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new pup SCREAMS in crate

Hello everyone. I have a new pup, she is 13 weeks old. I am having a HORRIBLE time getting her crate trained. I dont put her in too often. When we are eating and she will not settle down she goes in crate for a bit, without problem because we are near by. But when I need to go out for a cpl hours she will whimper and then goes into full blown barking and screaming. It can last for 2 hours if Im gone that long. And unfortunately my son is trying to sleep at that time and it wakes him and keeps him awake. I have tried the : put in crate, walk out of room. re-enter when shes quiet after few seconds, and got up to a cpl minutes, but I HAVE to go out sometimes and she must be crated. I always try to run her and tire her out before going out, but it doesnt usually help too much. Im at my wits end.... any suggestions??? ( she is also starting to display separation anxiety...thanks

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What about MENTAL work prior to crating?

Do you feed her in her crate? What have you done to make it a great place to be?

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Some good play time/training before crating REALLY helps my pup settle down. If I have to cut things short, I'll give him a toy/bone in his crate so he has an outlet if he has a lil bit of energy left. He's about 12 weeks old now.

Training/brain games is surely going to tire your girl out more than running... Be sure to crate more frequently so she gets used to it. Update in a few days/weeks and tell us your progress
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Congrats on your baby!
Crates can take some getting used to.....when you think about it from a puppies perspective it is so different from what they have experience in their recent past.
When we first brought Hoss home he also howled so sadly when placed in his crate....it seemed no matter what I did ....treats etc....he still cried and wanted to be out of the crate. We could not be home with him all the time so we had a need for the crate to prevent Hoss from hurting himself.
Each day we went to work and crated him .......he cried........but within 2 months it became a routine for Hoss.
The hardest thing for me was "to be quiet" and not respond to crying.
Taking a very matter of fact approach helped....no ooohs and ahhs.....poor baby we will be home soon...etc etc. that kind of thing ......We moved his crate closer so he could see us versus a different room.......and stuffed frozen treats into his Kong toy. And that was the only time he got this stuffed Kong...was in his crate.........so we all understand the crying......tough it out.......get some ear plugs if you must sleep. It will get better as your pup matures and the crate will keep'en safe and prevent the development of bad behaviors.
Before you know it you will be able to leave the crate door open and begin exposing pup to one puppy proofed room at a time....eventually the entire house. IMO they are afraid at first ...but they learn from daily patterns ...yep they leave me.....yep they do return.
Look forward to more news as time goes by....stay in touch .
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You might check out Susan Garrett's "Crate Games." There are DVDs you can buy, and most of the people I know that have used them have dogs who LOVE their crates.
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My latest puppy was EXTREMELY hard to crate train. Bitch likes to get her way! She screamed bloody murder for two weeks straight and unfortunately my dogs travel with me a lot so I had to listen to it in the car everywhere we went! You just have to stay consistent and make the crate as fun as possible and NEVER give in. Try to work with her when your son isn't sleeping. Give her treats in there, give her high value bones.... When we get to the park my puppy still screams bloody murder when I let the older dog out to run for 15 min and she has to wait but I NEVER let her out when she's acting that way. When she calms down, then I let her out. For my puppy it's not about being in the crate, it's about not getting what she wants.

As others have said, make sure she's tired both mentally and physically. You said you run her but I hope you don't mean a forced run alongside you. That's bad for growing puppies. All running should be in grass, in the yard just tossing toys or chasing toys.

stay consistent and you'll get there just give her time. Good luck
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When I brought SE home from Park City, she didn't shut up until we got to Brule, Nebr. And that's when her batteries ran down. LOL. My friend that was riding with me told me that if she had been a human baby, I would have taken her to Lincoln to get on a bus. She never got comfortable in an airline kennel. I switched to a wire crate and she was so much better. But she was in an airline kennel for a long time. She dug so much on the crate door, she bowed it out. Scratched the kennel terribly. But she was probably over 2 when I started using the wire crate. Had to zip tie the doors but it has held. I wouldn't use a wire crate until most destructive behavior is done. But the best thing you can do is suck it up. DO NOT reward her by telling her to shut up or by giving in to her screaming. It will just prolong the screaming. And a tired puppy is the best thing for crates.
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I do feed her in crate, have her go in, stay, then reward because she will sit quietly. I also try to make sure she is tired (exercised) before crating.
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When I brought SE home from Park City, she didn't shut up until we got to Brule, Nebr. And that's when her batteries ran down. LOL. My friend that was riding with me told me that if she had been a human baby, I would have taken her to Lincoln to get on a bus. She never got comfortable in an airline kennel. I switched to a wire crate and she was so much better. But she was in an airline kennel for a long time. She dug so much on the crate door, she bowed it out. Scratched the kennel terribly. But she was probably over 2 when I started using the wire crate. Had to zip tie the doors but it has held. I wouldn't use a wire crate until most destructive behavior is done. But the best thing you can do is suck it up. DO NOT reward her by telling her to shut up or by giving in to her screaming. It will just prolong the screaming. And a tired puppy is the best thing for crates.
my little girl slept most of way home, but drooled a river! lol. I ignore her till she gets quiet, but usually JUST as I enter the room she whines... grrrr. The problem I have is not waiting her out, its a family member that is sleeping because they work an overnite shift. the barking/screaming wakens them.... I feel awful as NO one wants to work an 8 hr shift on no sleep. (Its usually crate 1 or 2 times a week, and rest of time shes with me.) She will sometimes go in crate to just sit for a minute or two. I praise her ALOT for "sitting quiet in crate"!! I think she might be getting the hang of it but if I go to another room she barks also. (she isnt even in crate, just behind gate)
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[QUOTE=LadyDi;4041065]Congrats on your baby!

i+nCrates can take some getting used to.....when you think about it from a puppies perspective it is so different from what they have experience in their recent past.
When we first brought Hoss home he also howled so sadly when placed in his crate....it seemed no matter what I did ....treats etc....he still cried and wanted to be out of the crate. We could not be home with him all the time so we had a need for the crate to prevent Hoss from hurting himself.
Each day we went to work and crated him .......he cried........but within 2 months it became a routine for Hoss.
The hardest thing for me was "to be quiet" and not respond to crying.
Taking a very matter of fact approach helped....no ooohs and ahhs.....poor baby we will be home soon...etc etc. that kind of thing ......We moved his crate closer so he could see us versus a different room.......and stuffed frozen treats into his Kong toy. And that was the only time he got this stuffed
Thank you! I make absolute sure no "fussing" leaving or coming home. A quick hello, good girl if no crate accidents and right outside to pee. by that time she is calmer. I do let her have safe bone toys to chew but will try stuffing a kong! Im good with no yelling cause Im not home lol, and shes fine in crate if im right there. shes smart ( Like they all are lol) so I guess I have to have more patience. Yes family wants to just gate her but there is TOO much she can get into & get hurt (lamps, wires, etc). Its been 6 yrs since last pup & she was fine in crate from start. Again, it was only small amounts of time. BTW, did you stuff kong with peanut butter? Shes only little over 3 months and NO table food....
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OMG you made me laugh so hard! JUST how I think!!! I throw ball for her or just let her run in yard which she LOVES to do! Im too old and "fluffy" to actually RUN her!! I actually think her drama is funny but family does NOT! ( Im WAY more stubborn than they are) We are getting house breaking down alot better and As much as I want to make BIG fuss about her I try to keep fussing shorter and get her to play alone a little and not expect me to fuss over her ALL the time. You mentioned "mental games".... is that meaning training? I am doing her commands and some tricks...
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Our pups usually scream and whine & barks in a crate too (nonstop), that's why I train for a no crates & baby gates...in a crate free home (that's not even puppy proofed).
New pup adheres to our life style, not the other way around.

- I thought it was shear luck, on former Amy (easy pup) with separation anxiety for a family member, could have free roam/home [email protected] 4.5 months young supervised
- puppy #3 was independent, & was against a crate on reno. job site, once out of Dads sight line
- she was high in drive and a hand full, but also very successful left home alone, at similar 4.5 months young

I find my approach, for going crate free (from day1), sets up much early puppy success.
- requires constant supervision & direction towards pup / only first few months

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Personally, by 4.5 months young...
- I have successfully trained our last 2 girl, to be "home alone" unsupervised on a leather sofa in the living room
- when we get a 10 week old fur-baby, this dad teaches puppy >> toy rules of conduct
- soft toys are treated with respect / hard toys are for chewing
- so quickly, our pups have learned to not chew pillows, sofa blankets, oak coffee table, etc.
- I even teach pup, how to debark a tree branch and spit out the bark / I train to eliminate "obstruction surgery" at a very young age
- I start in week1 home and start testing "home alone" at 3 months old
- in 2 > to 5 > to 10 > 15 > 30 > 45 > 60 minute intervals
- developing early house manners in puppy, was the Key to unsupervised success later on
- its all about / providing necessary rules, expectations & boundaries on human belongings/furnishings
- and our 10 week old girls, learn this before bad-destructive habits set in
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What are the signs of puppy separation anxiety?
- Excessive barking or howling.
- Destructive acts, such as chewing furniture and frantic scratching at doors or windows.
- Indoor “accidents”—urinating or defecting in the house.
- Excessive salivation, drooling, or panting.
- Intense pacing.
- If confined, prolonged attempts to escape.

There is a difference between puppy SA and adult separation anxiety.
- in that some dogs out grow SA, as they mature
- some can be blanket or pillow suckers / without hurting anything
- others suck their flank, like a big baby

Our 1st pup in 1977 chewed the fabric off our love seat springs / so confined when we went to work, till one year old.

Our last 2 pups were perfect home-alone, from 4.5 months young / YES, this is not a typing error.
- yes, I thought the year 2000 girl, was a fluke
- because she respected house freedoms quickly
- and fought to escape here crate or cry non-stop (for a few hours straight)
- she ended up being a flank sucker / but leather furniture was never in better hands
- she learned to peacefully wait for someone to come home
- resting in a sofa, listening to CNN

While I analysed puppy #2 perfectness, to maybe pure luck / I made a concerted effort to train for total unsupervised freedoms, starting at 10 weeks old...with our 3rd puppy (this one rambunctious, with high prey drive) and no crate was even setup at home.
- it starts with understanding soft toys and stuffies, have respect rules attached
- destroying them, is NEVER allowed / early bad habits are nipped, in the butt
- at 3.5 months old, Kelly stayed in my truck (not hot out), without wrecking the interior
- while dad was in Home depot and getting paint formulated, for a whole hour
- I also tested her by going to garage or outside...for 5 minutes & leaving her behind
- 5 minutes / next a 10 min test / and 15 and 30 and 45 and 60 minutes...to proof
- always re-entering home, and finding it "the way I left it" / but started with focused training, from day1

^^ If you don't puppy train early, for specific manners in toy play / puppies can't be given, hours of unsupervised freedoms.
- every toy here has rules and boundaries attached / some are for hard chewing, others are for soft holding
- its amazing, how quickly the young pup can learn / what toy play is appropriate, on each item
- even bring home a 9-10 week old puppy / we don't even puppy proof our home, no crate and no gates needed
- with 100% supervision, most times 24/7

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What to st uff into the Kong....well I tend to use daily kibble for everything...including treats.
I take an ice tray ....fill all the squares with dry kibble. Then add water to the ice tray filled with kibble and freeze.
Stuff the frozen what I call “Kibbie cubes” into the Kong. Wha-la!
Hide and seek is my favorite mental puppy game. Makes them think.......making them think is what burns them out mentally.Comes to think of it ....thinking makes me tired to !!!! LOL

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Every dog I've had has been crate trained. From the first one (1959) primarily because they have all been show prospects and there are lots of times when you simply can't leave a puppy, away from home loose--in vehicles if you are traveling with someone--the dogs need to be crated for their safety, in hotel and motel rooms, in other peoples homes etc.

But in the course of showing dogs for many year I've run into a few dogs who were not and could not be crate trained. For some of these dogs what worked was confining them to a ex-pen (exercise pen) which will accomplish the same thing as crate but sees to the dog to be less of an imprisonment issue.

Ex-pens are a little more expensive than a wire crate and you do have to figure out a way to fasten at least two of the sides so that the dog can't knock the pen down escape but a couple of people actually found that getting a couple of extra panels for the pen and putting a small crate (Vari-kennel type or wire) in the pen and putting a really comfortable bed in the crate actually ended up with a dog who taught himself to spend time quietly in the crate (they took the door off the crate initially, after a couple of months they put the door back on but fastened it open and later if they happened to find the dog asleep in the crate they'd shut the door but leave it unlatched.)

I can't have just been lucky with all my puppies but they all start out being crated at night and I have that crate beside my bed. The noisiest puppy I ever had screamed his head off for half of the 4 hour ride from the show grounds, where I picked him up, to home--he was 3 months--half way home (he was crated in the back of a van beside another dog) he wore out and fell asleep. When I put him in the crate that night he whined a few times and moaned a few times but was still out like a light when the cats and adult dogs got up for breakfast at 5:30.

Good luck. Persistence pays as does silence and being unresponsive to screaming.

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WOW! Thanks for info!! My last girl was a dream. She was easy to teach and non destructive. THIS one is SUPER high energy and quite the handful. I never heard of them NOT ripping up a soft toy! HOW??? She does have both and I would really like to give her some of the very cute soft toys and her NOT rip them up!. Our furniture has been a pleasant place for her to relax. I think I will start the 5,10,15 minute thing. She is 3&1/2 months now, and apparently had a UTI when I got her so her potty training IS getting better. I have been leaving the gate up and leaving room for 5-10 mins. She is starting to understand if she sits quietly I will return and I praise her with "you are sitting quiet?? GOOD girl!" Maybe its NOT SA? just doesnt want to be left alone. ( I thought if they cried alot it was SA) I really dont like to crate but Frequent outside trips just made it impossible to leave her alone not housebroken... I REALLY really want a dog who listens intently.... any Other great hints????
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LOL!! GREAT idea! I tried a bit of peanut butter but she didnt touch it. No Interest at all. I like the kibble cube idea though and will do that. Thanks so much!
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Did you google "crate games?"

A Kong with just a little peanut butter isn't all that interesting for a lot of dogs. I would try taking some kibble and "binding" it with a little canned food, or a little yogurt, some mashed banana, something like that. Fill the ENTIRE Kong so the whole thing is stuffed. You could also boil some chicken and stuff that in there with the kibble and the "binder" - make it yummy and interesting! You can google "Kong stuffing recipes"...there are tons! You want it to be interesting and yummy and take a LONG time for her to get the stuff out. Just a few licks of peanut butter won't cut it

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Realistically none of my Dobes have ever been able to have soft toys either.

I've got a bunch of soft toys (Agility trials and some Obedience trials give them just for entering a dog.) Those all live on the back of a couch that is off limit to dogs. I've had a couple of cats who will take a toy from time to time and play with it but basically it's only very young puppies who get soft toys. Four months or older--no more soft toys.

My Aussie could have soft toys but he didn't think they were much fun--the ones he couldn't have were anything with a squeaker--he'd work at removing the squeakers and then he was done with the toy. Different strokes...
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My first girl (as a mature dog) had a soft stuffy dobe she sniffed at and pushed around with her nose....sometimes she even carried it around. We used to call it her puppy. She had it for half a year or so and then we came home one day and she had killed it

So even when they have a stuffy that they don't seem interested in damaging and it lasts for a while, you shouldn't leave them alone and unsupervised with one. You just don't know.

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SOFT TOY & HOME-ALONE Training Pups - by 4.5 months old or younger...starts on Day1.
- it comes with putting a name / rule / boundary, on anything that comes into a dogs mouth
- all habits good or bad, are formulated in a pups mind, in first 2 months...so we supervise 24/7 initially

Former Amy was the easy one with SA, she was only crated for 1.5 hours max & never stopped crying, for a moment...neighbor would tell us.
- only time she stopped crying was to try and escape, the crate
- and one day she did, at 4.5 months young she successfully opened the crate door
- and to our big surprise, nothing was damaged / pups crate was setup beside a snooker table, and no wooden legs chewed
- so dad made the decision, and instructed son when he went to HS class...leave Amy free to wander, in our pool room
- she was a quick learner / and the crate was stored away...with house freedoms, her SA lessened greatly

When we got current Kelly (extreme high prey drive pup), I was wondering if we got lucky with mild Amy ...or if this was possible again, and not totally a fluke.
- at 10 weeks old, she helped Mom carry a sock or undies from the gas drier // and give them up, delivered to bedroom
- moms slippers and soft toys had Rules...if pup wants to chew soft items, it was removed momentarily
- quickly she got it / hard toys are for hard chewing, soft stuff is for holding or head shaking (LOL)
- we even give our pups a used sock, with a pro-tennis ball stuffed inside...the sock, never gets ruined

I also train pups to debark a small tree branch outside & spit out the bark / we have had a toy loose a plastic squeaker, and find it later on the floor...pup won't digest plastic or foreign objects.
- when training, my disapproval voice is the ITCH word, and pup will revert to respecting a soft toy / and avoid toy getting a "time out"

^^ Its proved to be a rather easy process...and has so many advantages, in building house manners.
- even coach blankets & pillows, never get chewed
- current Kelly has few new toys / but many good ones, handed down from former Amy's toy box

I did prove to myself, re home-alone / gentleness in soft toys / and prevent blockage surgery ($4,800 Vet bill).
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Only negative is, Mom has to hunt for her shoe occasionally / but dad taught Kelly on mom shoes, not his own.
- the alligator is approaching 6 years old, with only a few early scars ...she was puppy trained on it & still a favorite

------------Kelly & (Amy - RIP @ 11.7 y/o)

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OUTWARD HOUND INVINCIBLES ......GOOGLE THIS TOY....oops sorry about the capital letters....anyway best toy yet for hoss.....we get the snakes......dog unable to remove squeaky....fussy toy.....but nothing ingest...............

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