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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-18-2017, 08:31 PM Thread Starter
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I have 2 dobes, my female, Lola is 4 yrs. old (85 lbs.) and my male, Jack is 6 yrs. old (140 lbs.) No, Jack is not a "warlock", he is just huge, no fat, all muscle. His parents are both European and are of normal size, and all of his litter mates grew to normal size. The breeders were in no way attempting to create oversized dobermans, Jack is just a fluke of nature. (He does have a thyroid issue, however, and takes medication for that.) All of that aside though, I have concerns as to whether my dogs would truly protect me in a threatening situation. Lola is my go-getter and Jack prefers to hang back and let Lola "handle things". Both will bark if someone approaches the house (i.e. comes to the door) but are very quick to quiet down. Jack wants nothing to do with any drama and will even hide behind me if he even thinks there might be potential for trouble. We have never even heard Jack growl before. I spoke about it with my vet one day and told him that I was concerned that if I was walking down the street with Jack and a potential attacker assaulted me (I only weigh 100 lbs.) that Jack would just stand there and do nothing, or worse yet, run away from the situation. My vet laughed hard and said, "honey, it doesn't even matter because if an attacker saw you walking down the street with Jack, they wouldn't go near you!" I hope he's right. At the same time, I'm just waiting for the day when I come home to an empty house and find Jack and Lola sitting where my couch used to be, and looking up at me to say "Bummer, man, you got ripped off while you were gone..."
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Your vet is most likely correct. However if you want to see what your Dobes might be capable of, you can find a clinic that tests Doberman aptitude. It's called a Workers Aptitude Evaluation. You can find clinics and more information about what to expect here: DPCA | The Doberman | Temperament | WAE
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Not casting aspersions on Jack--but is there any possibility he is mixed with something? Bitches can actually have puppies in the same litter with different male sires. He sounds HUGE! But you know that.

It can be hard to tell if a dobe will protect you under pressure or not. I know my first male loved everyone; I never heard him growl, nothing. Until the time he saw a drunk reeling in the parking lot we were in--he growled, stood in front of me--I had no doubt that he would have flown at the guy had he come closer to us (if he had been off leash.)

On the other hand, some dogs that bark and make a fuss are really reacting with fear and will buckle under pressure.

There are temperament and working ability tests you can take with your dog where the dog is judged by his reaction to various stimuli in order to see if he would react appropriately in a threatening situation.

With any dog, though, their appearance tends to be the main deterrent...after all, all it takes is a gun to stop a dog in its tracks.

It might be an urban legend, but I’ve actually heard of burglars bringing a small female dog in heat into a house “guarded” by a male dog. Guess who gets the dog’s attention?

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I live in South Dakota, how would one go about accessing this? I would be very interested in doing this.
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Thank you, but no, Jack came from a very reputable breeder that we have used in the past. I am aware that a litter can be the result of different dads but this wasn't the case. Jack's dad was imported from Poland and his mother was imported from Estonia, both are beautiful show dogs and are within standards. My breeder had no intentions of trying to produce large dobermans. His parents are of normal size and all of his litter mates grew to normal size. Jack was the same size as his litter mates when we got him and we were all shocked when he just continued to grow and grow (he used to weigh 150 lbs.) I guess it's possible that Jack's mom could have mated with an elephant when no one was looking- LOL! He's just a huge active boy. I would have to say that Jack probably does look menacing, but it's all show as he's actually a scaredy cat, and also a velcro dog-- last summer I was standing on the porch in flip flops speaking with a friend, and as usual Jack was smacked up as close as possible, leaning against me. I took a side step so he wouldn't knock me over, and he side stepped along with me, placing his paw directly on top of my foot, and he fractured my foot in 2 places. He's the BIGGEST baby I've ever seen and he has no clue how big he is. Of course he thinks he's a lap dog. Both of our dobies sleep in bed with us, so I feel like I'm sleeping with 2 adult men in some sort of crazy foursome, but I wouldn't have it any other way. We love Jack just the way he is and he loves everyone back. He allows our small grandchildren to "ride" on his back. I don't know who thinks it's more fun, Jack or the grandkids--

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I posted the link above. You can check for upcoming clinics that way.
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I would have to say that Jack probably does look menacing, but it's all show as he's actually a scaredy cat, and also a velcro dog
Okay now you have to post some photos!! :-)
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I think whether or not a dog will protect without any training, depends on the individual dog.

When I was 14, I finally talked my Mom into letting me get a dog. I rescued a small female mixed breed, she looked like a tiny Labrador mix, that weighed about 20 lbs.

This girl loved everybody. She and I walked many miles together and met many people. She never barked or growled at a single one, until one day...

I live in a tourist area, Myrtle Beach, SC and my parents owned a small motel. We lived on the premises, right on the boulevard. On the street behind our motel was a Greek Restaurant. The owner had kids who were my friends and they were at this restaurant most days in the Summer. We used to sit on the brick wall that separated the restaurant from the lot next to it. Making a long story short, their was a Greek cook there that was very creepy and didn't speak English. There was something in the way that he looked at you that made me feel uncomfortable.

While sitting on this wall one day, he comes out and he comes up to us kids and he's looking at me. I have my dog with me. As he walks closer, my girl tenses and emits a low growl. He proceeds to put his hand on my bare leg and all hell broke loose. My tiny 20lb girl threw herself off the wall at him snarling and biting. I was in shock. She chased him as he ran into the restaurants back door.

I was terrified that I was going to get into trouble and that someone would take my dog and put her down. I got her and took her home.

The end of the story is that nothing happened to me or my girl and the owner fired the worker after hearing what his kids told him.

My sweet girl never growled at another person from that day on. She lived to the ripe old age of 17. I had to put her down when I was 31. One of the hardest things I had ever had to do.

I've heard this saying of it doesn't matter the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog. My little girl proved that.

On another note, I agree with the others that the size and breed of your sweet Jack is most likely to keep you from harm.

I don't know if my girl Jazzy would protect me and I hope she and I are never in the position to find out.

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I have two Doberman rescues, full breeds. That I have had for less than 2 years. Long story short I was taking my dogs out for a walk in downtown Los Angeles in an area that was dimly lit and had some homeless people sleeping on the street. Mind you my dogs have never been aggressive towards anyone they are little hams, but this night as we were walking this homeless sprung up from the floor and tried to grab my arm, not sure why but both dogs literally jumped at him and pushed him to the ground. They went crazy barking and we left immediately, its been about 3 months since that happened, but I now know that if I was ever in danger my dobies would be there to protect me in a jiffy.
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Yes, you're right about bringing along a female in heat. I've also heard of burglars bringing along steak.....
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I will post photos in the near future.... I have to say, I'm not very computer savvy, I don't have a 12 yr old (and I don't want to adopt one anytime soon ) I'm not sure how to download photos, but when my grown son comes home for a visit, I will have him help me. thanks so much for asking!
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Yes, you're right about bringing along a female in heat. I've also heard of burglars bringing along steak.....
Unless the burglars are targeting your house for something specific, I wouldn't put too much stock in these urban legends. Bringing another dog or treats to distract a dog in the house is too much to handle while you're trying to get in and out with the loot as fast as possible. And what if the steak runs out while you're still in the house? Criminals are looking for easy targets.

The best burglar deterrent is a dog, period. No criminal wants to deal with that when the house next door doesn't have a dog.

Source: Not all of my childhood friends grew up to be upstanding citizens.
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Unless the burglars are targeting your house for something specific, I wouldn't put too much stock in these urban legends. Bringing another dog or treats to distract a dog in the house is too much to handle while you're trying to get in and out with the loot as fast as possible. And what if the steak runs out while you're still in the house? Criminals are looking for easy targets.

The best burglar deterrent is a dog, period. No criminal wants to deal with that when the house next door doesn't have a dog.

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i would also add that most criminals do not want to deal with the house that is next door to the Doberman occupied home.
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This thread is great!

It's hard to say if Zuko would protect me or my husband if we were approached or attacked by an assailant. He is very submissive, always has been. Another dog will take his bone away and he'll sit there and pout about it. Not aggressive with anybody, loves all people. He's never done anything other than play growl if we're playing with rope. He is great at the dog park with other dogs. NOT a leader but a great follower. On occasion there will be a dog that gets intimidated by his size that they start barking at him, and then Zuko starts barking back, though he does the play bow his deep barking unsettles some people. He doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body. We live in a pretty safe neighborhood though, and have never been in a situation like those others are describing. So I guess I'm just not sure what he would do if something were to happen.

He will bark when the front door opens or if he sees someone across the street from our house. That alone usually scares the ba-jesus out of people, so I'm assuming if someone were to enter our house when we are not there, they would immediately high-tail it out of there the second they heard the barking.
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So, I guess I'm not worried about it because the barking + the imposing look make for a great deterrent in itself. More often than not, people just assume he is dangerous that they don't even bother with us. I've seen people literally cross the street in front of us because of that assumption, even though he is gentleman on lead, never barks at other people or dogs. Secretly I don't mind!

It is funny to see the occasional Maltese/Shih-Tzu bark their heads off at him as they pass by while their owners pull them along in embarrassment, knowing full-well by the look of him that Zuko could literally bite them in half....
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i would also add that most criminals do not want to deal with the house that is next door to the Doberman occupied home.
You're right about potential criminals most likely avoiding the home that has the "dobie house next door". I've always been slightly amused by the reaction some have to the breed~ that first impression that can say "I'm all-business, and no-nonsense~ bring it on." I personally believe it's all about those beautiful cropped ears!! Perhaps a little bit intimidating? (and I'm sort of okay with this~ lol) With natural ears, our beautiful dobes might even appear a little less "aggressive" and can sometimes give the impression of looking a bit like a friendly hound dog! I tell ya, the ears can fool ya! lol.
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i have went through Drive -Thru food places and they would not pass the food to me because of my pointy eared passenger!
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With natural ears, our beautiful dobes might even appear a little less "aggressive" and can sometimes give the impression of looking a bit like a friendly hound dog! I tell ya, the ears can fool ya! lol.
To be honest, the most frightening "look" one of my dogs ever achieved was done by a floppy eared Dobe/something else mix. I was walking her, and some guy walking the opposite direction asked me a question. Gin didn't bark, growl, or even show her teeth. She simply grew. She went from laid back, easy-going hound type dog to a hyper-alert, forward looking "take one step closer, and you will wish you hadn't" protector in about two seconds flat. Wisely, the guy didn't try to come any closer to us. I'd never seen her do it before, and I never saw her do it again.
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i have went through Drive -Thru food places and they would not pass the food to me because of my pointy eared passenger!


That's hilarious. Same thing happened to me once at a drive through. My person actually screamed, almost dropped the bag. She had to call another girl over to hand me my food.

They can look intense, so I guess it's to be expected at times. Of course my girls "intense" look was not at the person, but rather the yummy smelling bag of food they had. Lol!


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I know, right? I swear it's those cropped ears!
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