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I found on Netflix The Atheism Tapes and they are interesting to watch especially for an atheist facing opposition from others.
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Hahaha!

I think a better mom gives her children the choice.
oops, sorry about the thankyou, but whatever!

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I have one thing to add here...pay attention people, because:

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cognitive dissonance never escapes anyone.

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it was pretty obvious to begin with, a very personalized posting style.

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...or rather, no one escapes their cognitive dissonance.
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it was pretty obvious to begin with, a very personalized posting style.
Plus, it's not like everyone who made every attempt to block him previously didn't predict this anyway.




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I am an atheist and I hold my breath every time I say it. I believe the way I do for so many reasons but I wanted to share some funny/sad/scary reactions to my lack of religion.

Our dog died and when my 4 yr old told someone what happened they said "Don't be sad because he is in heaven now". My daughter does not know what heaven is so her response was "No he's not. He is in a jar on our shelf".

My 6 yr old had a playmate over. When it was time for snack he noticed that my son didn't say grace and asked why. My son just shrugged his shoulders not knowing what to say and the boy said "You should thank the lord for your food". My son innocently responded with "but my mom made it".

I have had people tell me that I shouldn't use money since it says "In God we Trust".

My mom keeps buying me Bibles????

People always tell me that I should try their church.

My kids are 3,6 and 8 and a relative told them that they were going to burn in hell.

My mom asked how my kids will ever have morals if they don't have to answer to God.

I have a fear of heights and my uncle told me that if I believed in God then I wouldn't be afraid ever again.

Lastly, I find it odd when the people that know I am an atheist say that they will pray for me to find my way. I know that they are just worried about me but what do I say? Thank you?
See, this is the craziness I grew up with.

Im sorry for you.

And me too.

But GOD is a concept that I think falls more into line with WICCA and evolutionary science, than traditional religion.

Though I do adhere to various expressions of the concept via the Old Testament, the New Testament and even the Quran, NONE of them have a corner on the evolutionary manifestation of something that is by definition, outside of DEFINITION (God)

And neither do I - but its like we are trying to put a finger on something that our crippled senses have not yet learned how to quantify.

Anybody been following the latest "Through the Wormhole" series?

The 6th sense is a current and very compelling topic that approaches this very thing in deeply fascinating ways.
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damn, banned!

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damn, banned!
Who was that? guessing someone before my time? Maybe I need to learn to stalk posters better...

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they transcended into a higher plane of existence called Avalonadingdong.

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Ugh.

Here's my contribution to the religion thread.

My oldest daughter(31 ) found Jesus, apparently.


She called me today and blamed me for all the problems in her life and said she was going to be a better mom and give her kids religion.

Now, I was raised Catholic. Had a falling out, and won't say no more.

However, I feel I am still a very spiritual being and I do know the Lord's prayer and use it.

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I know this thread derailed a bit but I wanted to go back to this post...

I had a falling out with my mother almost 10 years ago. I don't think I spoke to her or her family for about 2 years. It's not because I don't respect her or blame her for any of my misfortunes - we are just VERY different people and her and her mother were very alike; cold, confrontational, judgmental, etc. Very hard to get along with to put it lightly...

Something happened that I won't get into that led to our falling out. If I wanted to be stubborn I would have never talked to her or her mother again. But I didn't - regardless of whatever she did, I only have ONE mother. She herself will tell anyone that she does not have a maternal bone in her body and was in no way affectionate to her children...either way, she's still my only mom. I can't replace her, I can't change her and I know I would be mortified if I lost her.

Emily - I hope your daughter realizes that you are her only mother as well. Parents try to raise their children to the best of their abilities and it is up to adult children to understand that any misfortunes we encounter are not the fault of our parents.

I know this has nothing to do with a certain religious viewpoint - but I think no matter what your religious views are, we can all agree that we only have one set of parents and we should appreciate that no matter what.

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they transcended into a higher plane of existence called Avalonadingdong.
O.o
Dare I ask?
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Or is it a topic best left untouched?
Go ahead, touch it!

Just be careful of the side effects.

We love watching newbies fall down the rabbit hole.
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Just be careful of the side effects.
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LOL!
You sure that you don't teach workplace safety?
That sounds like something that I might say!

Also, being new and paranoid, if I should seem like anyone else troublesome, please tell me. Yesterday was my first day registered and posting on DT, though my pictures of Delta have appeared here for years (I know Delta -- and of course Leliel & Kaz -- in real life). And so I am not yet so wedded to DT that I cannot go back to occasionally hearing about it second hand?
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LOL!
You sure that you don't teach workplace safety?
That sounds like something that I might say!

Also, being new and paranoid, if I should seem like anyone else troublesome, please tell me. Yesterday was my first day registered and posting on DT, though my pictures of Delta have appeared here for years (I know Delta -- and of course Leliel & Kaz -- in real life). And so I am not yet so wedded to DT that I cannot go back to occasionally hearing about it second hand?
No don't teach it but have a shop full of employees that try to circumvent it every day. I like to walk up behind someone and whisper, "Are you mad at your fingers today?"

You have to stay! You seem like someone that won't be run off quickly unless you are an infidel
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Naw, I make a much better heretic!
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you should know how it goes Glas, it's Yahweh or the highway.

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you should know how it goes Glas, it's Yahweh or the highway.
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This is a very interesting thread with lots of good opinions! I didn't read the whole thing, and my post will be relatively short because i think my laptop battery is about to die! lol. But, I have been "exposed" to many different religions by many different people through my life. My inlaws met through a "christian dating service", one of my good friends is a druid. I have known christians, catholics, wiccans, pagans, jews, and athiests. I don't think I fall into any one religion. Do I believe there is something out there? Yes. Do I have the slightest idea who or what it is? No. I believe there are "miracles" that can and have happened, that no one can explain. And I think that something is responsible for them. It could be the one singular christian god, it could be one of the many pagan/greek/etc etc etc gods, it could be a strange planetary alignment, or, it could be the universe bending us over the couch for a big you know what. I don't know. I have seen things and heard of things that are wonderful. People of faith (which ever faith it is), would say that is their god at work. Then I see people in poverty, people dying painfully, my personal genetic defect that I will carry for the rest of my life. And I think, your god is deliberately f***ing with me. So who is right? Do people ever think about that? Everyone (a generalized everyone, not any of you in specific) is so quick to argue and disprove the other, have you (they) thought about if [B]you're[B] wrong? I suppose I'm agnostic. I would like to think that there is something waiting for me, that I would be able to see and recognize my loved ones (and dogs!) when I'm gone. It is comforting to think that everything that happens in our lives, good or bad, has a purpose. Part of the big plan. But, I don't know that its true. And I think that that hope is a silly thing to define your life on. Whether that be to rule people out of your life for different beliefs, or in more extreme cases to fight and die for. Or on the other side of the table, if I blame everything that happens on god, does that mean I can take no credit for my accomplishments? That promotion had nothing to do with my efforts, god just thought I needed a pay raise. Every belief system has its pros, and its cons. I can't prove one way or the other, and I don't care to. I'm just going to play the cards I'm dealt and try and get my royal flush. As far as what's waiting on the other side, I'll find out when I go. And we'll see who is right then! I may, or may not see you there. I. Don't. Know.
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i kind of agree with you (kinda) kbroome.

when i was younger (i was like 8) and i still believed in "God", i asked my mom why he would give me congenital Glaucoma, cataracts etc. if he was good. she said that he never gives us things we can't handle.

i remember vividly what i said, and it earned me a good smack, "god is stupid cause i can't handle this."

then i grew up and figured out that genetics play a role, not god. i thought it was weird that no one in my family had these issues, until i did some researching and my great-grandmother on my father's side was born blind.

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so many posts that made me want to just press "reply" then & there. it's an interesting thread. i could write for hours on this... off on all sorts of tangents. first, i spent hundreds of days of my youth at the American Museum of Natural History & the Hayden Planetarium - i LOVED growing up in New York City. another reason i loved it was that i was surrounded by the most amazing variety of people... NYC is truly a smorgasbord, melting pot and goulash of humanity, and the flavors are RICH! in our home, we visited with people of so many backgrounds, and i learned that all people are wonderful... (except for those who aren't!) our "circle" was targeted for no reason other than being educated and liberal in the McCarthy era, and it was ugly.

i come from a Jewish family - participated in the National Geographic Genographic Project, and learned that my mitochondrial DNA goes directly back to the first 3 known Ashkenazi Jewish women... pretty amazing stuff. but for me, Judaism is cultural, "racial", traditional, historical much more than religious. and in the Hebrew bible, it specifically tells you that praying can be done anywhere, and must not be done in front of other people to show off your piety, just as it says that charity is mandatory, but should be done without fanfare.

from the time i was about 4 years old, i would lay awake for hours, trying to come to terms with the concept and notion of "God". when i was about 6 or 7, i decided that our universe was an atom on the thumbnail of a giant, and that there were other universes occupying all the rest of his body, as well, and the bodies of the rest of his species, and that we were very tiny indeed. i still think we are tiny indeed.

by the time i was 17, i was quite comfortable in my "understanding" that i understood nothing, and it was OK.

however, i also believe (yes, it is a sort of faith) that whatever the logic, power, creativity and beauty is behind this all, it has more to do with the magic of physics than arbitrary old patriarchs with facial hair. in line with that, i believe in a form of reincarnation, perhaps more accurately recycling (not unlike zen buddhism - i did love Siddhartha).

i think the "spark" of our lives, and every life, including trees, is released back into the energy pool after death, and is re-used. my little conceit or hope is that there is a cohesion within those little bits of energy, so that a "soul" remains intact, and can come back again. i say this partly because when i was growing up, i "discovered" several past lives, which i do believe i lived. no - i was never Joan of Arc or Noah's wife... but i have strong senses about when and where those lives were.

DH is (was) a Methodist, from a church with a very open, exploring minister. he knows more about religion than anyone i know, and we both feel that organized religions are pretty destructive and manipulative. the universe is very creative, and for me, the best "religion" is wonder... and science & knowledge.


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Hi, LoLo!!!!!!!! Good to hear from you! This must be a gooooooood thread.

I think I've heard you say most of these things over the years here at DT, but nice to hear it all in one shot!

I love what you said about 'wonder' and I agree. And I love what you said about charity and praying in public.

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Interesting points lolo. I do agree with you that our energy is recycled. Whether or not our consciousness moves on to any sort of afterlife, no idea. But there are laws of physics and energy that are true for other things, why not hold true for the human body? I also believe in some things of sort of "cosmic" nature. Like karma for instance. Or, in a more physical representation, tarot. I think energy is a never ending cycle and I think it's possible to put energy out there, and receive it again. Whether intentionally or not, I think you can. Have you ever heard someone say "don't think negatively or something bad will happen" or "positive thoughts yield positive results". I think that is very true, and it's all based on your energy.
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