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Puppy biting

Hello, new poster / dobie owner. I've had Apollo for about a month now. He's 14 weeks. He was a terrible biter and nothing worked, consistently tried everything advised, met with a trainer and did everything he said regarding a leash and commands etc. with little improvment, then read elsewhere on the forum to stick a finger down his throat. After doing that a few times and another family member doing it he doesn't bite humans anymore, he plays with his paws more and licks / nibbles and is much nicer. We still redirect with a toy if he gets too excited and generally play with a toy or ball anyways. However I have an 8 year old German Shepard and he uses her as a chew toy. Constantly has puffs of her fur in his mouth, and just won't leave her alone no matter how many walks or how long I've played with him. Part of it is that she plays with him too, but everyday he pushes her until she's had more than enough. He's never aggressive with other dogs and the ones he does play with he plays nicely with. It's just her he's always nipping / chewing on.

So, how should we teach him that roughly the same rules apply with her as they do with people? (she's very tolerant and will growl or snap at him when she's had enough but he's big enough that he isn't listening to that anymore)
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I have moved your post to a new thread so you get more responses. I'm going to generally refrain from commenting on how you dealt with puppy biting, except to say that I would *personally* recommend finding a different trainer that uses very different methods.

As far as the biting with your other dog, many stable, older adult dogs will give young puppies a "pass" that adults do not get. They will tolerate, to a point, behavior from puppies that is really obnoxious, and then *appropriately* correct them when they cross the line. By appropriately I mean a very, very inhibited correction, not hurting them, just communicating to them. If you can read dog behavior well, you can tell if your older dog is communicating well and tolerating your puppy. I allow older dogs that are good with puppies to do that, but I also give puppies time outs to calm down (and give older dogs a break) when puppy behavior gets too obnoxious. Eventually they do learn to calm down. Your puppy is only 14 weeks old - he's a BABY. If your dog is giving him signs that she's had enough, just remove him from play. Give him a break in his crate for a while. If you just enforce a time out from play when he gets over the top he will learn to tone it down.

Please, please find a different trainer that uses dog friendly methods that are appropriate for baby puppies.


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The dog walks will not help tire-out this puppy to learn manners, around the older GSD.
- he is all full of piss & vinegar & extra prey drive
- even trying to hurt humans feet with paws, is very deliberate...sign of puppy inflicting dominance

He needs 24/7 supervision, left in free roaming around the GSD, in house...probably for up to another year.
- when biting fur & chaos escalates...adult needs to quickly intervine & become the human shield (The Ruler)
- use your legs to break up the two / send each dog to a separate rest area or pup crated...enforce time out
- when house rules fail, the FUN must Stops...and be firm & quick...ASAP timing is Key

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My Doberman Buddy he will be 11 in April we also have a Miniature Dachshund Queenie she is 4 months old and bites with her shark teeth. Buddy is very tolerant of her but I make sure Buddy has a break 3-4 times during the day. It is not fair to keep them together all of the time no matter how tolerant your German Shepard is she was there first. I will leave one outside one inside or let Buddy in my bedroom where his bed is I do not let the puppy in my bedroom that is where my computer is & lots of wires. Do not make your girl the only sitter make sure you have alone time with your pup. You do not want your pup to ignore you in the future because he is more bonded to the GS than you. Good Luck
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- when biting fur & chaos escalates...adult needs to quickly intervine & become the human shield (The Ruler)
- use your legs to break up the two / send each dog to a separate rest area or pup crated...enforce time out
- when house rules fail, the FUN must Stops...and be firm & quick...ASAP timing is Key
Thanks for the great advice, this worked really well today. He knows the commands off and gentle, so instead of just saying them while he harassed Kyrsha (the GSD) I got in the middle to play referee. I'd just push him off and tell him gentle if he was being too rough, then after a few minutes after I'd do that he'd flop on his back and bite himself. I was thinking great some new problem to fix but noticed that he kept biting himself lighter and lighter and biting her lighter and lighter. It took about 10 minutes but we got to where we were all happily playing and he wasn't pulling out chunks of hair anymore and she was having fun too. He got lots of praise and it was a good session.
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^^ Glad I could help.

Many behavior issues can be corrected by getting in front of the dog...and block unwanted stuff, with ones legs...in a calm & confident manner.
- from digging holes in the lawn & it needs to stop ASAP
- to eliminating one dog bullying another / until problem dog learns manners

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