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I don't think my husband would appreciate my boyfriend calling in!
Probably not a good idea for them to meet ! Ba ha ha ha!
Hope he gets the message soon to just stay home.

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Colorado a statewide stay at home order takes effect tomorrow. We have had various local restrictions, but this one is from the state gov.

It's the typical stuff:
According to the order, residents can leave their home to:

Obtain food and other household necessities for themselves and their family or household members.
Deliver those services or supplies to others, such as, food, pet supply, other household consumer products, and products or equipment necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation, and critical operation of a residence.
To engage in outdoor activity, such as, walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes of outdoor activity, state parks will remain open to the public to engage in walking, hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all playgrounds, picnic areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended areas shall be closed.
To perform work for critical industries.
To care for a family member, a vulnerable person, or pet in another household, or to care for livestock kept at a location other than an individual's home.
To seek medical care


Oh, and the liquor stores and cannabis dispensaries will stay open.
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Colorado a statewide stay at home order takes effect tomorrow. We have had various local restrictions, but this one is from the state gov.

It's the typical stuff:
According to the order, residents can leave their home to:

Obtain food and other household necessities for themselves and their family or household members.
Deliver those services or supplies to others, such as, food, pet supply, other household consumer products, and products or equipment necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation, and critical operation of a residence.
To engage in outdoor activity, such as, walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes of outdoor activity, state parks will remain open to the public to engage in walking, hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all playgrounds, picnic areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended areas shall be closed.
To perform work for critical industries.
To care for a family member, a vulnerable person, or pet in another household, or to care for livestock kept at a location other than an individual's home.
To seek medical care


Oh, and the liquor stores and cannabis dispensaries will stay open.



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Colorado a statewide stay at home order takes effect tomorrow. We have had various local restrictions, but this one is from the state gov.

It's the typical stuff:
According to the order, residents can leave their home to:

Obtain food and other household necessities for themselves and their family or household members.
Deliver those services or supplies to others, such as, food, pet supply, other household consumer products, and products or equipment necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation, and critical operation of a residence.
To engage in outdoor activity, such as, walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes of outdoor activity, state parks will remain open to the public to engage in walking, hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all playgrounds, picnic areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended areas shall be closed.
To perform work for critical industries.
To care for a family member, a vulnerable person, or pet in another household, or to care for livestock kept at a location other than an individual's home.
To seek medical care


Oh, and the liquor stores and cannabis dispensaries will stay open.
Weeeellllll, PA is already under these orders in pretty much all of the populated areas..... except for the cannabis part - hahahahahahahah!!

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Well.......we have 4 surgeons at our office.
The free standing surgical centers we work out of have furloughed some staff so we are able to perform certain procedures but our OR time is limited to 1 day per week for all 4 surgeons.
So that means each of our surgeons has 1 day per month to do their surgeries.
Today we are calling all of the families AGAIN to reschedule for a third time.
Parents are more understanding now....the children that have ear infections/build of of fluid in the ears we are able to perform surgery.
All other procedures have to wait for now......
Ear Tubes are a necessity to avoid permanent hearing loss or worse ruptured ear drums so we can move forward with those cases.
Our employers are really doing a great job at keeping the motor running so to speak...........everyone has their temp taken when we arrive at work and all outside vendors are screened before they are allowed in our office.
It’s the best we can do for now.
And our staff members that have scheduled and rescheduled appointments they have really taken a beating over the last 10 days.
But they are pretty tough gals.......surgeons have toughened them up pretty good over the years. So for now Scott and I are still working.....Yeah!

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Oh yeah..pinellas county commissioners meeting yesterday...I watched the 4 hour meeting yesterday.
Our county issued “A safer at home” resolution!
There was a long conversation between them about the appropriate wording......
Stay ....at home “order”
Versus
Safer.....at home..”resolution”
They discussed the reaction people have when the two words are used.....
So they went with Safer at home ...resolution.
This is the county’s last attempt to get everybody to listen to them regarding social distancing.
So of course we have our essential workers.
This new resolution will allow other business to stay open IF they are maintains social distancing of their customers.
The example they gave was book stores........so if you let people just do they thing like normal they will shut you down...but if you are limiting access thus maintain social distancing.....and wiping things down in between customers you can stay open.
But for slacker businesses that are not protecting the public......they will warn you ...then they will shut the individual business down.
Many of the commissioners advised this will probably not work because to difficult to enforce under the current circumstances but they wanted to try versus a shut down of all non essential businesses.

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Minnesota's Dr Osterholm most recent podcast.........very interesting......straight talk.......

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Oh yeah..pinellas county commissioners meeting yesterday...I watched the 4 hour meeting yesterday.
Our county issued “A safer at home” resolution!
There was a long conversation between them about the appropriate wording......
Stay ....at home “order”
Versus
Safer.....at home..”resolution”
They discussed the reaction people have when the two words are used.....
So they went with Safer at home ...resolution.
This is the county’s last attempt to get everybody to listen to them regarding social distancing.
So of course we have our essential workers.
This new resolution will allow other business to stay open IF they are maintains social distancing of their customers.
The example they gave was book stores........so if you let people just do they thing like normal they will shut you down...but if you are limiting access thus maintain social distancing.....and wiping things down in between customers you can stay open.
But for slacker businesses that are not protecting the public......they will warn you ...then they will shut the individual business down.
Many of the commissioners advised this will probably not work because to difficult to enforce under the current circumstances but they wanted to try versus a shut down of all non essential businesses.
Florida is being very slow to shut down - I think the governor is very hesitant and he needs to get with the program. I no longer live in florida, but all of our family is there so we keep up with what is going on there.
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Florida is being very slow to shut down - I think the governor is very hesitant and he needs to get with the program. I no longer live in florida, but all of our family is there so we keep up with what is going on there.
Fitz - The Governor for FLA was on TV the other night , Said he did not believe in shutting down the state , said they needed to go to work . What ever
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Florida is being very slow to shut down - I think the governor is very hesitant and he needs to get with the program. I no longer live in florida, but all of our family is there so we keep up with what is going on there.
Gov Hogan is also dragging his feet, but he did close all non-essential businesses. He believes this will be more effective than a shutdown.

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[QUOTE=ECIN;4122725]Fitz - The Governor for FLA was on TV the other night , Said he did not believe in shutting down the state , said they needed to go to work . What ever [/QUOTE

Yeah.....our Desantis wants those decisions to be made by the local city mayors based upon the numbers of infections in their individual areas versus doing a statewide stay at home order.
What I am seeing is no matter what we do we still have naysayers that continue to ignore staying home regardless of what you implement.
We still have many people of all ages ( I talk to them everyday) that pound on the chests ....why do I have to do this...why do I have to do that........this is America....you cannot lock us in our houses...we will riot.......there will be a civil war.......bla bla bla.......my response to them........ yeah it's a time for sacrifice----------giving up something you really really love.....to help someone else!! They get real quiet.......or they hang up on me.
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Oregon was pretty early with non-essential business shut downs, schools etc--but they had Washington state who was one of the very early epicenters of the virus. Washington state is still one of top four States with big problems--because of the veterans home that was doing everything wrong and lying about what they were doing.

So pretty early on before spring break started and that ended up with a lot of morons who thought that keep your distance and stay home meant someone else and droves of spring breakers went out to the coast and beaches (and one small beach town shut down all of their businesses, restaurants, motels and anyplace else people might stay AND the beaches and basically announced that they were closed until further notice. Then the Governor got involved and many mayors of towns big and small and Oregon has ramped up the early stay home requirements.

It's interesting--I see our small area residents walking--with their kids, their dogs but basically staying home, keeping their distance and being smart, in general, about avoiding being away from places with a lot of people.

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Colorado had a rash of early cases at first folks who had travelled internationally (international airport in Denver) and then "foreigners" coming in to the ski resorts with it.
"In Aspen, 10 Australian ski vacationers were confirmed with the virus, with three others refusing testing." Thanks, Australia e.e

About mid March things started really shutting down (schools, restaurants, etc) and a couple of days ago it was made an order instead of a request.

But since I'm a homebody and generally only go out in public to walk the dog (OK, I exaggerate, but not by that much), not much has really changed for me.

I have been walking around the neighborhood with the dog and not seeing many people (which is actually typical for our neighborhood) but today I drove to the park I hike at most often. It was not crowded, but there were more people out and about than is usual on a Friday--it was more like weekend numbers. And most were on their mountain bikes.

Not a successful walk for us though--my daughter had taken Hairy's collar off to brush him this morning and forgot to put it back on, which I didn't notice until I got to the park. So I looped the leash around his neck, but it didn't really work that well--if he put any pressure on the leash at all, it tightened and then it didn't release. So we only went about a mile.

It was about 50 then, but temps have dropped a bit...we might get a little snow tonight.

Roast beef for dinner tonight and then leftovers for sandwiches, etc for a couple of days. Good eating.
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Dad - How much longer do we have to stay home ?
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Well, I definitely haven't had this much time to cook/bake in a long time. This is both good AND bad, lol! Trying to use up stuff in our cupboards so we don't have to shop often, especially with MN being under a "shelter at home" order (you can grocery shop, but obviously we are trying to stay home as much as possible).

Today I baked some pumpkin bread - yum! The recipe makes two loaves, so I froze one. We ate about a third of the other one...oops! Cut a couple of slices each, topped them with the rest of the vanilla ice cream we had in the freezer, and some chocolate syrup. DELICIOUS!

Tomorrow I think I may try a loaf of real bread. It's been ages since I've had time to bake bread. Like, years. I love to do it, but hopefully I haven't lost the ability! Proofing yeast, letting it rise, kneading....

Anyway, I think we have meals for the week before we'll need just a few staples that we can run in for.

The dogs and I got out for a nice long time at the park yesterday. There were other people there, but there was plenty of space. The parks are staying open. I didn't have to touch anything (poop bags over your hands for the win!), the dogs got in a lot of running and playing in the ponds. Today rain rain rain.

I have to say, I'm just frankly exhausted. I know all of this takes a toll on all of us. It's tough to know some of the inside info I get with my husband in health care...just rough. Hope everyone else is taking care.
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We currently have a few churches in Hillsborough County that continue to conduct their services with large groups inside their worship centers.
Reports indicate that the churches involved in our area are being contacted by states attorneys office regarding their refusal to cooperate with the safer at home resolutions. Videos taken within the Tampa church last night documented the lack of not maintaining social distance from one another along with large group service.
The position taken by the Tampa church is that during these times they are essential to their communities and they plan to continue their worship services.
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We currently have a few churches in Hillsborough County that continue to conduct their services with large groups inside their worship centers.
Reports indicate that the churches involved in our area are being contacted by states attorneys office regarding their refusal to cooperate with the safer at home resolutions. Videos taken within the Tampa church last night documented the lack of not maintaining social distance from one another along with large group service.
The position taken by the Tampa church is that during these times they are essential to their communities and they plan to continue their worship services.
Not sure where this will go.....
This just blows my mind. It's so irresponsible. The churches I know around here are being SO careful to protect their people by closing. The church I work for is closed to the public through the end of April. The church I attend - same. We know that the older population would feel obligated to attend things if we were open. Because we love and care for each other we are making choices out of a deep responsibility to each other to keep everyone safe, and be closed. That's what it means to be Christian. At least, it does to me. Caring for our neighbors.

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Guys, I feel like this is a must read. I'm including the link, but copying below. It's really, really critical to understand that everyone in your house functions as a "unit." So if anyone is exposed to someone outside the home, it exposes EVERYONE to everyone else that person was exposed to, and so on. Please read the article, so you can understand how vitally important it is to limit contact as much as possible.

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Hold the Line.
‘This virus is unforgiving to unwise choices’
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AsAs an infectious disease epidemiologist (albeit a junior one), I feel morally obligated to provide information on what we are seeing from a transmission dynamic perspective and how it applies to the social distancing measures. Like any good scientist, I have noticed two things that are either not well articulated or not present in the “literature” of online media. I have also relied on other infectious disease epidemiologists for peer review of this piece.

Specifically, I want to make two aspects of these distancing measures very clear and unambiguous.

First, we are in the very infancy of this epidemic’s trajectory. That means that even with these measures in place, we will see cases and deaths continue to rise globally, nationally, and in our own communities. This may lead some to think that the social distancing measures are not working. They are. They may feel futile. They aren’t. You will feel discouraged. You should. This is normal in chaos. This is the normal epidemic trajectory. Stay calm.

The enemy we are facing is very good at what it does; we are not failing. We need everyone to hold the line as the epidemic inevitably gets worse. This is not an opinion. This is the unforgiving math of epidemics for which I and my colleagues have dedicated our lives to understanding with great nuance, and this disease is no exception. Stay strong and in solidarity knowing that what you are doing is saving lives, even as people continue getting sick and dying. You may feel like giving in. Don’t.

You should perceive your entire family to function as a single individual unit: if one person puts themselves at risk, everyone in the unit is at risk.

Second, although social distancing measures have been (at least temporarily) well received, there is an obvious-but-overlooked phenomenon when considering groups (i.e. households) in transmission dynamics. While social distancing decreases contact with members of society, it of course increases contact within a group (i.e. family). This small and obvious fact has surprisingly profound implications on disease transmission dynamics. The basic mechanics of this mathematical principle dictate that even if there is only a little bit of additional connection between groups (i.e. social dinners, playdates, unnecessary trips to the store, etc.), the epidemic likely won’t be much different than if there was no measure in place. The same underlying fundamentals of disease transmission apply, and the result is that the community is left with all of the social and economic disruption but very little public health benefit.

You should perceive your entire family to function as a single individual unit: If one person puts themselves at risk, everyone in the unit is at risk. Seemingly small social chains get large and complex with alarming speed. If your son visits his girlfriend, and you later sneak over for coffee with a neighbor, your neighbor is now connected to the infected office worker that your son’s girlfriend’s mother shook hands with. This sounds silly, it’s not. This is not a joke or hypothetical. We as epidemiologists see it borne out in the data time and time again. Conversely, any break in that chain breaks disease transmission along that chain.

In contrast to hand-washing and other personal measures, social distancing measures are not about individuals, they are about societies working in unison. These measures also require sustained action before results are evident. It is hard (even for me) to conceptualize how on a population level ‘one quick little get together’ can undermine the entire framework of a public health intervention, but it can. I promise you it can. I promise. I promise. I promise. You can’t cheat it. People are already itching to cheat on the social distancing precautions just a “little”- a short playdate, a quick haircut, or picking up a needless item from the store. From a transmission dynamics standpoint, this very quickly recreates a highly connected social network that undermines much of the good work our communities have done thus far.

This outbreak will not be overcome in one grand, sweeping gesture, but rather by the collection of individual choices we make in the coming months. This virus is unforgiving to unwise choices. As this epidemic continues, it will be easy to be drawn to the idea that what we are doing isn’t working and we may feel compelled to “cheat” with unnecessary breaches of social distancing measures. By knowing what to expect, and knowing the critical importance of maintaining these measures, my hope is to encourage continued community spirit and strategizing to persevere in this time of uncertainty.
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Good read thanks MC !

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Thanks MC - good read - Now if there was only some way you could post that on the front doors of Walmart and Kroger's - then ---- it might really help in this deal . On second thought - Somebody to stand out front at Walmart may be a better option as I bet more than a few can't read
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Well it's a good post for sure because I have been relaxed on my diet over the last 2 weeks ......stopped by local food mart for some Ben and Jerrys ice cream (cherry Garcia) on several occasions........so this was a great post.
No more of these stops............will work with what we get each Saturday from Publix.
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Maryland's officially on lockdown as of 8pm tonight. Only permitted to go out for essential needs. Gov Hogan says doing anything other than essential errands will net a misdemeanor with jail time.

Things are going to get hairy out there.

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