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Our Doberman turns 3 on the 13th. In our home we have my wife and i and our two boys (who are now 14 and 8). A couple years ago my pup was playing with another dog when I went to separate him and he snapped. Started growling and biting at me. I met up with my breeder immediately and began working with him to nip it in the butt. For reference, my breeder is listed on the DPCA and is well respected by others on the list. So for the last couple of years I've been working with him, training. Since then he has snapped at me twice, with the last time making contact on my arm and breaking skin. Both times I've pinned him down and said NO! The strange part in all of this is that he shows no sign of any aggression, it's a split second reaction, and as soon as he does it, he immediately cowers his ears and knows he messed up. He has a special relationship with my 8 year old. They are always together, he's even taught him to play hide and go seek with him and knows when my son yells "ready" to come and find him. Yesterday while give him a treat, he commanded him to sit and out of nowhere he growled and attacked. My son screaming, jumps on the couch to avoid further attacks, but the first attack was enough. My dog is not neutered, and I understand that, that can solve some problems, but I also know that neutering isn't a miracle cure. Since being in touch with my breeder she has said bring him back. And while that is amazing, our whole family is having such a hard time with the idea of losing him because he is such a part of our family. Even my son, who was bit, began crying again and when I asked why he said, "I'm just thinking of all the good times we've had"......This is so incredibly hard...

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Welcome to DT, I'm glad you've come here to try and get some suggestions and answers with your boy. You don't mention it but have you taken him to see your vet to rule out any potential medical causes? Are you working with a trainer at all? One who's familiar with strong intelligent breeds like a doberman? Pinning him down and saying "No" can actually worsen the problem and you should not do that any more. I agree that neutering is not going to fix this. Where are you located? I ask so folks can recommend a trainer or veterinary behaviorist.
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I would immediately limit his contact with your kids, and agree with getting him a health check. If there are no medical issues, then a consult with certified canine behavorist. I'm glad your breeder will take him back if that is what needs to happen - your first responsibility is to your children.
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I agree that he should go back to his breeder. The first thing that should be done is full vet check with bloodworm and full thyroid panel.
Sometimes a dog is just wired wrong - it happens just like it can with people, but rule out health first.

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Seeing the photo of your little son I can hardly trust myself to give a calm response.

Testing the dog for medical problems, fine, but take him back to breeder and let her do the testing.

Don't give the dog another chance around your son to even solidify that behavior in his mind. The breeder you got the dog from knows his pedigree and health and temperment I am sure. But, as was said, your son comes first here.

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Thanks everyone for your input. It doesn't seem real that we are going to take him back, but that is what we are going to do. 99% of the time he is wonderful. He's my shadow, my boy. Looking at him and knowing how he is, you would never expect anything like this, but it's our reality. ughhh...I hate having to make this decision :-(
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You have to put your families safety first - it is sad, but I think you did the right thing. Thank God for breeders who will take their dogs back!

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Dave, you did the right thing and it would have been incredible difficult for anyone to do.
You would never have forgiven yourself if an incident happened again, that was worse than the first and in which your son was seriously injured. Not forgetting the emotional trauma. I too am grateful for a breeder that takes her stock back in instances like this.
I hope you can stay in touch with her to know if she found a physical cause or other.

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Sorry to hear about your dobe aggression issues, on family members / back to the breeder, is best.

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My heart hurts for you today. I understand the fear of having a human aggressive dog in the house all too well, and while there are management steps that can be taken, this is a very difficult path, and certainly not one that is safe to take with children in the house.

It may be anthropomorphism, but I believe that dogs too are very distressed when they hurt their humans in situations like these. Such a sad situation for everyone involved. I too am thankful that your breeder is taking him back, helping to keep him and your family safe.
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I'm in complete agreement here, placing him back with the breeder to assess these issues was the best thing you could've done. Better now than to wait for another attack and have a family member seriously hurt. Like someone mentioned before, sometimes dogs are just wired wrong, like people can be sometimes. But I feel your pain on this and send my sympathies. It's never fun having to make such a hard decision, even if the right one.

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