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Advice on hiring a trainer

Now that the holidays are over and I have time to breathe I want to hire a trainer for our almost 5 month old female Dobe Brienne. She seemed to be doing pretty good listening and obeying basic commands: sit, stay, no jump, puppy biting was still an issue but I found if I said ‘Owww’ loudly it worked better than ‘no bite’ (and give her an alternative to chew on in both situations). But with my son and fiancée visiting and our traveling during that time (with her) she’s regressed I think or maybe it’s just her age.

One of my challenges is my husband doesn’t think consistency is important and eventually she’ll grow out of her puppy behaviors. Some of the things I was trying before our company with potty training - taking out same door every time with leash, mostly going to same location, picking up poop immediately and other non-potty training commands he doesn’t do - so I’m the bad guy to his good guy with her. He's not opposed to hiring a trainer but I feel he's just trying to placate me.

I wanted a dog that could be both of ours. Is that even possible? Or will she end up being 'his' dog like our Labrador was years ago because he lets her get away with more than I do and I'm sure she can sense that he doesn't really believe in the consistency part of training the same way I do so she tests us whenever she can and usually Dad doesn't discipline. A bit frustrating to put it mildly.

Anyway - two questions:
Should I hire a trainer who works specifically with Doberman's?
Does anyone have suggestions for a trainer in the Fort Myers/Cape Coral, FL area?
I am looking for basic training: walking on leash without pulling, not jumping on people, recall, maybe more tips on house breaking. Things like that first. Might move on to more advanced training after these things are conquered.

Thank you in advance! Happy New Year!
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There are several good dog clubs in your area. I would join the club and attend their obedience classes. For the basic training it doesn't need to be a breed specific trainer but a trainer who understands Dobermans will help.

Can your Doberman be both of yours? Yes to a degree. A Doberman will usually favor one person but will be loyal to the whole family. If you are more involved in the training it puts it more on you. Remember just like with Children it isn't just "quality time" but quantity time that really matters. If you only spend training time for an hour but he spends most of the day with the pup then it will favor him.
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I wanted a dog that could be both of ours. Is that even possible?


I've had 3 doberman girls, over the decades / wife & I was consistent, so was our son.
- all 3 of us got near equal attention, with only slight favorites...but not enough to worry about
- I tend to do more training & the potty breaks
- wife is the awesome cook, so they like standing with Mom in the kitchen / and snuggle watching evening TV

Our first 2 girls, Dad had the slight lead, in attention / dobe #3 is more a Mommy's girl.
- Doberman #2 was my once in a life time "heart dog"...& one day she protected Mom, from a GSD/Lab dog attack
- they loves us all, with slight variations
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Just want to make sure....when you say “hire a trainer” that you are talking about either going to a trainer, or having them come in to work with you and Brienne, rather than sending her away to be trained.

Part of training a dog is training the owner. In that process, the trainer should help you and your dog to develop a partnership and work as a team. Sending a dog away to be trained won’t cut it.

And if you send your dog to a training “school”, you really have no idea how the trainer is treating the dog. Folks expect fast results; the trainer will often use quick and “dirty” methods to get there.
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Just want to make sure....when you say “hire a trainer” that you are talking about either going to a trainer, or having them come in to work with you and Brienne, rather than sending her away to be trained.

Part of training a dog is training the owner. In that process, the trainer should help you and your dog to develop a partnership and work as a team. Sending a dog away to be trained won’t cut it.


And if you send your dog to a training “school”, you really have no idea how the trainer is treating the dog. Folks expect fast results; the trainer will often use quick and “dirty” methods to get there.
we sent one of our German Shepherds back to Germany for training. We did lots of research and used someone who had inside connections. Her training worked well. But we lost a lot of the bonding time. She also was not near as responsive to us as she would have been had we trained her. She was trained for IPO. and as there is no IPO club near me it made it near impossible for me to get her titled in IPO without sending her off.

Was it worth it? Always better if you train your own dog. Let them train you on how to train your dog.
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We will be working with a trainer not sending her off for training. I know I definitely want to learn the correct way to handle different situations with her and hopefully come out with her responding to my commands as well as my husband's. Fingers crossed he will stick with it and not just do whatever he feels works which in my opinion will just either confuse her or undo the training we're going to pay for. I'm definitely more strict than he is about what she can and can't do. Or should and shouldn't since she's still a puppy and loves to get away with things she knows she's not supposed to do. And she definitely knows right and wrong on some things, like getting on the couch. Not so little scamp

She's going to be very big if her parents are any indication and one of my fears is if she gets loose from me while on the leash and jumps on someone. Or not listen and obey if we are around children. She's not in any way mean but being knocked down by a 100 lb. Doberman would scare anyone. We're expecting her to be about that size.

I'll look up dog clubs in our area and see what I come up with.

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Just want to make sure....when you say “hire a trainer” that you are talking about either going to a trainer, or having them come in to work with you and Brienne, rather than sending her away to be trained.

Part of training a dog is training the owner. In that process, the trainer should help you and your dog to develop a partnership and work as a team. Sending a dog away to be trained won’t cut it.

And if you send your dog to a training “school”, you really have no idea how the trainer is treating the dog. Folks expect fast results; the trainer will often use quick and “dirty” methods to get there.
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We will be working with a trainer not sending her off for training. I know I definitely want to learn the correct way to handle different situations with her and hopefully come out with her responding to my commands as well as my husband's. Fingers crossed he will stick with it and not just do whatever he feels works which in my opinion will just either confuse her or undo the training we're going to pay for. I'm definitely more strict than he is about what she can and can't do. Or should and shouldn't since she's still a puppy and loves to get away with things she knows she's not supposed to do. And she definitely knows right and wrong on some things, like getting on the couch. Not so little scamp

She's going to be very big if her parents are any indication and one of my fears is if she gets loose from me while on the leash and jumps on someone. Or not listen and obey if we are around children. She's not in any way mean but being knocked down by a 100 lb. Doberman would scare anyone. We're expecting her to be about that size.

I'll look up dog clubs in our area and see what I come up with.

Thank you all!
Consistency comes in many forms, of praise, reward / correction, discipline...plus tone & timing of your voice.
Better training skills starts with building a loving bond of respected trust & fairness, to timing & presence.
- and developing a pups willingness to please

Soft inconsistencies in your home:
Of letting dog on the couch / to who goes out the front door first...dog or master, is of little consequence.
- if the dog is digging holes in the flower beds or trying to clear the back yard fence
- that's when the whole family, needs to be on the same page
- discouraging bad manners quickly & effectively, before unwanted habits form

Your training methods will also evolve over the years & decades.
- nothing is cast in stone, some flexibility won't ruin the dogs progress / on softer issues
- our pups learn the leather sectional is as much their spot as ours...nothing I'm going to fight over
- even allowed us to remove dog beds off living room floor, for a cleaner & neater household look
- no family member, needs permission to rest on the couch...dogs included

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.....no family member, needs permission to rest on the couch...dogs included
I’m fine with allowing dogs on the couch (some people aren’t; that’s OK too).....But you shouldn’t need permission FROM THE DOG to sit on your own couch, or to do anything you want with toys, dog dishes, dog blankets, etc. If a dog shows some aggression (not the same as grumbling) when I tell him to do something, I take that as a sign that I need to work with him to correct his notion that HIS say-so is the one that counts.

Keeping a dog off the couch, under those circumstances, is an appropriate beginning to that process.
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I’m fine with allowing dogs on the couch (some people aren’t; that’s OK too).....But you shouldn’t need permission FROM THE DOG to sit on your own couch, or to do anything you want with toys, dog dishes, dog blankets, etc. If a dog shows some aggression (not the same as grumbling) when I tell him to do something, I take that as a sign that I need to work with him to correct his notion that HIS say-so is the one that counts.

Keeping a dog off the couch, under those circumstances, is an appropriate beginning to that process.
^^ Maybe I mis-read the thread, but I never assumed any dog aggression was on the topic.
- couch should be shared by all, in a natural & unspoken way

Rather I did hear, hubby wants girl on couch & mommy doesn't...fair enough.
BUT mom wants her consistency & rules enforced in husbands eyes...making his choice (for him),
all in the name of good dog training...the real training problem here, isn't exactly with the dog.
- eventually the family dynamics will set the rules, not solely one person (by own choice)
- while the dobe will not be disadvantages (training wise, in the meantime)
- while mom & dad learn to agree on or compromise their individual preferences...eventually

In the grand scheme of things, a dog in training that gets up on the couch...is not doomed to any failure...LOL
- just like a dog can exit a door first, and its master follows...whatever works will, in the end
- and the small stuff, usually not worth loosing sleep over

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I highly recommend going to classes - dogs need to get out and learn to work in new environments. Very important! This is a good starting place to look for trainers/classes: Certified Dog Trainer and Behavior Consultant Directory - CCPDT

I also do private lessons to supplement my classes, so that isn't a bad thing, but a good training class is foundational.
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Sorry if my 2nd post was confusing - the couch thing isn't a big deal. My husband doesn't want her on the couch either and is consistent with that, even though we both privately laugh at her attitude about it - she knows she's not supposed to so she gets down without any problems, on way or the other.

One of the main 'consistency' issues I think is a problem but may resolve itself, is house breaking. When she pees in the house (getting better but I think she's better able to control bladder now that she's older) my husband immediately reaches for the carpet cleaning machine rather than taking her out right away and saying something like 'potty outside'. To me that reinforces the accidents because she thinks that's what is supposed to happen - 'I pee, that loud machine comes on, no problem.' And taking her out the same door I believe would help us know when she needs to go. She gets taken out frequently but now that she's a bit older we still have no clear sign from her that she has to go other than if we happen to catch her circling a spot then we rush her outside.

Also, now with the fence (we also have a large, screened in lanai with a pool) he takes her out, without the leash, and just lets her run around for a while not exactly knowing if she's done her business or not. I take her out with the leash on until she's done her business, pick it up, then let her run around.

Anyway I'm sure a lot of these things will get better as she gets older. The trainer is going to be for walking properly on leash, recall and jumping mostly. And anything else the trainer thinks is important that we haven't thought of.

Thanks for all the input. Much appreciated!


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^^ Maybe I mis-read the thread, but I never assumed any dog aggression was on the topic.
- couch should be shared by all, in a natural & unspoken way

Rather I did hear, hubby wants girl on couch & mommy doesn't...fair enough.
BUT mom wants her consistency & rules enforced in husbands eyes...making his choice (for him),
all in the name of good dog training...the real training problem here, isn't exactly with the dog.
- eventually the family dynamics will set the rules, not solely one person (by own choice)
- while the dobe will not be disadvantages (training wise, in the meantime)
- while mom & dad learn to agree on or compromise their individual preferences...eventually

In the grand scheme of things, a dog in training that gets up on the couch...is not doomed to any failure...LOL
- just like a dog can exit a door first, and its master follows...whatever works will, in the end
- and the small stuff, usually not worth loosing sleep over
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I can somewhat relate to you. My husband at first was not the most consistent and relied on me to do most of the training including the potty training. I truly believe I have been blessed because my girl has done awesome. I got her at 9 weeks and by the time she was 12 weeks she was broke. I was very consistent though and I only allowed her in part of the house which was the dining room right next to the back door. So we went out the same way and always to the same spot. If she did not go in 5-7 minutes I would not let her play, I brought her back in and then back out like in 5-10 minutes with my eyes on her at all times. I also did not leave food around. So 5-10 minutes after she ate or drank we were back outside. She has only had a few accidents in the house since then and she will be a year old on the 6th. One of the accidents is right after I got her spayed and I am pretty sure it was from her still being numb cause that is the only time she has ever peed in the house. She also was sick with diarrhea a few months ago and woke up in the middle of the night. That was a nightmare literally. I also hired a trainer that came to the house and it was well worth it. She still likes to pull a bit when we walk but I just think it takes continued training. I work with her 3-4 times a day just short intervals and then any other time I get a chance. Trying to make it fun helps. Here lately it has been a lot of training her to be patient. So a lot of leave it games. She has done pretty good. I think your husband once he sees how well the training works and how well behaved the dog has become will eventually learn from you what works. Sometimes I think my Belle loves my husband more only because he takes her walking through the woods which is her most favorite thing to do but honestly she listens to the whole family and loves us equally.
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Our last 3 pups, were potty trained by 12 weeks old.
So largely a 3 week process (if family wants it to be) / doesn't have to take months.
- first girl out every hour
- 2nd girl out every 40 minutes
- 3rd girl every 20 - 30 mins.
While all different, humans consistency & acknowledging canine body language, is key.
- and always had puppies, in the winter time

If and when an accident occurred, pup was put out in the cold ASAP.
With dad standing by and encouraging another success, in a kind voice...taking it up.
- "Dad watch, lets go Pee-pee" in a high pitch voice of puppy praise / "Good Girl" when done, repeated
- majority of the time, was off-leash...I believe, it helps later training excel

GameOfDobermans - your right about one thing:
- hubby & his carpet cleaning machine priority / his action is truly counter-productive (in this one example)
- let him read this thread...my advice

Very early puppy off-leash, in a controlled environment of a fenced in yard...is largely a unique training opportunity.
- I found current Kelly would return to my side best, if I told her she was getting a "neck ruby"...for a full minute
- I found her natural sweet spot, since I don't tread train
- next I used her Achilles heal, to calm her down / if a noise startled her & her prey drive kicked in / more neck rubs
Training gets easier, if one thinks more like a dog !!

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