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Separation anxiety tips

Hello I was just hoping to get some advice on separation anxiety. My wife and I have 9 month old male Doberman and he’s really a fantastic dog he’s crate trained has great manners with adults adults/children we have socialized him by taking him to town at least twice a month and he does great from going to tractor supply, Home Depot, pet co, and other dog friendly stores . We Live on a ranch so he has plenty of area to run when we take him out for exercise and also is socialized with my dads dogs he’s not around them daily . At home he lives with 2 basset hounds and does great with them no aggression or jealousy. Now that you’ve kind of have the background information we eased him into more freedom around the house leaving him out during trips to town etc and he did fine and we decided to give him more freedom by letting him be out while we work and he was out with all his toys his bed and had the companionship of his fellow dog mates but during the work day he shredded his bed and peed on it along with shredding a cushion on a chair he was left for about 6 hours and had been left like that when we go to town to do errands in the past with no real issues we make sure all of our dogs get 1 hour to 1.5 hours of exercise before leaving to work and non stop exercise and attention once we are home so I’m really just surprised about the behavior I understand he’s a puppy as well but was reaching out for some helpful advice thanks
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Sounds like he's just not ready to be loose in the house to me. Some dogs take longer to be trustworthy out of a crate. Is there any reason to believe it's anxiety?
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Sounds like he's just not ready to be loose in the house to me. Some dogs take longer to be trustworthy out of a crate. Is there any reason to believe it's anxiety?
Boy I sure do agree with MC on her post --- It took ?? Maybe a year and a half before Mr. B gained our trust - lol

I still think that little boys are a bigger challenge than the girls we have raised ! We gave him a few tests when we going to be gone a short time - He failed miserably !!!!!!!!! Terribly was more like it ! He would take a squirt here and there - He was just bored - I guess . If there's was something to get into trouble with - I can Guarantee - Mr. B would find it .

As I said it took him a long time to be trusted .

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I thought it may have been anxiety due to the fact he had earned his way to having freedom and hadn’t acted out before other than minimal things like previously on shorter stays at home he had gotten hold of a oven mitt I had left on the edge kitchen table and a piece of mail which told me puppy behavior . Probably just has some growing up to do.
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What are the signs of puppy separation anxiety?
- Excessive barking or howling.
- Destructive acts, such as chewing furniture and frantic scratching at doors or windows.
- Indoor “accidents”—urinating or defecting in the house.
- Excessive salivation, drooling, or panting.
- Intense pacing.
- If confined, prolonged attempts to escape.

There is a difference between puppy SA and adult separation anxiety.
- in that some dogs out grow SA, as they mature
- some can be blanket or pillow suckers / without hurting anything
- others suck their flank, like a big baby

Our 1st pup in 1977 chewed the fabric off our love seat springs / so confined when we went to work, till one year old.

Our last 2 pups were perfect home-alone, from 4.5 months young / YES, this is not a typing error.
- yes, I thought the year 2000 girl, was a fluke
- because she respected house freedoms quickly
- and fought to escape here crate or cry non-stop (for a few hours straight)
- she ended up being a flank sucker / but leather furniture was never in better hands
- she learned to peacefully wait for someone to come home
- resting in a sofa, listening to CNN

While I analysed puppy #2 perfectness, to maybe pure luck / I made a concerted effort to train for total unsupervised freedoms, starting at 10 weeks old...with our 3rd puppy (this one rambunctious, with high prey drive) and no crate was even setup at home.
- it starts with understanding soft toys and stuffies, have respect rules attached
- destroying them, is NEVER allowed / early bad habits are nipped, in the butt
- at 3.5 months old, Kelly stayed in my truck (not hot out), without wrecking the interior
- while dad was in Home depot and getting paint formulated, for a whole hour
- I also tested her by going to garage or outside...for 5 minutes & leaving her behind
- 5 minutes / next a 10 min test / and 15 and 30 and 45 and 60 minutes...to proof
- always re-entering home, and finding it "the way I left it" / but started with focused training, from day1

^^ If you don't puppy train early, for specific manners in toy play / puppies can't be given, hours of unsupervised freedoms.
- every toy here has rules and boundaries attached / some are for hard chewing, others are for soft holding
- its amazing, how quickly the young pup can learn / what toy play is appropriate, on each item
- even bring home a 9-10 week old puppy / we don't even puppy proof our home, no crate and no gates needed
- with 100% supervision, most times 24/7
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I thought it may have been anxiety due to the fact he had earned his way to having freedom and hadn’t acted out before other than minimal things like previously on shorter stays at home he had gotten hold of a oven mitt I had left on the edge kitchen table and a piece of mail which told me puppy behavior . Probably just has some growing up to do.
9 months? At that age most of my dogs aren't nearly ready to be free for six hours--and even my adult and fool proof dogs aren't left with any of the other dogs to play with when I'm gone. My dogs graduate from being crated to being confined to one dog proof room (kitchen in this house, back hall in a different house, etc) but the dogs are separated --I found, lots of years ago, that even very well behaved dogs if left with another dog could think of things to do (that I REALY didn't want done)--it's was like leaving two 7 year old kids together--what one of them didn't think of the other one did. And--it's just plain safer.

I don't think this sounds at all like anxiety--just like a puppy with too much freedom too soon.

The sorry truth is that after over 50 years of mostly Dobes I've had dogs I trusted uncrated at 2 years, 3 years, the hopeless case was almost 4 before he could be left uncrated--one of the earliest and best was only 13 months before he could be left in a back hall (with all the doors in the hall shut) with his dog bed and a cat (who slept on him--that back hall was cold) but never had one who was under a year. Those were the Dobes.

The Afghan Hound was just over a year and the Australian Shepherd was 19 months.
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Thank you all for the advice and he is locked up in the kitchen of our house only when left out . All the advice is fantastic I will continue crating him for now and continue giving him shorter times without supervision in the house
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As you decide to give your pup more walk around room try a plus 1 system. Consider this:
Hoss had his own bedroom initially .........at a year he graduated to his bedroom and hallway off his bedroom...at 2 years old he acquired 2 bedrooms and hallway....then few months later 2 bedrooms...hallway and the bathroom.....as he continues to have no incidents he will acquire more of the house.......so far this has worked out good for us......good luck...

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I agree that it is more that he's not ready to be left loose for long amounts of time. I still crate my 6 year old GSD and 3 year old pittie while I'm gone. Would they get into mischief? Maybe not, but I like to ensure that they can't.

The Fenzi Dog Sports Academy is planning on running a course on separation anxiety in the upcoming session. https://fenzidogsportsacademy.com/in.../courses/13272 I believe it's more along the lines of working with dogs who already have some issues, but it should also be good for helping prevent it.
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I agree that it is more that he's not ready to be left loose for long amounts of time. I still crate my 6 year old GSD and 3 year old pittie while I'm gone. Would they get into mischief? Maybe not, but I like to ensure that they can't.

The Fenzi Dog Sports Academy is planning on running a course on separation anxiety in the upcoming session. https://fenzidogsportsacademy.com/in.../courses/13272 I believe it's more along the lines of working with dogs who already have some issues, but it should also be good for helping prevent it.
Thanks for posting that Rosemary - I think we may have a little of that going on with Mr. B - We spent a lot of time this winter together - snow - cold - then OB training - He is really glued to my side . Had to take Ali girl for her shots last week - he wanted to go to ! lol I was going to leave him lose , But he got recurrent Crate training As you said to help him to keep from getting himself into trouble

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This our boy his name is Rubin and like mentioned earlier he is 9 months and right now he weighs about 77lbs Separation anxiety tips-c118d132-ba97-4b01-a6a4-620d4cac9f7e_1521516918641.jpg
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