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Devastated. My puppy bit someone

We rescued a Doberman puppy about a month ago. I thought my broken heart was finally healed after losing my heart dog to DCM, then rescuing a dog who wound up being really aggressive and had to be given back to the shelter. She’s 5 months old and we thought she was so amazing. She’s been great with us and our kids. She’s great when people come to the house and good with kids at the park, and she’s been doing well with other dogs. Polar opposite from the dog we had adopted before her, or so we thought. Some issues we have learned since rescuing her are that she will bolt out the door if given the chance and run down the street. She seems to be afraid of men, probably because the man she was with was very rough with her. She’ll pee of my husband pets her or picks her up but she’s wagging her tail and isn’t aggressive with him. And if someone approaches us quickly at the park she will barkl/lunge at them. We’ve been working to desensitize her to fast moving things like cars and people and just being vigilant about her not getting the opportunity to run out the door.

Tonight was a freak accident type of thing. I was home alone with the kids and dog. We were in the garage getting stuff for the Christmas tree and my daughter thought it would be funny to lock the door from the inside so we were trapped in the garage. So I grabbed the dog by the collar and opened the garage and we all walked around to the front door. I had my other baby in my other arm so I let go of the collar for just a second while I punched in our door code. I was telling her “stay” which she’s been pretty good at but she bolted down the street.

I heard her barking and our neighbors yelling. So I ran down the street with my kid following me and my baby in my arms and she was barking at the neighbor a few houses down. They said she bit one of the guys on the back of the leg. He was kicking at her when I got to them trying to get her to go away and she was barking at him. I was so shocked and apologized profusely once I got ahold of her collar. He said he was okay. His girl friend came to our house an hour later asking about shots and said our puppy broke skin. She has all her shots and I apologized again. She seemed nice but obviously not that happy because of what had just happened. She said she had dogs all her life and if our dog was acting like that at this age then we are going to have issues when she’s bigger and will need to get her under control. I know she’s not wrong. I’m so shocked and upset. I don’t know what to do. I think I will bring them a gift basket tomorrow and hope and pray they don’t want to sue us or something. I don’t know them that well. I’ve only met them a couple times and say hi when we are walking down the street.

And as for our dog I don’t know what to do about that either. My husband already said no to hiring a trainer. I feel stuck. She’s only 5 months old. I really could use advice and resources on what we can do to help her and hopefully train her ourselves to make her less reactive or whatever it is that caused her to bite. I know she saw the guy and his girlfriend arguing in the front yard an hour before because when we walked by they went inside their house and our dog barked. So maybe that’s why she went back to that house? I don’t know. I’m just so so upset and in shock over this. I feel like such an idiot.
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It would be nice if you could find out exactly what happened--what your puppy did, how the people around her reacted--right before she bit the person. It might give you a better idea what you are dealing with.

Your husband said no to a trainer, but is there any way you could hire an animal behaviorist for a one-time evaluation?

Just guessing from what you said--a 5 month old puppy can be reactive or fearful definitely, but it seems unlikely to me she was biting out of pure aggressiveness. I would guess there was some reason she felt scared or trapped in the situation. It could have been an "understandable" reaction on her part based on what happened during the incident you describe or based on something she has experienced in her past, or it could be something based on an inborn unstable temperament.

She really needs an evaluation to help you know if you will be able to work with your pup, what kind of training and care she needs and whether she can be reached to help her live in your family.

In the meantime...DON'T leave her unsupervised around your children, even if she seems happy to accept them. You should also be very careful so that she doesn't get loose again...you cannot risk another episode like this one.


Where did you rescue her from? A rescue organization who has the resources to help you, or from an individual? Were you told any details about her past, or are you deciding she is afraid of men because of her past based on what you have seen?



Unfortunately, internet advice just won't cut it here...you need in-person advice from someone who is trained to evaluate situations like this. Perhaps if you can tell us where you are, someone here can come up with a referral for you??

If you can manage at all, please give her at least that much of a chance. If you do need to give her up, she will need an experienced owner. If she now has an unexplainable bite history, she cannot be placed in another home without a knowledgeable person involved to help find a place for her that will work.

Best of luck...please keep us informed. We want to help if we can.
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If you plan to keep this dog in your life training is a must.
Once negative habits like this begin it can become very labor intensive to turn that behavior around ....if ever.
Meanwhile your pup should always be on a lead and tied to your hip as you move around the house. When not supervised by you placed in a kennel or designated area of some type for some relaxation. Everyone needs to be on the same page regarding training.
There is so much that needs to be done pronto......do your homework because this dog is counting on YOU in order to be successful.
My trainer taught me this.......rule # 1..be a good advocate for your dog........you are on track because you are reaching out for help....so go the distance find a good trainer. You might be able to train on your own later... for now now make sure to get professional help of some kind.....
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If your husband said no to a trainer it might be time to hand her over to a rescue and allow them to find a suitable home. As mentioned, there's not really much internet advice that can be given. Someone with experience needs to help her. She needs a trainer, she also needs an ecollar if she tends to be an escape artist. Most dobermans need training, let me rephrase that, most doberman owners need training. Every once in a great while a dog comes along that doesn't but they're rare.

Since you have small children I was also suggest not rescuing for a while and instead pay good money to have a dog who's bred to have a good temperament. One wrong rescue could be detrimental to the children and adults bitten by dogs as children often grow up to be scared of dogs.

Best of luck to you, and your girl, may both of you find happiness.
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Curious....can you expand on why your husband would say no to training......just cannot believe he would say no to something that is obviously needed..in all fairness......why did he say no?
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An e-collar will need some training for the both of you, and oversight in your use of it by someone who is really familiar with dealing with dogs with a reactive temperament. At this point, I wouldn't recommend an e-collar--putting one on a fearful dog is asking for trouble. She will need a lot of groundwork and training first.

But you do need her under control...a leash in the house, especially when your kids are around, contained and monitored while outside, in a crate or dog-proof room when you can't watch her.

If you have her on a lead when the two of you are together in your home, it will help build her confidence and also give you an opportunity to learn to read her behavior and really notice what is going on in her world when she becomes upset or nervy. That will give you an idea of where to start and what to emphasize as you work with her.

She does have the advantage of her youth here, and can still be worked with and helped to overcome whatever bad experiences she may have had as a young puppy. But it is possible that you are not in a situation at the moment where you are the person who can do that. Try your best to find someone who can evaluate her, even if it is just for a one-time meeting, to help you figure out what the next step needs to be for you all.

If you do end up needing to give her up, find a reputable rescue organization to place her with. Tell them your experience with her. It would be unfair or even dangerous for those in her new home if they aren't prepared, and could be catastrophic for her if she ended up placed in a situation that she can't handle.

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Curious....can you expand on why your husband would say no to training......just cannot believe he would say no to something that is obviously needed..in all fairness......why did he say no?
It’s because of money. We spent a lot of money on our dog that got DCM, and then some money on the dog we rescued for vet bills before this dog. He says he’s done spending money on dogs. And we really can’t afford the $2000+ it costs for behavior modification.

I talked to our neighbor and brought him a gift. He was really cool and understanding about it. He even still wants our kids to have a play date and for our dogs to meet to help us figure out her triggers, which I probably will not be doing, but still nice he offered. I saw his leg and he has a tiny scratch from the bite. He said our dog ran down a few houses and was barking at the two women who were outside. He went out there and was going to his car and our puppy bit him on the back of the leg and let go right away.

I’m still so shocked. She has been like basically perfect to us. She’s so good with us and the kids. Aside from the things I talked about in my initial post she’s been a great dog. Really sweet and loving and gentle with all of us.

We already had to give back one dog. I know that dog wasn’t our fault at all but I’m just going to feel like the hugest failure if we have to give her away too. We didn’t rescue her from a shelter. We rescued her from some a-hole guy.
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Part of me feels like we can manage this. We’ve been taking her to the puppy socialization classes at the pet store and she does great with the dogs and all the people. But last night it was dark and this guy was wearing a hoodie so maybe she was just scared of him.

But then part of me also knows it just takes her getting out once and hurting someone for both of our lives to be ruined. So I don’t know ☹️
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Your description of the situation doesn't sound quite as bad as your first post seemed.

Do continue with your socialization of her, keeping an eye on her so you can pick up on her first signs of discomfort. Ideally, you want to expose her to as many new places, situations and people as you can without going over her comfort level. Let her go at her own pace when she is exploring new things. The classes you are in should help her too...she can be introduced to dogs and strangers, but in a controlled situation so she can back off when she needs to.

Her peeing when she is approached by your husband is a sign of submission and discomfort. There are some ways to help her with that. This article, for example, gives a few hints on how to deal with it.
https://www.humanesociety.org/resour...tion-solutions


I wouldn't take your neighbor up on getting your two dogs together until you really know your pup and have a good handle on her behavior. Even then it wouldn't necessarily be a good idea. Dobes as adults aren't really that interested in other dogs anyway, and the last thing you want is for her to mess up again with the neighbor's dog.

Of course, keep her on a leash when you are out and about, keep up your vigilance when you are near kids and other strangers, and be extra careful to make sure she won't get out of your yard again. If your kids have friends over, you should keep her on a leash with you in direct control. By all means expose her to the kids; don't lock her away, but she shouldn't allowed to be in the middle of things. Work on those puppy manners; that will make a huge difference in your lives together.

I hear you about the money (we've been the vet route too) but shouldn't be terribly horribly expensive to bring someone in for a one-time evaluation who can see her in her everyday environment and give you some specific pointers about what you should and should not be doing. Make it clear exactly what your concerns are and what you expect from the behaviorist, and see if you can find someone who will come in for a one-time visit. It would probably be worth it for you to explore that option.

Do avoid going to anyone who suggests any kind of negative or punitive action to work with her problems. At this point, that is not what she needs from you and would in all likelihood make her behavior much worse.


You now know a little more about how she will react when she's under a bit of pressure and unsure of her environment. It's up to you to help her gain confidence and achieve some balance.
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Although obedience training is an expense, it's something you spend on now that you don't really have to spend on later. You take the classes, get her out there learning stuff, you learn stuff and then you can continue on with what you learned at home on your own, you can even watch videos for more training advice. In the grand scheme of things, it's a minor expense that could save you the cost of a lawsuit later at worst. It's not this dog's fault that the previous dogs had medical expenses or whatever. Every dog comes with some expense. You don't get to skip what this dog needs because of what the others needed. Your husband is being completely unreasonable about this. I mean, if you spend some money on your first kid, does the next one go without? I don't think so.

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The pup needs training classes, at the very least. With a Dobe puppy, for me, that would be non-negotiable.
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Well certainly training classes would be best ......BUT.....just thinking since money is the issue .....and sounds like Mamato4 is willing to do some work ......consider this.......YouTube training videos ......anyone out there want to suggest some YouTube trainers that would be good for her to follow? Just a thought to help out our little sharky.......
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I guess it depends on what training style your pup needs, but I really like Positive Training on youtube. He's pretty detailed with the how-to's! His camera angles can be kind of awkward at times, but I believe he knows his pup training stuff! Here's his channel if anyone is interested! https://www.youtube.com/user/tab289

Should mention he typically uses clicker type training!

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I agree with Mary - not training is just not an option. I also agree with Gretchen and am going to say that this may not be the best fit for this puppy...it sounds like you are a very busy home with young kids, and this puppy has some issues...some shyness, a bit of anxiety, and that you aren't all on the same page with training. A pup like this needs MORE work than a typical puppy with sound temperament (and THEY need a lot of work!), and I'm just going to be honest that I don't see a good outcome here without significant changes. I think it would be in the best interests of this puppy, and your family, to return her to the rescue and have them place her with someone who is better equipped to handle these issues.

I think your family would be much better served by taking some time to really get on the same page about the next dog, to make sure it's the right fit for everyone, that you all agree on training, expenses, etc, and that you find a dog that has a good, stable temperament. Whether that means you save up and wait and work with a great breeder (and the time and expense that takes, as well as finding the right fit for you), or, that you work with a rescue that will actually find a good fit for your family, I would really recommend that you do that. There are great family dogs in rescue, but it doesn't sound like this rescue did the right work to properly place this puppy.
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That is very worrisome behavior for any 5 month old puppy- to go towards someone and then bite. If a dog bites it's almost always out of fear, like if she were startled or cornered but from the way you describe it, or the neighbor's recollection, that's not what happened.

If everything went down as described I honestly worry that this is not so much a training or socialization issue but more something rooted in her genetics. Do you know any of her past? You say you rescued her but did you know the breeder or previous owner and get any kind of information on her backstory?

If this were my puppy I would definitely be taking her to puppy class and puppy obedience class, keeping her on leash at all times, and doing everything in my power to not let her get out of your house. If it means putting some kind of blockade or baby gate in front of the door to your garage or front door by all means, DO.
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An awesome online resource for training and other related things is http://fenzidogsportsacademy.com
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Cannot imagine a puppy this young running up to a stranger and biting. Extremely unusual behavior which calls for immediate evaluation by a behaviorist and lots of very carefully planned training. And, actually, I cannot even imagine a Doberman that constantly tries to escape out the door and run off. I’ve never met a Doberman that was anything except Velcro to the family. Some tough challenges here. Best scenario for the puppy is a quiet home with an owner who has lots of time and money NOW to devote to training. I’m very sorry for the well meaning kind OP, who obviously wants to have a loving family relationship with a Doberman. Hope this turns out ok for all.


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Cannot imagine a puppy this young running up to a stranger and biting. Extremely unusual behavior which calls for immediate evaluation by a behaviorist and lots of very carefully planned training. And, actually, I cannot even imagine a Doberman that constantly tries to escape out the door and run off. I’ve never met a Doberman that was anything except Velcro to the family. Some tough challenges here. Best scenario for the puppy is a quiet home with an owner who has lots of time and money NOW to devote to training. I’m very sorry for the well meaning kind OP, who obviously wants to have a loving family relationship with a Doberman. Hope this turns out ok for all.
Given that it's been 2 months with no update, I don't think we'll ever find out what happened.
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I’m sorry I didn’t come back to check this post. I didn’t know people would want an update. We have not had any more incidents with this dog since my post and yes we still have her. I feel like we made a commitment to her and I don’t want to give her up. We’ve been watching a lot of YouTube videos and training her. We have so far successfully prevented her from getting out again. She has to go through a baby gate, the front door, the glass door that’s right in front of the front door, and the front gate to get out lol so she’s stuck. We have trained her to stay in the house and not go out the dog door until she hears the garage door close but not to worry, we never just trust her to do that without a leash and/or muzzle. But we thought it’d be good to train her to do that just in case. We trained her to go to her place and stay there until she’s told to come when someone comes to the door. She’s about 90% there with that but once in a while she can’t contain herself and she runs to the baby gate. We take her on a lot of walks and runs but she still dislikes a lot of men and people running in her direction. It seems to be men wearing dark clothing or men approaching her that gets her going. She will try to bark and lunge at them but we are working on that too. She loves pretty much all women and she seems to accept the men that come in the house as long as they do not try to rough house with her. A male guest tried to play rough with her and she barked but didn’t try to bite. We always keep a basket muzzle on her or put her in the dog run or out back when we have guests that she doesn’t know very well. We’re managing this and coming to terms with the fact that she’s probably always going to be like this. I know her tail was docked by some person who was not a vet when she was over 12 weeks old and I wonder if that caused her psychological trauma which makes her act like that with some men.

As far as in the house she’s pretty good. She is still a puppy and annoying about chewing up our kids’ toys but she’s potty trained and still learning the boundaries. She is super gentle and amazing with our kids. She is very attached to them and I. She’s pretty good with our cat but our cat still isn’t interested in playing. They’re good cuddle buddies at night though. She loves my husband also but she used to be scared of him at first.
Some people asked about her past. I did not rescue her from a rescue. I took her directly from the man who had her who claimed he got her from another lady who had her and some of her siblings and her mother all roaming free outside somewhere. The man who had her was being rough with her in front of me so I imagine he was like that with her at home too. He is the one who had her tail cut off when she was 12 weeks old.

I think we are taking good care of her and doing the best we can. She’s a very cute dog and deserves a good home but it’s hard for me to love her. I think I am just still disappointed and discouraged from rescuing because she isn’t going to be a very fun and easy dog to own. But like I said, we made a commitment to her and she’s happy here. She has lots of love from our kids and playmates and a lot of room to play so she’s here to stay. I do remember feeling a sort of disconnect with my old dog when he was a puppy because he was so much work also but then I fell madly in love with him and I still am even though he’s gone. So I’m hoping the same thing happens with her.
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Thx for the update Mamato4! Sounds like you are on the road to success.
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Thank you for coming back here to give us an update. Stick around
It's so good to hear you guys are working with her and making progress in her training.

I have found out that the dogs I have to work with just a little harder to teach them their manners are often the ones I end up most attached to somehow. I hope that happens with you.
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Yes, thank you for coming back to us. So glad you are committed to her. Young Dobermans are a handful at first without having gone through the trauma she must have experienced in life.

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I’ve found that the hardest dogs have taught ME the most. It’s great you came back here with an update. Hoping everything works out okay.


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Yes..thanks for the update. And we love hearing from you...stay with us....a lot of new folks on this forum...many with new puppies.......always fun to pick up on new techniques that work on the toughest dogs to train.
Nothing like that moment when you work on something over and over ..then as they mature it clicks........its a very proud moment you will share with your dog.......no one else will know the moment it happens....but you will.... great job......your determination shows....many pokes !!!!

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