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Update on Luci. (Need more potty tips)

As you've seen I have made quite a few different posts about Lucifer.

I am going to sort of compile all the recent updates here, and ask for further advice on potty training methods.

He is such a good smart boy, he really is. He has learned so much with VERY little effort on my part. When it comes to his bed/blanket all I really had to do was tell/show him once that, that was his bed. I took him to it, and I told him your bed. Ever since that moment when I point, and say "go to your bed." He goes right to his bed, and lays/sits there.

Whenever we get him a new toy I present it to him, and say "your toy," and give it to him. When starts to play with something that is not his I say "no, not your toy," and he will leave it alone, and go find his toys.

When we go out to potty it only took me 3 tries to teach him to sit, and wait while I put on his leash, and when we come inside he will sit, and wait for me to take off the leash. (I always hated when a dog would jump, and run, and pull you to death when you tried to take their leash off.) So I made it a point the moment we got him to teach him to wait until the leash was on, or off.

He is a very good boy. A lot better than I expected to be honest. I've been around a lot of puppies in my life time, and a lot of them were quite literally little monsters, lol. So I am impressed with Luci.

Now to the potty training point. He has been doing a little better, but we're still having quite a few accidents. I get up at 5:30am every morning. The first thing I do is use the bathroom myself before I explode, then leash up Luci, and take him out. He will sniff around, find a spot, and pee. Run around a little bit more then pee again, then he will pull his leash like he wants back in. We'll go back inside, and I will start to make my husbands lunch. Which usually takes me about 10 minutes. (Make 2 sandwiches, and pour his tea.) When I turn around after I get that done there are literally I swear 5 piddles of pee, and at least 2 piles of poop. -_- It seems to me that I am taking him out at least every 20 minutes. Sometimes he goes potty, sometimes he doesn't. Each time that he does go potty I give him a treat. Either I have treats in my pocket, or when we go in I'll say "good boy, lets get a treat," and he will head to the kitchen, and sit until I give him his treat. Still we have more potty inside than we do outside. I know he is a puppy, and it will happen for a while.

This morning I was drinking my coffee, just looking at him, and it accrued to me that he really responds to commands that are more... challenging? If that makes any sense. So I remembered that my husband has this smaller cow bell on string. So I decided I would hang it on our front door, and each time I would take him out to potty I would take him to the bell, and use his paw to smack it, treat him, then we would head outside.

Is there anything else I could/should be doing to encourage going potty outside more?
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Try leashing him to you in the house--that way you can keep track of him better and spot when he starts showing signs of impending explosion.

If you can’t do that, pop him in his crate just while you’re too busy to watch. He shouldn’t be in his crate all the time--but while he’s figuring out the process, the leash and the crate are your best tools.
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I was having him leashed to me for a few days, but the past 2 days I have had so much that needed done, and most of it was in the... I don't want to call it a basement, because it is fully furnished, but anyways he will NOT go down those steps no matter how hard I try, and if I carry him down there he will whine, and cry to go back up.
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In the name of having dogs that will go up or down stairs or any place else I'm going they all learn early they are going with me--even if they cry about.

Your puppy doesn't have the idea of where to potty at this point--and it almost sounds like he might have a UTI causing him to pee in the house frequently. But even if that isn't the case he's one of the puppies that pees multiple times not just once when outside. This is where being able to crate a puppy you suspect may not have emptied his bladder nor pooped yet.

I keep puppies either attached to me by leash or if I absolutely can't watch him he's crated--same thing that Melbrod suggested.

The problem with not doing this and not getting them outside before they have an accident is that every accident sets you back--a trainer I knew years ago always said every accident means it'll take you an extra week of house training to have a reliable dog.

And there are lots of puppies (especially male puppies) who need to go out to pee every 20 minutes if they are awake and active.

The bell (or bells) on a string at the door that goes out to the area you take him to pee or poop is a great idea--but you have to teach him to ring the bell when he needs to go out and this takes awhile. Take him to the door, ask him if he needs to go potty and ring the bell, open the door and take him out. Every time!

If you don't have him under constant watch until he is really house trained you will, instead, often end up with a dog who will go and hide, in another room or down a hall and potty--you definitely don't want them to learn that behavior--it gets really tough to retrain them to ask to go out.

Good luck--I always figure I will have no life for about the first four months of having a new puppy in the house.
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Great advice by the others already but I'll add that make sure you are cleaning where he's eliminated indoors really really well with an enzymatic pet cleaner. Nature's Miracle is available at almost any supermarket or Walmart. Puppies tend to want to go again where they've gone before, which is heavily based on smell, and cleaning with this product will help to curb that.

Be sure you are rewarding him really heavily for going outside. Stay out there longer than you have been and start saying "go potty!" "good potty!" or "go poop!" (you decide what has the best ring to it) when he eliminates. He will start to understand that going makes you really happy and that he can not come back in until he's gone. This is an invaluable command if you ever need to take him on road trips and he needs to go quickly in an unfamiliar place too.
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What gk said^^^^

My favorite enzymatic odor reducer is Odor Mute. It's available at Petco and PetSmart. The only downside is it needs to be applied to it dries easily. The upside? You can actually put it right on the dog if he/she has a bad encounter with a skunk! (Been there)

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He is now again strapped to my side, he's unhappy about it, but is just going to have to deal with it. We are going to be getting a crate this weekend when I get paid.

What I just did before we went outside was. I walked him up to the door where the bell is hanging. I showed him that I had a treat, and let him sniff it, and made him follow me with his nose to the bell. I pointed at the bell, and said potty. He poke the bell with his nose enough that it made a jingle, gave him the treat, and we went straight outside, where he did in fact go pee. As he peed I said good boy, potty. When he was done I have give a few treats. We walked around for about 15 more minutes, but no poop.
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Potty training seems like it takes forever when they’re little, but in the grand scheme of things....a little extra care and attention here means you won’t have to worry (much) about it ever being a problem for the future.

Take short cuts here and......have a dog that is never entirely trustworthy *sigh*
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I'd worry about the bell after you get him 100% housebroken. Trying to add that in now might not be great since he does not yet know he's supposed to only eliminate outside. Dobes are smart too- mine have easily learned to ask to go outside by touching the door handle with a nose poke. No bell noises necessary!
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They are very smart for sure. Right now there is no sign usually that he has to go. It's just the normal run, run, OH GOTTA PEE! Haha.

The only thing I have noticed about him when he is getting close to needing to poop is he will silently fart, but I swear to God!!!! It smells just like he pooped on the floor, lol.
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Not sure if it will help, but our guys are about the same age. While you have him leashed to you, take a little time and pretend to be busy with something...but watch him like a hawk. You will start to learn his pre-potty behaviors pretty quick. Radar generally finds two spots outside to pee in the morning, and usually just one every other time. As far as #2, the timer usually starts when I feed him. If he doesn't poo on the first trip outside, there is a good chance he will have to go within about 20 mins after breakfast. If it is possible, try to work your morning routine around his potty schedule. Eventually he will get it. Radar has gotten pretty good....but he is a "sneak-pooper" sometimes now that he is past the point of being connected to my hip. That is getting less and less frequent now that his recall is getting better.
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For pee I haven't quite picked up on his signals quite yet.

For poop he will usually head to the dining room (which I can see from the living room, or kitchen, and he will sniff circle the dining table.

I am SOOO happy that this past summer we tore out ALL the carpet, and redid all the wood underneath. I mean literally every room had carpet in it.
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When he pees in the house, is it near the door you let him out? It took me a while to figure out, but what I thought was just your typical "zoomies" around the living room was actually him telling me he has to pee. He will run through the room to the front door, weave through the shoes on the rug, sniff a little towards the other end of the room, then pee on the area rug . In general, now if I see him near the door even for a second or two I will let him out. For poop, he generally slows down and goes a little wide-legged for a few steps....and LOTS of sniffing. Right before he tries to go, he will kind of back into a squat. He also lets some deadly farts fly if it's been a little while since he pooped.
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I have started to notice that his routine before poop, or pee is that he will go to the dinning room. He will sometimes go in the living room, but about 90% of the accidents accrue in the dining room. Just behind the dining table, so when he goes over there sniffing around, I know it's time to leash him up, and go outside.

This morning he did very well. He peed outside 3 times, and pooped once. (He got a pile of treats for that, lol.)
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What a room to pick as a bathroom

It seems like just before you get ready to boot the little pee machine out for good, he gets the process. But it sounds like you (and Luci) are figuring it out.
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I have started to notice that his routine before poop, or pee is that he will go to the dinning room. He will sometimes go in the living room, but about 90% of the accidents accrue in the dining room. Just behind the dining table, so when he goes over there sniffing around, I know it's time to leash him up, and go outside.

This morning he did very well. He peed outside 3 times, and pooped once. (He got a pile of treats for that, lol.)
YAY! Good boy Luci! Hopefully he keeps it up!
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Had 3 girls, over the decades - between 9 to 10 weeks old.
- 1st needed out every 45 minutes
- 2nd needed out every 30 minutes
- 3rd needed out every 20 minutes

I also let pups sleep between mom & dad, in the master bed...never an accident.
- but I awake like an Owl at night, when pup awakes & stirs
- I will not let them walk on the top of the bed or do circles
- immediately we head outside

Outside I talk it up / "lets go pee-pee" or "lets go poo-poo"...over and over, in a kind voice.
- soon by watching them walk & hunt for a perfect spot, I can tell a #2 from a #1
- longer grass, is also a good place to teach potty

Love Luci stories of her smarts & willingness to please / reminds me of our former Amy.
- start naming each toy & tack the phrase "baby" on the end (eg. "get duck baby")
- Amy knew about 40 toys by name / so fun to watch & builds their mental strength...with a job to do
- also like how human items are diff. than dog toys / they can learn this quick...Luci sounds adorable
- we even had Kelly helping mom empty clothes dryer / she would carry undies or dad socks, to bedroom with mom...she learned to be gentle with stuffies and bait mom with her shoe, coming home from work

------------Kelly & (Amy - RIP @ 11.7 y/o)

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My boy McCoy came home the day before Thanksgiving 3 years ago. As it was a total surprise, we were really unprepared. I had 1/2 day to get my s..t together before I drove down to Southern Oregon and picked him up. I borrowed a medium sized Vari-Kennel from our vet. When McCoy got home we hung out and then I tossed in the blanket he had driven home with in the truck.

The little guy slept open crated for 9 hours! Not a peep (or a pee). I took him out in the AM and all was good. He was 10 weeks old. This little guy was almost trained immediately. I can count on one hand the number of times he peed or pooped in the house. He self crated immediately. I have never had to shut his crate door.

Sometimes you just luck out! LOL

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As you've seen I have made quite a few different posts about Lucifer.



I am going to sort of compile all the recent updates here, and ask for further advice on potty training methods.



He is such a good smart boy, he really is. He has learned so much with VERY little effort on my part. When it comes to his bed/blanket all I really had to do was tell/show him once that, that was his bed. I took him to it, and I told him your bed. Ever since that moment when I point, and say "go to your bed." He goes right to his bed, and lays/sits there.



Whenever we get him a new toy I present it to him, and say "your toy," and give it to him. When starts to play with something that is not his I say "no, not your toy," and he will leave it alone, and go find his toys.



When we go out to potty it only took me 3 tries to teach him to sit, and wait while I put on his leash, and when we come inside he will sit, and wait for me to take off the leash. (I always hated when a dog would jump, and run, and pull you to death when you tried to take their leash off.) So I made it a point the moment we got him to teach him to wait until the leash was on, or off.



He is a very good boy. A lot better than I expected to be honest. I've been around a lot of puppies in my life time, and a lot of them were quite literally little monsters, lol. So I am impressed with Luci.



Now to the potty training point. He has been doing a little better, but we're still having quite a few accidents. I get up at 5:30am every morning. The first thing I do is use the bathroom myself before I explode, then leash up Luci, and take him out. He will sniff around, find a spot, and pee. Run around a little bit more then pee again, then he will pull his leash like he wants back in. We'll go back inside, and I will start to make my husbands lunch. Which usually takes me about 10 minutes. (Make 2 sandwiches, and pour his tea.) When I turn around after I get that done there are literally I swear 5 piddles of pee, and at least 2 piles of poop. -_- It seems to me that I am taking him out at least every 20 minutes. Sometimes he goes potty, sometimes he doesn't. Each time that he does go potty I give him a treat. Either I have treats in my pocket, or when we go in I'll say "good boy, lets get a treat," and he will head to the kitchen, and sit until I give him his treat. Still we have more potty inside than we do outside. I know he is a puppy, and it will happen for a while.



This morning I was drinking my coffee, just looking at him, and it accrued to me that he really responds to commands that are more... challenging? If that makes any sense. So I remembered that my husband has this smaller cow bell on string. So I decided I would hang it on our front door, and each time I would take him out to potty I would take him to the bell, and use his paw to smack it, treat him, then we would head outside.



Is there anything else I could/should be doing to encourage going potty outside more?


The potty bells are a great idea... but my male loved to ring them on a non stop basis. It was a game to him. I would say he was about 5 months old the last time we had any accidents inside. He also excelled at training and it was frustrating. I have a 21 week old female and we were very frustrated with her peeing small puddles all over . She is walked numerous times a day and let out when she needs to go. She is so smart too.... already passed her CGC. She hasn’t had an accident in 4 days.... her little pees are my fault though; she had a UTI and I didn’t know until we went to vet last week bc when I was cleaning up her urine, it had a weird ammonia like smell. To make matters worse, I was pulling the water at 8:00pm bc I was trying to avoid more pee. My vet said this was making her even more dehydrated and the UTI worse. She was given a week of clavamox and will be done in a few days. She has unlimited access to fresh water all of the time. I temporarily have her sleeping in my bed (eye roll , I know ) so she can nudge me when she needs to go out in the middle of the night. I would rather do this than clean up pee and there is something really therapeutic about a puppy sleeping in your arms .

Again, No accidents in 4 days. We are relieved but at the same time I am really beating myself up about the water deal at night. Learned a very valuable lesson and moving right along ! My point is.... take Luci to vet to rule that out... also ask them to send to the lab (this usually takes a day for results) but it is more thorough than her briefly looking at in under a microscope. I also have them do a fecal EVERY TIME I go to the vet. Learned a tough lesson with my male’s coccidia when he was a puppy and was dumb to just let the techs tell me (oh that medicine killed it and no way he has it anymore. Well guess what? He did. It took a long time to get rid of and each time they would say “you really don’t need a fecal” but I would Demand it and sure enough the vet would still see some in there! I forgot the first name of the drug they wanted to prescribe to my female for the UTI , but the vet typed it into the computer and it said not to give to dobermans somewhere in her notes so she went with clavamox. Good luck with Luci


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He is doing very well so far. Again yesterday he went potty in the morning 3 pee, and 1 poop, and 2 accidents in the whole day. 1, I was making dinner, and my husband was paying attention, and 2 was someone accidently trapped him in our bedroom, and we didn't notice till too late. Super proud of him.

This morning we went out for a little longer, and got 3 pees, 2 poops. That was at 5:30am, been taking him out every 20 minutes, and no accidents so far!!!! Very very happy so far. Great way to start the day!

When we do go out we walk all around by the areas go goes potty most. Every 3-4 minutes I will say potty, or say it when he starts sniffing the ground. Whenever he gets distract by something I will tug his leash slightly, and say lets go potty, and he go back to doing his sniffing thing.

In addition to having him tied to me. If I am super busy I will untie him from my waist, but I will still leave his leash on him while he is walking around the house, and the way he acts with it, it almost seems like having it still attached to him gives him a sense of security. It really looks like when he still has the leash on in the house, he WANTS to hold his potty in, and wait. Which honestly if it's working, I don't have a problem with it, haha.
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Additional Update: It had been an hour, and a half nice we went outside to potty, and he has not had any accidents yet today. When we did go outside he went poop, and pee right away!

Also since I put him on a 4 cup a day diet. (2 in the morning, 2 in the evening with treats in between.) He has done well with it, and I think he is finally learning to not hog down his food in one shot. Both yesterday, and today he would eat about half of what was in his bowl, then eat the rest around lunch time. Which I think is helping him be able to hold his potty better.

I just keep falling in love with him every day. Everyday he does something that just blows my mind. I mean I know it's "training" him, but I swear all I really do is just talk. He just ran to the living room, and grabbed my 5yr old coat, and I said simply, but firmly said no, you go get your toy! He then runs to our room, and got his teddy bear. We were playing, and he started to nip at my hand, and I softly said, ow, no, and he stopped right away. He is just so smart it kills me, lol.
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Additional Update: It had been an hour, and a half nice we went outside to potty, and he has not had any accidents yet today. When we did go outside he went poop, and pee right away!

Also since I put him on a 4 cup a day diet. (2 in the morning, 2 in the evening with treats in between.) He has done well with it, and I think he is finally learning to not hog down his food in one shot. Both yesterday, and today he would eat about half of what was in his bowl, then eat the rest around lunch time. Which I think is helping him be able to hold his potty better.

I just keep falling in love with him every day. Everyday he does something that just blows my mind. I mean I know it's "training" him, but I swear all I really do is just talk. He just ran to the living room, and grabbed my 5yr old coat, and I said simply, but firmly said no, you go get your toy! He then runs to our room, and got his teddy bear. We were playing, and he started to nip at my hand, and I softly said, ow, no, and he stopped right away. He is just so smart it kills me, lol.
If at some point in the future he starts gobbling his food down, they make special bowls for that purpose. I usually will just use a muffin pan to slow him down...its a good way to keep him busy for a minute in the morning/night so you can get something done without having to worry about him getting into stuff or going potty.
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