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New pup...let's compare intel on fireworks

We have quite a few members out there of which this year will be their pups first exposure to fireworks.
Was thinking maybe some of "senior advisors" will have some wisdom to share with our new parents to ensure our new baby pups have a positive experience with all the festivities happening around them....
so .....anyone have any advise to share with us ? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm?

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Don't let your dog outside during fireworks, and crate the dog in a room away from windows if you DO go out when fireworks will happen. Play fireworks sounds on a radio or on the TV to acclimate.

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Second that! We had radar watch/listen to fireworks, thunder, etc on tv when he was little, and now his only reaction is a little sad grunt as he lays down on his bed because we won't let him outside to see/hear them. He LOVES watching fireworks on tv. He is mesmerized by them.

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Start making positive associations to the noise of fireworks long before the day. Find videos of them online and play them quietly, with "fireworks" chicken. As in, dog/pup hears the sound of the firework, and then chicken magically rains from the sky. My dogs STILL get fireworks chicken, even though they are not bothered by the noise. It is WELL WORTH YOUR WHILE to do this, because noise phobias tend to develop later in life. My dogs get fireworks chicken and loud storm treats, too. The key is, the treat (chicken or whatever you want to use) MUST come slightly AFTER the noise. It cannot be simultaneous, and there cannot be a long delay either. That's how proper conditioning works. FIRST the stimulus (the noise), then the reward/good thing (the treat).

Again, highly recommend this with noise - fireworks and storms. You can't 100% prevent noise phobias from developing but you can certainly go a long ways towards doing so. Having had a previous dog with pretty bad storm/fireworks issues, I will always do this. My poor Simon had to be on an as-needed drug, have a special space in the basement with soothing music, a Thundershirt, his bed...and he was still not happy. He got through them, but to see your dog very frightened and be unable to help....it's hard. And the stress on them is awful.


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I know what your talking about MC - Poor Kasia girl was a basket case ! It all started when she was about 2 - A tornado had just lifted before it got to the field behind our house - The Wall cloud was still rotating pretty good and sheet metal and other house parts were dropping from the sky into our field - matter of fact it went 3 miles and came back down - We talked to the Vet about it and he said it is the most traumatic thing a dog can go threw - it's the barometric pressure - it hurts there ears - from then on - Kasia girl would let us know if a storm was coming a half a hour before it got here - She was my wife's dog - yet - she could only be with old dad when a storm came - thunder coat did help - - Fire works = storms to her , God bless her -

So Left coast John -- 6-7 & Mel -- What did you guys do back in 1777 ( the first 4th ) to help your Dogs ?
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I honestly didn't much think of this, buy it will certainly be Ace's first experience. Unfortunately we don't have TV (except for the 3 free channels) so we can't play it on the TV for him. Probably can start working on it with videos from my phone.

However, we started Ace out with loud sounds right from when we got him. We have a 5ton military truck, and that sucker can really make some noises. Even as a puppy he just walked right up to it, and laid beside it. He's still not 100% keen on the boat starting up, but once started will walk back to it without issue. That boat hurts my ears when starting, so I can understand. And storms? He could care less, luckily. I don't think he even notices them, heck, i'm more scared of them than he is!

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I honestly didn't much think of this, buy it will certainly be Ace's first experience. Unfortunately we don't have TV (except for the 3 free channels) so we can't play it on the TV for him. Probably can start working on it with videos from my phone.

However, we started Ace out with loud sounds right from when we got him. We have a 5ton military truck, and that sucker can really make some noises. Even as a puppy he just walked right up to it, and laid beside it. He's still not 100% keen on the boat starting up, but once started will walk back to it without issue. That boat hurts my ears when starting, so I can understand. And storms? He could care less, luckily. I don't think he even notices them, heck, i'm more scared of them than he is!
Ya know...now that I'm thinking of it...it's been a while since we have seen Ace...how about some photos?

Definitely keep working with loud noises, and MC's "fireworks chicken" is definitely a good idea as well.

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So Left coast John -- 6-7 & Mel -- What did you guys do back in 1777 ( the first 4th ) to help your Dogs ?
No dobes around in 1777.

Their creation was a part of the surge in life-changing technological inventions that occurred during the late 1800's, along with the lightbulb, telephone and the internal combustion engine.
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None of my dogs (Dobes, the Afghan and the Aussie) have been noise sensitive. And since all except the Aussie lived entirely on the West coast thunder storms haven't really been an issue (for anyone who doesn't know--the west Coast has rare thunder storms. And none of them are anything like the blockbuster types that occur in the Midwest)

So for my dogs about the only big noise was before and on the 4th of July and shortly before and on New Years Eve. I think my dogs generally got exposed to noisy stuff because of where I lived. My early dogs lived on a houseboat with me which was located on the Lake Washington ship canal right behind Foss Tug and Barge--they parked the big ocean going barges directly next to my houseboat and the tugs that move those are huge and noisy. In Sacramento and Los Angeles I was under at least one of the runways for the bigger jets and in Portland most of the time I've lived practically adjacent to a very popular dirt track raceway. Not only were the cars racing very noisy they featured fireworks after the races every Saturday night and on the 4th of July as well as New Years Eve.

Most of the time the Dobes have paid no attention to the noise but one of the Dobes who was not at all noise sensitive became more so the older he got.

He was one who had to deal with the racetrack noise--so as his noise sensitivity got worse when the afternoon racing started I'd pull the curtains on my bedroom--in the front of the house. Turn on the television--on low just for background sound and open the door to he closet. About the time it started getting dark Perry would move into the closet and would stay there until it was quiet again.

It worked for him but I had a friend whose elderly Golden was so upset by fireworks that eventually he had to be taken to a boarding kennel where for several days before and after the 4th of July he was confined to a cement block building (very small building) which was also sound proofed on the outside and had an air supply from fans 8 feet up on the wall and an exhaust grate in the ceiling. It was the only space he couldn't tear up and break out of and run away.

Even meds didn't work for that guy--but for dogs whose noise problems are fairly minor there are some medications that are very effective.
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Last year was the first time McCoy ever reacted to fireworks. Here in Portland they are constant and non-stop from before dusk until 2 AM. The vast majority are illegal fireworks being set off by private individuals. We live on a ridge, so there is no escape. McCoy generally does not exhibit noise startling. He has no problem with the report of gunshots. But hour after hour of the constant barrage rattled him last year.

I could not crate him, as his room is upstairs and probably the worst room in the house for fireworks noise. So... When he started to get really nervous, I took him down to the basement and turned on "Light Classical" music.

The only alternative in my case would be to get out of Dodge for a couple of days. The powers that be (USFS) absolutely forbids fireworks where our cabin is in the Gallatin National forest. So... Why not? Oh... except that it is 800 miles away. LOL

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Like Dobebug, I've never had a Doberman that was noise sensitive - they will howl at sirens.... but do not seem bothered by them otherwise. We sit out on our back deck on July 4th and can see fireworks from several towns - none of the displays are super close. Our deck sits up 9 feet off the ground, and we close the gate to the yard. There are a lot of minor fireworks going off in the neighborhood on the 4th - but it does not seem to bother any of them. It will be Mabel's first July 4th - I don't anticipate that she will have any issues. I think it helps that we are with them and don't show any reaction to the noise.
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