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I work in a major international airport, I and all of my coworkers walk in the terminal at least twice a day, from the parking garage to the building and vice versa. We also work very closely together and have to pass equipment back and forth amongst us. There are now 12 confirmed cases in Michigan, most with history of travel through the airport. There is a real possibility that myself and the majority of my coworkers will become infected with covid-19. I’m taking as many precautions as possible but also preparing for quarantine.
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I'm definitely concerned. I can't claim that I've been the best about staying up-to-date on COVID-19 events as they unfold in the news, generally. But I've certainly been aware of the seriousness of it through my university, research institution affiliations, and broader professional network.

I'm a PhD student at SLU (Saint Louis University) in Saint Louis, MO, and I'm a doctoral student research fellow at the Missouri Botanical Garden.

SLU's spring break was this week (March 9-13). On Monday morning, all faculty, staff, and graduate students received an email from the university president stating that effective immediately, all non-essential professional travel is suspended indefinitely. This includes domestic travel.

On Monday night, all faculty, staff, and graduate researchers at the Missouri Botanical Garden received an email from the director of our respective divisions to the same effect: all non-essential professional travel is suspended indefinitely. My advisor at the Garden is scheduled to begin a round of field work next week. She was able to get an exception because she's going out alone and in very remote areas across the SE US...and this field work is the basis of a grant worth close to $250k. But the Garden is requiring she self-quarantine for 2 weeks when she returns. So, she'll be out of the office for close to two months in order to complete her field work in three rounds and then go into self quarantine.

Wednesday, the SLU President sent out a university wide email telling all students not to return from spring break. Thursday, SLU had completed setting up 100% virtual infrastructure necessary to finish the term remotely. This morning, all remaining students, faculty, and staff have been ordered to leave campus by no later than March 22nd. As I type this, they're organizing students who live on-campus into groups to return to campus next week and move out by no later than March 22nd.

In additional news in the academic / research world, Harvard University (in Cambridge, MA, i.e., the Boston area) announced as of this morning they are suspending and closing all research facilities and activities for a minimum of two months. That is HUGE. There will be labs that will lose entire experiments. It will cost the university and researchers who knows how much money in grants that will have to be returned if they're not eligible for an extension. That news rocked a good portion of the research world today. Harvard University in the US is suspending research for two months. There's a lot of weight in that.

I had my last in-person meeting (for the foreseeable future) with my two advisers this morning to discuss my plans for keeping my research moving forward when the remaining two institutions and labs I have access to also shut down (apart from my university, which has already closed). One adviser will be in the field and then in self-quarantine, the other adviser is submitting an emergency plan to her partner institution by Monday morning and then she is being directed to work from home indefinitely. All communications are going to be by email and phone, and all meetings are either being cancelled or re-scheduled to Zoom meetings.

There are currently no known cases at SLU or the Garden but leadership at both institutions believe that to be more of a reflection of the lack of testing than lack of infection. Another partner institution at which I sometimes conduct research and work out of currently has three people under quarantine due to suspected infections. At this point in time, I honestly don't know when I will physically go back to work. I collected things from my office at the Garden this morning after my meeting that are required for me to continue working from my home office. So...now I work from home and basically just watch and see what happens around me.

My partner is an engineer at Boeing and they've also been putting plans together this week to shut down as much on-site operation as possible and, those who can work from home, will. My partner is fortunate that he's one of those able to work from home for an extended period of time, if necessary.



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The governors are starting to chime in with their specific needs and plans--I really do think that to some degree the panic part of this might start to calm down just a little across the nation, though with individual areas of total freak-out as this thing flares up in different areas.

Now we just have to face the actual disease.

But the more we can relieve the panic and get down to work, the better.
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The governor of Minnesota just declared a state of emergency. We're up to 14 cases.

https://www.twincities.com/2020/03/1...w-discouraged/


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Presidential press conference on right now...national state of emergency declared.


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We were declared in a state of emergency on the 10th...the Denver area with its international airport seems to be a little bit of a hub. And the ski areas. Folks from overseas coming in groups--13 Australians in one group, for example.

72 cases, 8 hospitalized, 3 in critical condition, no deaths as of yet. They've announced that drive-through testing is up and running. The governor has ordered the state to expedite licensing of new medical professionals and asked medical professionals who might be retired or are in a different profession to reconnect with their prior employer to supplement the state’s health cares systems if and when medical professionals are diagnosed with COVID-19. The national guard is activated, schools are closed or closing, big events cancelled.

And I'm just kinda "sheltering in place"

Nasty weather here today anyway.
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I'm definitely concerned. I can't claim that I've been the best about staying up-to-date on COVID-19 events as they unfold in the news, generally. But I've certainly been aware of the seriousness of it through my university, research institution affiliations, and broader professional network.

I'm a PhD student at SLU (Saint Louis University) in Saint Louis, MO, and I'm a doctoral student research fellow at the Missouri Botanical Garden.

SLU's spring break was this week (March 9-13). On Monday morning, all faculty, staff, and graduate students received an email from the university president stating that effective immediately, all non-essential professional travel is suspended indefinitely. This includes domestic travel.

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Wednesday, the SLU President sent out a university wide email telling all students not to return from spring break. Thursday, SLU had completed setting up 100% virtual infrastructure necessary to finish the term remotely. This morning, all remaining students, faculty, and staff have been ordered to leave campus by no later than March 22nd. As I type this, they're organizing students who live on-campus into groups to return to campus next week and move out by no later than March 22nd.

In additional news in the academic / research world, Harvard University (in Cambridge, MA, i.e., the Boston area) announced as of this morning they are suspending and closing all research facilities and activities for a minimum of two months. That is HUGE. There will be labs that will lose entire experiments. It will cost the university and researchers who knows how much money in grants that will have to be returned if they're not eligible for an extension. That news rocked a good portion of the research world today. Harvard University in the US is suspending research for two months. There's a lot of weight in that.

I had my last in-person meeting (for the foreseeable future) with my two advisers this morning to discuss my plans for keeping my research moving forward when the remaining two institutions and labs I have access to also shut down (apart from my university, which has already closed). One adviser will be in the field and then in self-quarantine, the other adviser is submitting an emergency plan to her partner institution by Monday morning and then she is being directed to work from home indefinitely. All communications are going to be by email and phone, and all meetings are either being cancelled or re-scheduled to Zoom meetings.

There are currently no known cases at SLU or the Garden but leadership at both institutions believe that to be more of a reflection of the lack of testing than lack of infection. Another partner institution at which I sometimes conduct research and work out of currently has three people under quarantine due to suspected infections. At this point in time, I honestly don't know when I will physically go back to work. I collected things from my office at the Garden this morning after my meeting that are required for me to continue working from my home office. So...now I work from home and basically just watch and see what happens around me.

My partner is an engineer at Boeing and they've also been putting plans together this week to shut down as much on-site operation as possible and, those who can work from home, will. My partner is fortunate that he's one of those able to work from home for an extended period of time, if necessary.
82 - We know that the actions taken are the right ones - to try and slow the spread and protect important researchers and the general public from this virus - But for a Person like you and your colleagues , this is devastating to do , Many may not know this , but were just talking about losing one years of data , but more like 2 years worth of hard work - not to mention financial loses . It takes years of gathering data, and from that you will start to see a tread = what works or may not work - or it don't matter , there was no tread .

I have no idea how this will affect our friend 82 - but its a total nightmare for anybody in her position . I have been blessed to work with people of her caliber and seen first hand of the work and dedication they endure and its heart breaking to read this from 82 .

But most important is to be and stay safe - everybody !
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I think it will have a devastating effect on the economy for sure! Many people rely on public events and attractions like Disneyworld, fairs, concerts, and expos to make a living.... Not to mention that people are eating out less affecting restaurants, traveling less affecting hotels,... such a sad state.
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We stopped at Kroger this afternoon to grab a few things...people are definitely panicking. Lots of stuff sold out or almost gone. No toilet paper, paper towels, cleaning supplies. Not a banana to be found anywhere.

No potatoes or onions for you, young man!

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My youngest drove back to college today from spring break as she has an off campus apartment - people living on campus are not allowed to return. Her University willl be going online along with just about every college in Pennsylvania. There are fewer cases in western PA, so we were ok with her heading back there. We sent her with toilet paper and soap.... along with some food. Our worry at this point is that graduation will be cancelled.... she has a perfect 4.0 GPA and is graduating Summa Cum Laude.... it would be a real blow if she can't walk. She will be starting graduate school in NYC - Fordham Univ in August .... so we are just praying that everything will be ok by then.
Our older daughter lives and works in NYC - she started working from her Apt today and her boyfriend/roommate is still going into his office. NYC declared a State of Emergency yesterday.... it's possible she will be coming home for a while.

My husband is a director of IT for a big global manufacturing company - right now his job is a nightmare of trying to direct the setup of work from home for way too many people! He is working from home today, and is supposed to keep working from home..... we shall see.

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Well, Oregon hasn't called it a state of emergency yet but the governor announced yesterday school closures for K 10 12 schools but changed it early this morning to all Oregon K to 12 schools closed as of Friday until 3/31. (At least)

We've got 32 cases and one death but there is a veterans living facility where most of the cases are and they are very concerned about it being a node to effectively spread the virus far and wide.

More panic. In the last three days I've been in Costco, Winco and Safeway. All of them are out of toilet paper, paper towels, Bleach, hand soap, and some other fairly odd things.

I was just picking up a couple dozen eggs at Safeway (forgot they had them on sale) got the last two dozen and was chatting with the woman in front of me in line--we were looking at a man holding down a huge overflowing basket for a woman who had run off to get more stuff. The assortment of things in his basket were interesting to say the least. I said that when this was all said and done from what I had seen in the stores that people were buying a whole lot of stuff that they were likely never to use.

Made us both laugh.

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Yeah, I tried to limit myself on my non-perishable hoard to buying various foods that I knew we ate. All junk food

Well, not exactly, but I was buying for calories more than for health. I predict a fat time coming for us when things settle down a bit and we start actually eating the stuff.
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Right now is an absolute NIGHTMARE for anyone in our field, for sure. Husband fielded 200 calls for the same things yesterday: how to get email on one's phone, how to use the VPN, how to set up two step authentication for all of the institution's stuff.

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Right now is an absolute NIGHTMARE for anyone in our field, for sure. Husband fielded 200 calls for the same things yesterday: how to get email on one's phone, how to use the VPN, how to set up two step authentication for all of the institution's stuff.

He came home wiped.
I feel you, in a different way. My husband is basically making spiritual care policy (chaplain visits, whether they have religious services on-site, even involved in visitor policies in general) for 40+ nursing homes in rapidly changing guidelines. Last night we had the state of emergency declared, with certain guidelines. This morning, we woke up to NEW guidelines from the governor. It's pretty stressful.


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What am I missing here ???? 82 jump in here and correct me if wrong , please

But what I don't understand is they only want you to get tested IF your think you may have been exposed or show signs of having it -- right ?

So , my understanding is that it's most contagious in the early stages - before you show signs , maybe 4 to 6 days .

So how can the numbers be accrete if ONLY testing the ones that think they have it ?

now time for researcher 82 - Now to gather data - you replicate your testing over and over to get a base line - so to speak and then you can follow what your data is saying to what works and what don't , Now if one aren't testing the same as the other - then , to me , its not a true picture - it's called apples to apples and what we have now is apples to lemons . Right ?

Example from our local TV station - they told how many tests that had been administered in South Korea , then compare that to how many had been tested in ONLY Indiana ! Hold on here Nelly ! They are comparing a whole country to our state - Anybody could figured that one out ! Bad info !

Now to me - what they should be doing is testing as many people as they can early to keep the non- showing signs from spreading it to everybody they come into contact with or could .

But hey - I'm just a dumb ole farm boy
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What am I missing here ???? 82 jump in here and correct me if wrong , please

But what I don't understand is they only want you to get tested IF your think you may have been exposed or show signs of having it -- right ?

So , my understanding is that it's most contagious in the early stages - before you show signs , maybe 4 to 6 days .

So how can the numbers be accrete if ONLY testing the ones that think they have it ?

now time for researcher 82 - Now to gather data - you replicate your testing over and over to get a base line - so to speak and then you can follow what your data is saying to what works and what don't , Now if one aren't testing the same as the other - then , to me , its not a true picture - it's called apples to apples and what we have now is apples to lemons . Right ?

Example from our local TV station - they told how many tests that had been administered in South Korea , then compare that to how many had been tested in ONLY Indiana ! Hold on here Nelly ! They are comparing a whole country to our state - Anybody could figured that one out ! Bad info !

Now to me - what they should be doing is testing as many people as they can early to keep the non- showing signs from spreading it to everybody they come into contact with or could .

But hey - I'm just a dumb ole farm boy
They actually aren't even testing people who show symptoms right now - we don't have enough tests. Up until now, we've basically only been testing people who showed severe symptoms AND had traveled to countries that had the virus, and maybe occasionally people who had clear, traceable contact to people who had tested positive. Even though we KNOW there is community transmission, we've simply not been testing, because there is a huge test shortage. We know there is a massive underdiagnosis right now.

It doesn't help that the symptoms can mimic those of other respiratory illness (for example, flu, or seasonal colds), especially in mild cases or early stages.


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Good CDC Webpage about cleaning and disinfecting (different) using OTS products or make your own with Bleach:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nfection.html?

There are some runs on local grocery stores here in SATX for cleaning products and meats. I'm not sure why people are hoarding meats? Not a great item to have when power goes out... I've got plenty of Pro Plan dog food & Crunchy PB & crackers + lifeboat rations/water to last month(s).

If we want meat, we'll just use pellet gun to take a few squirrels later on.... Dobes have tried, but never been able to catch them rascals....

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What am I missing here ???? 82 jump in here and correct me if wrong , please

But what I don't understand is they only want you to get tested IF your think you may have been exposed or show signs of having it -- right ?

So , my understanding is that it's most contagious in the early stages - before you show signs , maybe 4 to 6 days .

So how can the numbers be accrete if ONLY testing the ones that think they have it ?
First of all, I agree that everyone should be getting tested (or as close to everyone as possible), whether or not an individual has noticed or reported any symptoms. We need to maximize the number of people in all areas getting tested. For sure.

However, we can estimate with some accuracy what the infection rate is through statistical testing of the data we do manage to collect. Its not perfect but it can still give us an idea of what's happening. So, basically, we can collect all demographic information possible on the people who have been tested, then subset the data into meaningful groups, and run statistical tests on the data to look for significant patterns and relationships. The results from that can be used to make predictions about the broader population.

That kind of data mining and statistical testing won't clarify any of the "how" or "why" questions surrounding infection but it can at least tell you what its doing in a population.

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Now to gather data - you replicate your testing over and over to get a base line - so to speak and then you can follow what your data is saying to what works and what don't , Now if one aren't testing the same as the other - then , to me , its not a true picture - it's called apples to apples and what we have now is apples to lemons . Right ?
Are you referring to different kinds of tests being used? Or that a single test isn't producing the same results?

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Example from our local TV station - they told how many tests that had been administered in South Korea , then compare that to how many had been tested in ONLY Indiana ! Hold on here Nelly ! They are comparing a whole country to our state - Anybody could figured that one out ! Bad info !
Well, its not necessarily an invalid comparison. However, without knowing why they were making that comparison, I don't think I can say it was a good, neutral, or bad comparison.

Maybe they were comparing it based on tests per capita, which would be a way to normalize the data and would be valid. Maybe the comparison was based on shared demographics - similar relative size of different age groups, similar population sizes of major cities, similar geographical distribution of population(s). Details like that could make the comparison more robust.

If they were just making a blanket comparison then, no, I'd have to say that's unlikely to be valid, and it certainly isn't helpful to anyone to make those kinds of broad, sweeping statements / comparisons.

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But hey - I'm just a dumb ole farm boy
I whole heartedly agree. We should be testing as many people as possible and it seems like there are people who understand that and they are working to get us there. Unfortunately, there have been some unnecessary barriers and willfully ignorant leaders further overcomplicating the process. But hopefully that's being sorted out and will improve - it seems like we're getting there!
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First of all, I agree that everyone should be getting tested (or as close to everyone as possible), whether or not an individual has noticed or reported any symptoms. We need to maximize the number of people in all areas getting tested. For sure.

However, we can estimate with some accuracy what the infection rate is through statistical testing of the data we do manage to collect. Its not perfect but it can still give us an idea of what's happening. So, basically, we can collect all demographic information possible on the people who have been tested, then subset the data into meaningful groups, and run statistical tests on the data to look for significant patterns and relationships. The results from that can be used to make predictions about the broader population.

That kind of data mining and statistical testing won't clarify any of the "how" or "why" questions surrounding infection but it can at least tell you what its doing in a population.



Are you referring to different kinds of tests being used? Or that a single test isn't producing the same results?

Well how about both ?

Well, its not necessarily an invalid comparison. However, without knowing why they were making that comparison, I don't think I can say it was a good, neutral, or bad comparison.

Maybe they were comparing it based on tests per capita, which would be a way to normalize the data and would be valid. Maybe the comparison was based on shared demographics - similar relative size of different age groups, similar population sizes of major cities, similar geographical distribution of population(s). Details like that could make the comparison more robust.



If they were just making a blanket comparison then, no, I'd have to say that's unlikely to be valid, and it certainly isn't helpful to anyone to make those kinds of broad, sweeping statements / comparisons.

The way they stated it 82 - it was a blanket

I whole heartedly agree. We should be testing as many people as possible and it seems like there are people who understand that and they are working to get us there. Unfortunately, there have been some unnecessary barriers and willfully ignorant leaders further overcomplicating the process. But hopefully that's being sorted out and will improve - it seems like we're getting there!
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Are you referring to different kinds of tests being used? Or that a single test isn't producing the same results?

Well how about both ?

If different tests are being used and they are each reliable and produce valid results, then I think its totally fine to use different tests.

Diagnostic testing is different than experimental testing. I wouldn't directly compare results from two experiments where different methods had been used because you're introducing potential noise or covariates into your results. But diagnostic testing is generally just presence/absence scoring of a trait or condition, and there are often many ways to validly determine presence/absence.

If a single test is producing inconsistent results then that's perhaps an issue with the test itself or a quality control / training issue for the individuals administering the test.



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Diagnostic testing is different than experimental testing.

Thanks 82 - there's where I missed the boat We work only with the experimental trials , I guess your would say .

Your 100% right on the , noise !

Thanks again 82
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Thanks 82 - there's where I missed the boat We work only with the experimental trials , I guess your would say .

Your 100% right on the , noise !

Thanks again 82
This is from 2 days ago, Ken, about testing (so, when they talk about the numbers of infected doubling daily...)

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-...-health-expert
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Like I told somebody the other day - The horse already got out = to late to shut the gate

This is very disappointing to read , yet I already knew we were behind - the gate should have been shut a long time ago - but - and I really hate to say this - but it was all about dollars and cents = the economy .

So if I am thinking right here - then the info on just how many have it , it about 6 days behind in true numbers or more ?
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