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All I can say to the people that are not citizens of this great country and would like to see the USA be more like europe. I have to ask, what part of europe are you from? The part of europe who's ass the US saved or the part of europe who's ass the US kicked?

All of europe, not to mention the world, receives Trillons of US citizens tax dollars to prop up your economy so the YOU don't starve to death. Instead of being obstinate you should be on your hands and knees thanking us.
While I don't altogether disagree with you, I haven't seen any European on this thread say anything along the lines that this country should be more like Europe. I see one European asking intelligent questions, in an effort to understand our system. To that end, your comments are kind of inappropriate in this thread.



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Yes. There are also limits to how much an individual can donate to a candidate.
Not this Election... Super PAC.

Also, of course the constitution is a living, evolving document. Otherwise we would still consider blacks "1/4 people", women could not vote, interracial marriage would violate the "racial purity law".

Christ, the first 10 are important but governing a world power stuck in the 1700s is an impossibly stupid endeavor. America is better than that.
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All of europe, not to mention the world, receives Trillons of US citizens tax dollars to prop up your economy so the YOU don't starve to death. Instead of being obstinate you should be on your hands and knees thanking us.
Germany, not to mention CHINA, and informed American citizens with a BASIC knowledge of global economics chuckle...

Yes, we rock. Let's not try to play stupid though... Our economy is not propping up any other major market. Quite the opposite.
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All I can say to the people that are not citizens of this great country and would like to see the USA be more like europe. I have to ask, what part of europe are you from? The part of europe who's ass the US saved or the part of europe who's ass the US kicked?

All of europe, not to mention the world, receives Trillons of US citizens tax dollars to prop up your economy so the YOU don't starve to death. Instead of being obstinate you should be on your hands and knees thanking us.
How incredibly arrogant and disrespectful. The OP is asking questions in a respectful and intelligent manner and certainly does not deserve such a response.

"you should be on your hands and knees thanking us"?!?
Saving the world LOL hows that working out for you?
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All of europe, not to mention the world, receives Trillons of US citizens tax dollars to prop up your economy so the YOU don't starve to death. Instead of being obstinate you should be on your hands and knees thanking us.
well, that's not entirely true.. there's a long line to China's ass, and the US is in it to kiss it. We have China to thank for propping us up.
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Yes I'm arrogant and disrespectful as is most of the world is to the US. I'm tired of ungrateful people from other countries telling us, the USA, how terrible we are, burning our flag. Then there are those who move to this country and try to make it like the country they fled from, after prospering from our system, all the time hollering that they are being unjustly treated because they were not born here.

And the only reason we're up China's ass is because of presidental administrations and congresses that make it damn near impossible to do business in this country. But that's changeable because of our constitution.

You know, the best way to educate yourself on the Constitution of the United States...read it!
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"you should be on your hands and knees thanking us"?!?
Saving the world LOL hows that working out for you?

Canada receives 7 billion $ anually from the US, How's that working out for ya!

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Yes I'm arrogant and disrespectful as is most of the world is to the US. I'm tired of ungrateful people from other countries telling us, the USA, how terrible we are, burning our flag. Then there are those who move to this country and try to make it like the country they fled from, after prospering from our system, all the time hollering that they are being unjustly treated because they were not born here.

And the only reason we're up China's ass is because of presidental administrations and congresses that make it damn near impossible to do business in this country. But that's changeable because of our constitution.

You know, the best way to educate yourself on the Constitution of the United States...read it!
Seriously, I'm an American and your sentiments disgust me.

Have you traveled much? I've made friends all over the world and there has never been an ounce of disrespect or arrogance directed towards each other or our cultures. Shame on you for being so ignorant.
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All I can say to the people that are not citizens of this great country and would like to see the USA be more like europe. I have to ask, what part of europe are you from? The part of europe who's ass the US saved or the part of europe who's ass the US kicked?

All of europe, not to mention the world, receives Trillons of US citizens tax dollars to prop up your economy so the YOU don't starve to death. Instead of being obstinate you should be on your hands and knees thanking us.
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Yes I'm arrogant and disrespectful as is most of the world is to the US. I'm tired of ungrateful people from other countries telling us, the USA, how terrible we are, burning our flag. Then there are those who move to this country and try to make it like the country they fled from, after prospering from our system, all the time hollering that they are being unjustly treated because they were not born here.

And the only reason we're up China's ass is because of presidental administrations and congresses that make it damn near impossible to do business in this country. But that's changeable because of our constitution.

You know, the best way to educate yourself on the Constitution of the United States...read it!
Wow.
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Seriously, I'm an American and your sentiments disgust me.

Have you traveled much? I've made friends all over the world and there has never been an ounce of disrespect or arrogance directed towards each other or our cultures. Shame on you for being so ignorant.
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gunslinger- you are the reason people think Americans are nothing more than gun toting red necks.
( For the record, no- i do not think this guy is a fair representative of the "breed").

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gunslinger- you are the reason people think Americans are nothing more than gun toting red necks.
( For the record, no- i do not think this guy is a fair representative of the "breed").
I find the term "gun toting rednecks" offensive.

Farmers who worked long hours in the fields would put a red badana around their neck to prevent their necks from getting sunburned. My Grandfather was a dairy farmer in the Midwest and would do this while he worked in the fields. Pretty much from sunup to sundown.

Coal Miners used a red badana to signify they were Union Men they would also put it over their face while in the mines to keep coal dust out of their noses and mouths.

There are are other definitions but these are 2 of them and they refer to honest hard working Men.
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I find the term "gun toting rednecks" offensive.

Farmers who worked long hours in the fields would put a red badana around their neck to prevent their necks from getting sunburned. My Grandfather was a dairy farmer in the Midwest and would do this while he worked in the fields. Pretty much from sunup to sundown.

Coal Miners used a red badana to signify they were Union Men they would also put it over their face while in the mines to keep coal dust out of their noses and mouths.

There are are other definitions but these are 2 of them and they refer to honest hard working Men.

OMG why are you getting offended? I DIDNT SAY that is what *I* think i said this is the reason some people feel this way!!
I dont get offended when people make fun of me being a canuck. I myself am part redneck and proud of it.
I was saying that gunsliger is making himself look like a moron posting as if america is the king of kings- he is making all americans look bad, which americans are NOT!
If i didnt like america, I wouldnt visit every chance i got now would i?
If i felt that americans were a "bunch of gun toting rednecks" i wouldnt want to visit america. I was simply responding to the gunslinger person.

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Over the past few years there has been scandal after scandal in British Politics regarding the donations some people have given and whether or not the parties given the money declared it properly. There was a case where one man gave a substantial amount towards the Labour Party and miraculously he received a Knighthood which in all honesty many felt he didnt deserve. Add to this there is the 'money for questions' scandal, whereby a politician is handed money in order he stand up in Parliament and ask a question which would benefit the person making the donation. Topped off as it has been lately with Politicians putting in false expense claims. I always thought our system was pretty foolproof, (well it gave off the impression it was) but it has rocked my boat so to speak to learn how corrupt our system really is. I wonder if a written constitution would have made a difference. Stopped some of the corruption etc.

Gun_slinger. I am inordinantly grateful for the help America gave us in the Second World War, however, may I respectfully point out, up until Japan attacked Pearl Harbour your then Government didnt want to get involved in the scuffle we were partaking in with Germany. However, they did sell equipment to us and lent us a considerable amount of money after the war to help rebuild our country. The money we owed to your country was finally paid off in 2006.
Add to this I wish to point out I do not wish to change America, nor would I expect you to do so to become more European. You are what you are, just as we in the UK are what we are, individuals whose systems are different but whose systems may be exportable.

Thank you to all who have tried to help me understand your system. I find the concept of the constitution fascinating to say the least. More, more, more I wanna learn.

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Yes I'm arrogant and disrespectful as is most of the world is to the US. I'm tired of ungrateful people from other countries telling us, the USA, how terrible we are, burning our flag. Then there are those who move to this country and try to make it like the country they fled from, after prospering from our system, all the time hollering that they are being unjustly treated because they were not born here.

And the only reason we're up China's ass is because of presidental administrations and congresses that make it damn near impossible to do business in this country. But that's changeable because of our constitution.

You know, the best way to educate yourself on the Constitution of the United States...read it!
No, we are up Chinas ass cuz we are still paying off two wars. And as far as companies "doing business" there, if you think manufacturing moved to china because of "regulations" you need to turn off the propaganda channel it's not working out well for you.

First... Remember MMS? The old oil and gas regulatory agency? Yes... Our regulations are SO stringent. FUBP.
Second... Manufacturing moved to china for lots of reasons. Slave labor, government subsidizing corporations by building infrastructure, etc. When you are ready to live in a dorm and work 18 hour shifts for 30-45 cents per hour, you let me know. I'd buy your ticket myself before I'd want to see that type of exploitation here.
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No, we are up Chinas ass cuz we are still paying off two wars. And as far as companies "doing business" there, if you think manufacturing moved to china because of "regulations" you need to turn off the propaganda channel it's not working out well for you.

First... Remember MMS? The old oil and gas regulatory agency? Yes... Our regulations are SO stringent. FUBP.
Second... Manufacturing moved to china for lots of reasons. Slave labor, government subsidizing corporations by building infrastructure, etc. When you are ready to live in a dorm and work 18 hour shifts for 30-45 cents per hour, you let me know. I'd buy your ticket myself before I'd want to see that type of exploitation here.
A bit off-topic, but are you then also avoiding BUYING goods made with that kind of exploitation? Because the more we prioritize cheapness over everything else, the more we encourage those types of factories.

And regulations DO impact companies' economic decisions; part of the reason we don't have that sort of exploitation here is because of the efforts of governmental agencies like OSHA and the EPA, and the ability of workers to form unions. It's ever a balancing act between remaining competitive and managing worker's health/environmental impacts/fair wages/etc.

Personal pet peeve: people who use the poor economy to justify buying cheap made-in-china knockoffs... do they not understand how that is shooting ourselves in the foot? (not saying you're doing that, monicaei, just pointing out the irony.)
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A bit off-topic, but are you then also avoiding BUYING goods made with that kind of exploitation? Because the more we prioritize cheapness over everything else, the more we encourage those types of factories.

And regulations DO impact companies' economic decisions; part of the reason we don't have that sort of exploitation here is because of the efforts of governmental agencies like OSHA and the EPA, and the ability of workers to form unions. It's ever a balancing act between remaining competitive and managing worker's health/environmental impacts/fair wages/etc.

Personal pet peeve: people who use the poor economy to justify buying cheap made-in-china knockoffs... do they not understand how that is shooting ourselves in the foot? (not saying you're doing that, monicaei, just pointing out the irony.)
I do try. It's absolutely impossible to purchase anything electronic or complex where the parts weren't made in China, even if it's assembled here. I refuse to shop at Wally world, and am a huge advocate for local food.

Not a damn thing one can do about the fact that it is simply the system in which we all operate these days, and it's not going to change. I attempt to be a consciencious consumer, but the concept of removing all things china from my life and home would put me living in a cave. I don't want to live in a cave! Accept the things you cannot change, and change the things you can
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I do try. It's absolutely impossible to purchase anything electronic or complex where the parts weren't made in China, even if it's assembled here. I refuse to shop at Wally world, and am a huge advocate for local food.

Not a damn thing one can do about the fact that it is simply the system in which we all operate these days, and it's not going to change. I attempt to be a consciencious consumer, but the concept of removing all things china from my life and home would put me living in a cave. I don't want to live in a cave! Accept the things you cannot change, and change the things you can

Agreed! I try as well, and believe me, I understand how nigh-impossible it can be to find for certain things. But there's more out there than people realize sometimes too, I think. I was able to get a vehicle where engine (possibly transmission?) and assembly were all in the US and a locally-made cedar bench for my shade garden - but otoh finding clothing for the office? Between it all being made in china (or countries with similar conditions) and being vanity-sized off the rack at my old store... I'm seriously tempted to try to make my own. (I have a pattern and fabric! But I'll wait to see what size I am after this pregnancy before I cut anything... ;p)

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Oh, and DEFINATELY stay away from dog food/treats with ingredients sourced from china... Utterly disgusted with Purina right now.
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Is it a requirement for your Presidential Candidates to declare who makes the donations towards their campaigns?
In the past some of the people donating to the parties at the forefront of British Politics have done so secretly and then later have used their donations as a leverage towards gaining something they want. A peerage or large contract for example.

I personally have always thought it a little dodgy that individuals, companies etc can make donations towards political parties.
Indivuals are limited in the amount of money they can personally contribute to a candidate. However, the recent "Citizens United" ruling means that "Super PACs" (PAC= Political Action Committee) can recieve unlimited funds, and do not have to name the doners.
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Oh, and DEFINATELY stay away from dog food/treats with ingredients sourced from china... Utterly disgusted with Purina right now.
Did you know that the FDA has no authority to recall ANY product, not even human food? They can only reccomend that a product be recalled, but the producer does not have to recall the product if it doesn't want to.
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I love being an American and I plan to retire in my native Alabama, but that doesn't mean that I'm not sometimes a little jealous of some things in other countries.

1. My sister's retired Army husband works in Germany at the moment, as did she for a bit; on my dad's last trip over there they couldn't find ANYTHING made in China. It was all from Germany and neighboring EU countries. I'm a wee bit jealous! (we do have an increase in manufacturing here in the U.S. over the past decade, but it seems like all the consumer goods in the big stores do come from China. >.< )

2. When I managed operations at a hazardous waste plant in Vancouver, B.C. in the mid-90s (before following a pay raise to my old employer's SC HQ), I was very jealous of how sane and simple their safety, environment, and transport regulations were. (I also liked how I didn't have to fight my insurance company after every dentist or doctor visit to get them to pay for what they'd contracted to pay, that was NICE.) British Columbia seemed far more friendly to small and mid-sized businesses, and I even had friends starting used oil companies while I was there.

3. I like the intent of our own regulations of that sort -- they ain't nothing but an update of traditional American and English principles found in tort, common, and statutory law, and they're intended to save tax dollars from cleaning up somebody else's left-behind mess, as happened a lot in the '60s through '80s -- but after trying to help many a customer follow our U.S. environmental, health and safety (EHS) regs, I have to say that with our own regulations we've added so many exceptions, side notes, and clarifications that confuzzle people that our regs are INSANE compared to what I've seen of Canadian, U.K., Dutch, or German EHS regs (I haven't looked at much more than these unless you count Mexico, and Mexico's were even more insane than ours... nor was I confident in how evenly they were enforced).
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Indivuals are limited in the amount of money they can personally contribute to a candidate. However, the recent "Citizens United" ruling means that "Super PACs" (PAC= Political Action Committee) can recieve unlimited funds, and do not have to name the doners.
That is how it started here, certain doners were able to remain hidden and then when the Government of their choice won the election they started to influence the way the country was run. Large contracts went to people who really were not competitive in their prices etc, Knighthoods handed to people who didnt deserve them. It took a few reporters digging through bins and listening to idle gossip and I guess listening into phone messages before it all came to light. Even now there is likely to be hidden donations sitting in someones coffers waiting to be discovered.

I wonder, do you guys think your political system is less corrupt than say the UK, equally corrupt or more? As I have said, I always thought our system was above board, but nowadays what with scandal after scandal coming to light it has rocked my beliefs to the core.
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Did you know that the FDA has no authority to recall ANY product, not even human food? They can only reccomend that a product be recalled, but the producer does not have to recall the product if it doesn't want to.
Now that surprises me. I would have thought they were able to recall products found to be unfit etc.
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