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Burns 08-16-2008 11:52 AM

Need advice on good brands of electronic collars
 
Well I've decided to buy an electronic/remote collar. Red has been blowing off recalls more and more on our off-leash walks through the woods, and I've had enough. I know he knows better but I need his recalls to be solid - not just when he feels like returning.

I know that remote collars are not a substitute for training - believe me, I train my dog! But I've come to the point that I think this would be a helpful thing to aid in helping Red's intermittent selective hearing.

I have no idea where to start in regards of brands, models, quality, etc. I can't spend a ton of money on this - I don't need a super fancy one. Just need something that works well and I can use a few times a week when we go for our off leash walks.

What brand/model do you use? Would you recommend it? Or what brand/model would you recommend for me?

Santa 08-16-2008 12:06 PM

It's certainly worth a try. I got one for Zac for the same reason and, to be honest, it didn't work. The only thing that does, and it does work solidly every time (for us), is saying 'goodbye, Zac, see you tomorrow' and turning and walking off in the opposite direction, letting him think I'll leave him.

Burns 08-16-2008 12:17 PM

Thanks for the reply. Another reason why I don't need a really expensive one - in case it doesn't work for him. I wish saying I would leave him would work for Red too - but when he is in the woods following his nose or a noise, he could care less if I leave him or not..

Travis 08-16-2008 12:20 PM

Have never used one, but I hear and read that Tri-Tronic and Dogtra collars are pretty decent.

reisende 08-16-2008 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 232517)
Have never used one, but I hear and read that Tri-Tronic and Dogtra collars are pretty decent.

that's what I've read and heard too. dogtra has got some easy to use, and wide range of models, some with up to a medium-level shock and some higher-level (more expensive, naturally). some come with 1/2mile radius, and some much much longer (no point for our non-hunting/flushing dobes).

I tried searching on ebay before.. I would buy it from those vendors on ebay if I could!

if/when you get your e-collar, do share with us how Red responds to your recalls! I'm all for e-collars under the correct training and circumstances.
good luck!

KEstep 08-16-2008 12:34 PM


berkshire 08-16-2008 01:15 PM

On the Front and Finish list-serve, the Dogtra collars haven't gotten great reviews. TriTronics has, though. Innotek is the other brand that gets good reviews.

As far as suppliers, I've been happy with Gun Dog Supply (see Tri-tronics Dog Training Collars, Tracking Systems, No Bark Collars Retriever & Bird Dog Gear. Save on Innotek, Petsafe, DT Systems, Dogtra, & Tritronics Dog Collar) for training supplies.

RedFawnRising 08-16-2008 01:45 PM

Ah, okay, this is right up my alley, as my Kylie girl forced me into reluctant education on electronic collar shopping.

Before I go into that, though, you do know the ethics rule is ya gotta shock you first at each level you will be using, right? Hehe. (That way, you are prepared when you get those folks who throw it in your face--Why don't you put it on yourself?!)

This is the one we finally settled on, and I LOVE it. I can't find at the moment the exact link I ordered mine from, and you'll probably want to comparison shop anyway, but this was "only" about $170, with free shipping. It has every bell and whistle you'd want, too, is lightweight, small, and takes abuse well (Kylie chewed the antennae and it still works!).

Here is the lower level stim version--if you think the "stubborn dog" model is not right for Red <--it DEFINITELY was for Kylie!

I had a Tri-tronics collar and was horrified to discover one day that, after one of Kylie's water adventures, it was randomly shorting out and thus shocking her indiscriminately. Ugh. It was supposed to be okay in water--and she'd just been playing in puddles, not swimming, but, agh, I can't explain the guilt I felt--plus I got the crap shocked outta me when I checked it--and it was never supposed to be on that extreme level, just complete malfunction.

I'm NOT saying it was a Tri-tronics fault; it may have entirely been our error and I never properly followed up with the company, although I did report the incident and got mediocre customer service before deciding to cut my losses.

I totally understand the not wanting to fork over a lot (money was way tight when I bought the Sportdog collar, personally) but here is where I landed with it: This is something I plan on using for years, off and on as needed, with different dogs, possibly. It needs to be tough, reliable, convenient, and LAST in a safe manner.

All my hours, days, weeks of training do not deserve to be blown by a malfunctioning collar, and my dogs sure as heck don't deserve to be corrected for doing nothing wrong.

So, not to be an alarmist or get ya shakin' in your shoes over which collar to buy, but do be careful and read those reviews, particularly on longevity/guarantees.

Oh, and to get you something to look forward to--it's a beautiful moment when you see those wheels turning in their eyes...Blow her off, don't blow her off, um, yeah, let's do an immediate about face and get running back to my human!




aquaholic 08-16-2008 01:52 PM

My behavioral specialist recommend the Multivet Spray Commander.

doberkim 08-16-2008 01:52 PM

I only use TriTronics for my own dogs, have for years and never had a single complaint with them ever.

that being said, I personally see no use in wasting money in a crappy collar - even if you only want to use it for a certain reason, I want a collar to be functional when I need it, every time I need it. I've been using Rah's collar since I had Bowie (since 2002) and it's still working, despite many dips in the lake/ocean, playdates in the snow, trips to the beach, etc. I've lost antennae, replaced them, had them die, left them out in the rain, had them chewed, you name it. Berlin's breeder also uses TriTronics and is very happy with them - I only know this because I accidentally took one of hers home once :) elle also uses tritronics - her dog swims in his every time we go out.

Innotek, Dogtra, and Tritronics would be the only collars I would recommend as having used and experienced them personally, each ones have varying different collars in their lines that have more or less functions they offer. If you are using it weekly, that IS a fair amount of use and you don't want to discover that you got a crappy collar when you have it on your dog. Crappy quality collars have poor contact, poor reliabiliy over distance, and more of a risk of doing harm to your dog than any good. I was so pleased with my TriTronics I have my new one charging right now, waiting to be used :)

I have to go now, I have a sick fascination with Chris Hoy and he's about to race in a keiran and I need to watch... he's wearing those cute racing outfits. I'm drooling...

robinb 08-16-2008 01:58 PM

I have the tri-tronics sportsmen g-2, they have discontinued that collar and it's now the g-3, I think. It's been a great collar and I have no complaints. I personally want a 1/2 mile range on mine as I hike in the woods where range will be affected.

If I were going to buy another collar now it probably would be this one: Dogtra Electronic Collars - FREE SHIPPING Offer - DogEquipment.com

The price does go up with the range, if you can live with less range the price goes down.

I think Dogtra and Tri-tronics are probably the best.

And, I agree with Kim re don't buy any cheap off-brand. I use my collar as an insurance policy when hiking in wild-life areas and I want it to work if needed!

robinb 08-16-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Burns (Post 232516)
Thanks for the reply. Another reason why I don't need a really expensive one - in case it doesn't work for him. I wish saying I would leave him would work for Red too - but when he is in the woods following his nose or a noise, he could care less if I leave him or not..

It will work to improve his selective hearing!!! But it will only work if the collar works consistently. I'd get a decent collar from a good company. A solid re-call could save his life. Many dogs have died taking off after what-ever and getting across a road.

reddobes 08-16-2008 03:19 PM

I have a Tri-Tronics model w/ 1/2 mile range. I don't know the model off the top of my head, but it has multi-level stimulation or beeping (changed from the hand remote) and you stimulate in continuous or pulse mode. It has worked very well... even after a certain dobe puppy stole the remote off the table and chewed the antenna!

You may want to check w/ some of the training facilities in your area - some places will rent them. Otherwise, I'd rather spend an extra $50 or $100 and have a decent range and reliable collar - a good collar will last for years.

Burns 08-16-2008 04:25 PM

Wow thanks for all the GREAT advice, everyone!! I'm going to check out the links and do some serious research. Sounds like most of you like the Tri-Tronics models so I will definitely look into them.

And yeah - you all are right about not buying a cheap-o and make sure it works properly and when I need it to. It's just a lot of money to spend... but when I think about it, the extra money for a good e-collar is definitely worth it if it can save Red's life by ensuring a solid recall.

Thanks again for all the recommendations and experience!!

doberkim 08-16-2008 05:35 PM

I definitely don't think you need the 600 dollar models out there, but I also never recommend anyone get the petsafe models, for instance. there's nice inbetweens. My sports (I think I have the same models, all of varying years, as Robin), give me exactly what I need and only cost about 200 bucks.

rltriplett 08-16-2008 06:05 PM

I bought mine on ebay, Got it about half price. heres the link.
INNOTEK IUT-300 MICRO REMOTE DOG SHOCK TRAINER *** $230 - eBay (item 130242024912 end time Jul-29-08 20:30:00 PDT)
Isabell is the same way. We have a very large unfenced yard (10 Acres). Both of are neighbors have horses. So, for the safety of our little girl I use a Ecollar. Before putting it on her both my wife and I tried it on ourselves first. What we found is that it didn't hurt at all its more what I would call startling. It has a strength meter of 0-9. We use it on level 2, We didn't even feel level 1 and we could barley feel level two.
The Ecollar that we bought has a tone as well as a shock feature. We used the tone before the shock. We only had to use the shock feature twice and that was the first day we got it. After that we have only had to use the tone. This collar is great. I strongly recommend a collar with a tone as well as a shock.

robinb 08-16-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rltriplett (Post 232671)
I bought mine on ebay, Got it about half price. heres the link.
INNOTEK IUT-300 MICRO REMOTE DOG SHOCK TRAINER *** $230 - eBay (item 130242024912 end time Jul-29-08 20:30:00 PDT)
Isabell is the same way. We have a very large unfenced yard (10 Acres). Both of are neighbors have horses. So, for the safety of our little girl I use a Ecollar. Before putting it on her both my wife and I tried it on ourselves first. What we found is that it didn't hurt at all its more what I would call startling. It has a strength meter of 0-9. We use it on level 2, We didn't even feel level 1 and we could barley feel level two.
The Ecollar that we bought has a tone as well as a shock feature. We used the tone before the shock. We only had to use the shock feature twice and that was the first day we got it. After that we have only had to use the tone. This collar is great. I strongly recommend a collar with a tone as well as a shock.

I actually don't ever use the tone. When I need to use an e-collar that means they have already blown off my command, which they understand but decide to blow-off. To my way of thinking a tone would just contribute to getting collar wise. The only time I've ever used the collar without a command is around my horses, here God just makes a rule that you don't mess with the horses. Same with fence running when the horses are in the field next to the dog yard, God just speaks!

jatango 08-16-2008 09:24 PM

Hey Kim, what exact model does Elle use? Wonder swims almost daily and I need something that isn't going to go haywire on me. Wonder is great about recalling if the area is fenced, even if it's 1/2 mile away, but no chain link means no recall. Brat! If we're out having fun and he isn't finished yet, I get the, "Why don't you make me?" At which point I get in the car and lock the doors. He loses his mind, but it the OMG effect doesn't seem to last as he'll do the same routine again the next time. I always reward him with a treat when we leave though, I just don't want his rebellious butt blowing me off!

Santa 08-17-2008 05:12 AM

Ooh, I got confused. I didn't try the electronic shock collar, I tried the spray collar as I don't like the idea of the shock one. He didn't like it, that was for sure, but it still didn't make him come back if he didn't want to. Although I have suggested my friend uses an e-collar on her kids. They really do need a harsh lesson taught to them :D.

avalonandon 08-17-2008 06:30 AM

Thanks for asking this Burns. I am buying one for Sebastian next month and very much needed these insights. Thanks everyone!

Rosamburg 08-17-2008 11:32 AM

I use the dogtra 1500 and have been very happy with the results. That said, some people I know have had trouble out of the gate with their collars. Because of this I would be a bit reluctant to buy through ebay and would rather spend a few extra bucks and get one from a reputable distributor. I got mine from Ralph Gilby at Dogsport gear. It didn't hurt that I was able to go to his store in Surrey, BC, Canada. He also has a distributorship in the states. That way if there is a problem he will take care of it immediately.

Luvbirds 08-18-2008 11:17 AM

Tri-Tronics Sportsmen G-3 This is the model we have.
Tri-tronics G3 SPORT BASIC Collar with FREE Holster

Burns, if you are going to use it for Recall....you have to make it an "act of God" the first time you hit him. it WILL work. You know how Petey is....a bit more intense then your sweetie Red, :p it took only a couple of hits for him to give me 100% recall since, even in the face of crazy distractions, Fawns, Deer, Bears, Dirt bikes, Mt. Bikes and then just the common ones like people and other dogs. I only used the collar from March until June, and now I haven't put it on since. I don't think that it is recommended to stop using it that soon, but for us it is working out just fine. I'm sure that I will need it for the future. I am enjoying Petey's improved hearing, it has made our woods time pure pleasure, the constant worry of running him off lead it gone.

Carol
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KieferstahlDobermann 08-18-2008 11:19 AM

Try Dogtra. It's what we use on our police and Ring dogs. It's got the widest range of correction stimulation and it's a lifetime warranty (even if YOU broke it, they send you a new one) waterproof smash proof and ect. We're really happy with them.

Khiera 08-18-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Luvbirds59 (Post 233438)
I am enjoying Petey's improved hearing, it has made our woods time pure pleasure, the constant worry of running him off lead it gone.

I echo that sentiment! Our walks and hikes in the trails have been so much more enjoyable ever since i started using the ecollar. Dante has more fun as well because i'm not always right on him and constantly calling out for him. His recall has been 100% with the collar on ever since using it. I have a Dogtra 280NCP and really like it.

Burns 08-18-2008 03:24 PM

Thanks again for all the replies!

I'm just SICK of being frustrated and pissed off on our walks when he blows off my recall command. That's the only complaint I have about him. Other than that, he is the perfect walking buddy. I can't wait to start using a collar and be able to enjoy our walks together and not be all nervous and mad all the time!


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