There are lots of other threads about Altobello and Kimbertal kennels and bloodlines here. I think the issue of whether or not they are good breeders has been discussed thoroughly.
Maybe we can move on to other topics.
To other readers, if you want to learn more about the above kennels, you can search using our search engine or even google "Dobermantalk Kimbertal"or "Dobermantalk Altobello" to find lots of other threads.
Here is one about kimbertal, for example: https://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...l-kennels.html
Post #8 on this thread gives lots of links to other discussions here.
OP, I'm sorry you've apparently been on the receiving end of some nasty comments about dilute dobes. Basically, a lot of them have skin troubles, which is a reason some breeders steer clear of them. Judges in shows can be picky too; some feel that we shouldn't be awarding dogs for merit that may have an inborn tendency to develop those problems. Their coats tend to get worse with age, so a dog can look good coat-wise when he is being shown and then end up with very little hair as they mature.
Buyers of dilute dobes do need to be informed about the proper care of their dog's skin to keep it in as good a shape as possible. Unfortunately, BYBs sometimes put a premium price on their dilute dobes and claim that they are "rare". That's not fair to the buyer, and may not be fair to the dog, who might end up with substandard care because their new owner just didn't know.
The "insides", so to speak, of blues and fawns, are every bit as good as any other dobe (excluding whites, which can have massive temperament problems). Their coat is just not as good...and newcomers to the breed sometimes buy a dog only by appearance. They gravitate toward a blue or fawn (they're gorgeous to me too); if the breeder is unscrupulous, the dog is misrepresented as being rare (they are less common, simply because dilute is a recessive trait) and charges more, and then the buyer finds that that lovely blue doggy doesn't have such a thick and shiny coat as they get older.
However, not all dilutes have problems. Some, like dobebug's Toad, a fawn, is a lovely dog with a good coat; he's a champion with wonderful longevity. And I think the blues in particular are beautiful. We are all proud of our dogs...we love them and want them to do well.
How about moving on, though, maybe even starting another thread on the newcomers forum, OP, with a little bio about you and your dogs and PICTURES!! We all love puppy pictures here.