clear when she does something correct and has earned a reward. I'd teach her what the clicker means, and I'd be clicking her all the time, so that she learns that she can earn good stuff all the time.

I would also start using at least part of her meal time as training, to help with the bonding. Just very simple things, and not the whole meal. Things you've seen her be successful at.

I wouldn't force her, because I don't think at this stage it's clear that she knows what you want.


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She's new to you, and I wouldn't at all think she understands what you're asking her. Sometimes finding what motivates a dog can be challenging, and not knowing her history can make it more challenging, but I'd be working on finding what motivates her. Chicken and steak are only two of a vast array of potential foods (and food is only ONE thing). Does green tripe make her lose her mind with joy (you can try the canned version in a food tube)? How about braunsweiger? Stinky cheese like feta or blue cheese? Canned dog food? Hot dogs? Have you tried lots of these various things in situations that are NOT stressful for her to figure out the thing that she really likes? Are there toys she goes nuts for - a squeaky ball, a tug toy, a piece of real fur? Right now, this early in the relationship, I'd be doing a lot of simply building a relationship with her, motivating her to WANT to work with me. Helping her understand that you are the source of awesome things (AND, that the things she really, really likes only come from you), and that those things happen when she does something you like. A dog like this might really respond well to clicker training, too, because it will be crystal clear when she does something correct and has earned a reward. I'd teach her what the clicker means, and I'd be clicking her all the time, so that she learns that she can earn good stuff all the time.

I would also start using at least part of her meal time as training, to help with the bonding. Just very simple things, and not the whole meal. Things you've seen her be successful at.

I wouldn't force her, because I don't think at this stage it's clear that she knows what you want.
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The "inside" is a command she does know now. I've working on that from the beginning I when return from a walk and when letting her in the house after potty or time in the yard. I think at least in the situation I explained, she simply did not want to come in. She did it the other day when she was out in the yard and I wanted to take her for a walk...she knows what "want a walk?" means too. I had to take her through the back gate instead of through the house. She didn't want to do inside.

I am trying various food motivators, but she's proven a picky eater, too.

I've considered the clicker training, too, but held off as she was even frightened of the loud click her collar made when connected it. Took her a few days to get that collar(and noise) was a happy thing that lead to a walk (and lots of praise and ear rubbing).
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I agree with MeadowCat. You've had her barely a month, she's been sick, and there's no telling what she went through before you got her. You need to find something that gets her going. (Some dogs are a hard nut to crack, for sure.) Forcing her could destroy whatever trust she has in you, and not something I would do unless life and limb was on the line.

One thing that might help you is this class, called Relationship Building Through Play. https://www.fenzidogsportsacademy.co...php/courses/20 Tuition starts at only $65 for a six week class (and there is a scholarship program if even that is a stretch), and there is a really supportive Facebook community that comes along with it.


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The "inside" is a command she does know now. I've working on that from the beginning I when return from a walk and when letting her in the house after potty or time in the yard. I think at least in the situation I explained, she simply did not want to come in. She did it the other day when she was out in the yard and I wanted to take her for a walk...she knows what "want a walk?" means too. I had to take her through the back gate instead of through the house. She didn't want to do inside.

I am trying various food motivators, but she's proven a picky eater, too.

I've considered the clicker training, too, but held off as she was even frightened of the loud click her collar made when connected it. Took her a few days to get that collar(and noise) was a happy thing that lead to a walk (and lots of praise and ear rubbing).
You might try a click of a pen, if you want to try out a "clicker" type of training with her. That very soft click often works with dogs that are sound sensitive.


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Just in case....are you absolutely sure she doesn't have something like sore hips or spine which makes her a little reluctant to get up anyway?

Is she reluctant to sit (as opposed to standing there waiting) or slow to stand up even when she seems to want to come with you? Or is her posture a bit odd...sort of crouching in back, with maybe poor muscle development in her back legs?

Kip had a bad back the last couple of years of his life...he didn't hobble or move that poorly, but there were times when you could just tell his back felt bad.


It sounds like you've got the right "diagnosis" for Eileen, but I always consider the possibility of a health problem when I'm trying to figure out why my dog is acting a certain way.
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Nah, she's pretty quick to spring up from lying or sitting when she wants to and no problem sitting. She sits often on her own when we're walking and I ask her to wait.
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I reread my response, and decided I wanted to make a correction to it. When I said your "diagnosis" might be right, I really meant that you are probably dealing with a behavioral glitch, not a physical problem like I was describing.

Making allowances for her first few sick weeks, you've really only had her for a month as a healthy dog. You may just be expecting too much too soon, especially since you have no idea about her previous history. She is also seven and likely a little less flexible and slower to change a previously learned behavior than a younger dog.

Under these circumstances, I don't think "stubborn" is an appropriate label for her flopping/rollover response to you.

Take a look at this for some perspective about helping a new adoptee to adjust:

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So as a follow-up to my previous post---I think right now, I'd just assume that she doesn't understand what you'd like her to do. It's also possible that she just may not be able to meet your demands right now, that she isn't totally sure of her relationship with you, and doesn't have enough of an attachment to you yet to really be trying to please you. And apparently she's learned previously that a particular behavior (flop and lie there) "works". "Works" to defuse a situation she may not be comfortable with, and/or to help her avoid a demand being made of her.

Either way, dealing with her will take some time, and some confidence and relationship building, and probably some breaking of old habits. Keep your tone with her happy, upbeat, inviting...no corrections at this point.

You *might* have some success if you just sort of "assume" that she will follow you....go to her (don't just call from across the yard), invite her along, turn your back, move away from her, keep inviting her with your excited voice, food, whatever rings her bell and see if she'll follow you. It's possible you're putting a little too much direct pressure on her and triggering a response you don't want. Above all, you don't want to use force, or drag her up and around by the collar.


There are a couple of tricks that I've used with a dog who is purposely ignoring me whom I NEED to get to come to me on an emergency basis.

1. Call them and run away from them.
2. In her case, get down at her level and bounce around to get her to move.
3. Pretend....bend over and look at something interesting on the ground. Pick it up and exaggeratedly pretend to eat it.
4. Lie down on the ground; her curiosity may get her to come investigate.

You'd only want to try these a couple of times, but you *might* be able to use tricks like these to break the ice and help her find out that there is something better that she can do instead of just limply lying there. And whenever a dog is moving toward you at all, even if they've been running away or ignoring you for 10 minutes, ALWAYS praise them as they come toward you. And definitely until you have a proven track record to her of being trustworthy, and fun to be with, never call her to come to you when you need to correct her or trade a fun activity for something unpleasant.



A personal story that might illustrate what I am trying to say:

We have a cattle dog we adopted as a 2 year old somewhat recently. He came to us with a severe mouthing problem (grab hands and crunch, not viciously, just OW!!.)

As time went on, it became obvious that the times when he was likely to fall apart and start frantically mouthing were, one, when he was really overexcited and had lost all ability to control himself, but even more when he didn't quite understand what we wanted him to do, if something was uncomfortable or was something that he was uncertain about, basically at times where his trust in us was lacking; we were putting too much pressure on him and he was unwilling or afraid.

It didn't look that way on the surface...he just looked like he had been allowed to play too roughly and because he is a mix of breeds that you can expect to be tough and mouthy, we sorta just thought he had been allowed to get away with stuff and get his kicks by being bossy and rough.

But instead, it seems that he had learned that if he was uncomfortable and too much was being demanded of him, mouthing was a way he could get away with not having to deal with it.

But I wouldn't call that stubborn, even though it has been quite hard to correct his behavior and is definitely a work in progress. I WOULD call it the behavior of a dog who has learned no other way to respond to what is being asked of him. Stubborn in the sense of purposely trying to manipulate isn't quite what is going on; they're doing what they have learned works for them. You just need to find a way to teach that there is something better to do that will be more comfortable and rewarding than what they've been doing; for her, something to replace that roll over and flop routine.

It's going to take time, positive working with her, appropriate rewards. As you get to know each other better, as you've built a relationship to the point where she really does want to please you and be with you, then you can work a little bit on "Come means come" But I'm thinking that it is too soon for you to start working on that.
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A dog will do just about anything if it's worth it...........so make it "worth it".

To figure out what that is ........try doing less and just being present with him ........while your just sitting together ...or sitting outside under the shade trees etc. ....... study your pup. Learn to read your pup.

IMO we live in such a fast paced world.......sometimes at the beginning less is best ........giving time for trust and confidence to build.

Suggest taking a month to really watch pups body language .....do this for 15 minutes or so daily ..........seriously......I actually did this with Hoss. Had an impact on all aspects of training later on.

After a fews weeks of this "studying" you will be able to determine what "activates" that sparkle in pups eyes thus motivating pup to engage with you later on during training sessions.

It is a fun head game really......it took me some time and frustration to figure out my pup was talking to me all the time........I was not reading him back.
So I figured OK ....your going to study me.....well dog gone it ....I am going to study you back........that's when I started to make distance during training sessions.

Now as I watch Hoss............I know that he is studying my every move .
The expressions on my face, tone of my voice, he can even vibe if I am pissed at him for something even though I am not speaking to him.
So in turn I have become more cautious about the messages I am sending to him daily via verbal and non verbal communications.
Now.....(after 2 years of doing this) I can actually predict when it's time to:
call the game over
go out to pee
or if his getting ready to pounce on a lizard..etc etc.
You see.... every look he presents is different and through repetition I have taught myself to read him.
BUT ....it took daily studying to get to this level.....for instance ....
When he thinks I have not gotten out of bed quick enough .....he repeatedly makes this sneezing sound or squeeks this toy.
When it time for his play time after dinner .....he stands in front of the TV and stares at me. No sounds ...just stares.
When he wants a cookie... he air bites.
All of this is fun......especially when you find your read is correct ...more and more as time goes by.....Try it...it's fun!
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So as a follow-up to my previous post---I think right now, I'd just assume that she doesn't understand what you'd like her to do. It's also possible that she just may not be able to meet your demands right now, that she isn't totally sure of her relationship with you, and doesn't have enough of an attachment to you yet to really be trying to please you. And apparently she's learned previously that a particular behavior (flop and lie there) "works". "Works" to defuse a situation she may not be comfortable with, and/or to help her avoid a demand being made of her.

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Boy there are a lot of great Reponses on here .

Meadowcat brought a good point - That she has not been with you long and just don't understand what you want her to do - Just like getting her as a new little puppy . It could be the lack of training when she was a pup - she just did what she wanted to do and that was OK .

Mel - After reading all the posts - this is where I going - she is 7 ! And as you said - no history on her - she could have some Arthritis in her - I found that as all our dogs got older - when the sun came out and the patio was nice and warm - they will lay out there forever - Like there laying on a big heating pad = it feels good .

Or - it could be what I call Doberman Dementia ! All of ours has got this from time to time ! They forget there name - no recall - it's if they had NO training in there life ! For this - I have found a force sounding call to them with a hand clap - to help them snap them out of there Dementia : )

Now Ali girl had a bout with this a couple of times this winter - Sun was shining - but still pretty cold out - I let her go out to potty - she would do her deal - then just goof around out there - I would call her and it was like she was in another world - So - I told to have fun out there and shut the door and would sit back down here at the desk - Wife came out and asked where Ali was ? I told her outside - she wouldn't come - Wife said but it's cold and you left her out ? Yep was my reply ! About that time - She was banging on the backdoor with her paw - lmao ! I still left her out for a few more minutes - Boy was she glad when I let her back in ! From then on - all I have to do to bring back her memory when she won't come in - is to start to shut the door - here she comes : )

Ali has also is hard to get up sometimes for her last bathroom deal before bed - she has her nest built and I want her to go out ?? I don't think so dad ! I will stand at the door and ask her nice to lets go ! Then she will sort of show dad a few teeth - its her way and not wanting to - now the funny part - I will again clap my hands and tell her to get her A Double S up and lets go - she will get up and have a low growl - like she is mumbling to herself - it's funny .

Now after this ramble ? I think I would start at ground zero with her with training - I found that when working with any of ours - that you become a team - bonding time - the trust factor comes in and being a rescue - that maybe a big thing for her to over come .

You will get it figured out and have fun doing it

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braunsweiger ??????? Meadowcat must have German in her !!! lol

Now - I would have to fight the dog over who gets that : ))
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Then she will sort of show dad a few teeth - its her way and not wanting to - now the funny part - I will again clap my hands and tell her to get her A Double S up and lets go - she will get up and have a low growl - like she is mumbling to herself - it's funny .

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Kenny that show of teeth--that's what you call a "s**t eating grin" I've had a couple of dogs that did that and a couple of dogs that mumbled about things they didn't want to do--and one cat--Clark had a tiny squeak he emits when he's doing something I want ("GET OFF THE TV CLARK!" and he really doesn't want to do.

Cracks me up I try not to laugh because it's a guarantee he'll continue to do it.

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Kenny that show of teeth--that's what you call a "s**t eating grin" I've had a couple of dogs that did that and a couple of dogs that mumbled about things they didn't want to do--and one cat--Clark had a tiny squeak he emits when he's doing something I want ("GET OFF THE TV CLARK!" and he really doesn't want to do.

Cracks me up I try not to laugh because it's a guarantee he'll continue to do it.

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Mocha has her way of letting her displeasure be known...she lets out a low moan, *almost* same one she does when I scratch the inside of her ears or when she stretches. For example, if she's bugging us and we want some peace and quiet and tell her to lay down, she'll flop down and moan to let us know she's not a happy camper right now. Cracks me up.
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Yup, the complainer and the air snapper...

Not quite as obvious as usual on this video, but.....


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Yup, the complainer and the air snapper...

Not quite as obvious as usual on this video, but.....


LOL, yep that's it...and Mocha does the air snapping too!
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Hi AtlanticGirl, you’ve had a lot of great advice from other members but I thought I’d chime in also. I tend to agree with everyone that she probably doesn’t know what you want from her and the laying down and refusing my be a way of submission from her. Remember she is a rescue and you you have no idea what happened to her in the past. She very well may have gotten smacked for not complying. I would start with the basics, treat her like she is a puppy. Do several training sessions with her throughout the day, this will accomplish two things. 1. Teach her the commands you want her to know and 2. Most importantly build a bond with her, she needs to learn to trust you and that new come from compliance. I’ve never used a clicker before but instead use the word “yes” in a very happy tone. This marks the behavior for my dogs and might help your girl since she is afraid of a clicker sound. Gretchen, said that if her dogs don’t do what they are asked, she makes them, plain and simple. I 100% agree with this, for a dog that knows commands I don’t think your dog is quite there yet.

I would stop calling her in the house because you know she is not going to comply. I would quietly go up to her, snap a leash on her and give her a gentle tug and say lets go, if she gets up then it’s a jackpot! Praise the crap out of her and give her something high value as a treat. Work on Come separately, I love restrained recalls for this. Have a friend or spouse hold her leash (use a flat buckle collar), play with her and get her really excited, when she’s at her peak run away from her, person holding the leash should be like a tree, they don’t say anything or correct her just hold her leash, hopefully she’ll want to chase you and be at the end of the leash, turn around and say come in an excited tone, your helper should immediate drop the leash and if she comes it’s a party!

I’ve found that freeze dried chicken hearts are like doggy crack, you could also try cooked calf liver or chicken gizzards. Toys are a great way to work on drive too, play with her, when you win the toy give a command, start with something simple like sit. When she does it she wins the toy. Re,ember this should be fun! If your neighbors look at you like you’re crazy, then you’re doing it right!
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For a dog who isn't responding to normal high value treats and really needs to be responsive to get training started--here are a a few treat types that haven't been suggested that I've used in the past while training (or detraining ) other peoples dogs or mine for particularly hard things they are trying to learn.

Pork liver will make a lot of dogs sit up and cross their eyes for you. I gave a chunk to a long time professional handler who was going in the ring with a dog who was notorious for being very hard to get to alert in the ring. That handler came out begging to know what the heck I'd given him. It's also a little hard to find--Asian markets will almost always have it--I prep it the same way I do any liver. Simmer for 15 or 20 minutes--put pn a rack in the oven at low temperature (250 degrees) for 1/2 hour or until dry. I leave some in chuncks and cut some up into very small size treat pieces. The chuncks I use to get a dog to move/to put it's ears up/to look at me intently/to look with interest at a piece I've thrown. The little pieces are for rewards while doing well at something--getting up/coming to me/walking on leash.

The other thing that I also use is cat treats--I trained my Afghan Hound entirely on Pounce--a cat treat that was a perfect size for a quick reward when training obedience. I used the cat treat that was just small sized pieces of greenies to jump start an aging dogs appetite. He'd eat but if I threw two or three of the little greenies on his meal by the time he found them his appetite had gotten a jump start and he'd finish his meal promptly. I've used a variety of cat treats--use whatever a dog will respond to. For the record one of my cats think the Toad's ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach kibble is the best thing ever--he'll sit up and beg for it--so if you are training cats....

Good luck--I think that very slow progress is what is going to work--sound like a dog who got smacked around a lot and whose only recourse was to lay down and play dead.
Sometimes makes it very hard to find something that will active dogs like that--trust is the real ticket.

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Our agility teacher uses cheez whiz on the target lid (canned spray cheese--I don't think it's called Cheez Whiz anymore--actually, I don't think it's really cheese anymore either) to reward the teeter totter. I guess that's one of the toughest obstacles for the dogs to be comfortable with and cheez whiz seems to hit almost all dogs' greed button. We're kinda supposed to use a cue word as one of our ways to direct the dog to various obstacles (jump, tunnel, walk, weave, etc.....) She says a fair chunk of her student use "Cheez Whiz" for the teeter.
Liverwurst is another...I see that's been recommended already by MC.

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...For the record one of my cats think the Toad's ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach kibble is the best thing ever--he'll sit up and beg for it--so if you are training cats....
Trip loves it too. He usually comes through and grabs a bit before HE lets the dog eat. DogDog is not that enthusiastic an eater anyway, so he just stands there politely and waits his turn. Or at least waits until I shove the cat out of the way with my foot.

That cat's got him properly cowed.
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