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The left is still at it. They show their hate for President Trump at every opportunity, always bringing up the non proven 'Russia connection'. Trump supporters, conservative speakers, just everyday Christians are constantly being attacked just for daring to stand up against the left. The left just cannot admit to themselves that their crappy candidates lost the election.

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....I think both parties are guilty of picking the candidate they want early on regardless of how the populous would vote. Trump somehow broke every rule when it comes how the powers to be destroy someone who is not of their ilk. I doubt a person of Trumps nature would ever get through the process again using the current two party system. I do think we may see both major parties spliting themselves since both sides seem to be very tired career politicians.
I sometimes wonder if what is really happening is that both parties are in a very active process of changing their constituencies and platforms--what it means to be Republican and Democrat now is quite different from what it meant 30 years ago.

Maybe we’re seeing a big sea change like those that have happened in the past. New parties show up; some die. All of the sudden--no Whigs, no Know Nothings, no Federalists, no Free Soil-ists . The Democrat and Republican parties by name, have been around a long time. But old parties don’t die, they just fade away...or change what they believe in.
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I do not identify myself with a particular party anymore , in fact i leave most candidates on a ballot unmarked. I do not believe politics should be a lifetime career regardless of how popular they may become. Since the election of Trump the left has become so radical and the right is now passive i do not see how what ever political persuasion you have, one can really back either one going forward.
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I do not identify myself with a particular party anymore , in fact i leave most candidates on a ballot unmarked. I do not believe politics should be a lifetime career regardless of how popular they may become. Since the election of Trump the left has become so radical and the right is now passive i do not see how what ever political persuasion you have, one can really back either one going forward.
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I do not identify myself with a particular party anymore , in fact i leave most candidates on a ballot unmarked. I do not believe politics should be a lifetime career regardless of how popular they may become. Since the election of Trump the left has become so radical and the right is now passive i do not see how what ever political persuasion you have, one can really back either one going forward.
Sort of what I meant, only you said it better. Perhaps I should have put quotes around the terms “Republican” and “Democrat” Who knows what those terms mean?

I do know they don’t stand for what they traditionally did....and I don’t know what each one’s “platform” will say in the future.

We should start from the bottom up, though.

Let the neighborhoods handle what they can...if those needs overlap with other neighborhoods, the cities can step in...then the counties and the states. Only what applies to the entire country should be handled by the feds. National defense, interstate commerce, treaties with other countries...things individual states can’t handle by themselves.

The rest should be handled on the smallest scale possible. Each individual area knows what they need and how they should prioritize spending their money. Let other places spend on things THEY need. No more big brother deciding that EVERYONE needs the same thing and setting regulations that don’t even apply for some areas.

There’s only so much money to go around. The more layers of government we pile on top of the others, the more bureaucracy has to be funded, and less money is available to spend filling peoples’ actual needs.
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Yesterday was Peace Officers Memorial Day. I hope you all said a prayer for fallen officers, both two and four footed.

The White House was lite in blue for the occasion. President Trump supports law enforcement; Obama and his administration never did.
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So there's a lot of talk about left vs right, liberal / conservative etc. And how we can't agree or just agree to disagree on important issues. I think that is totally the wrong dialogue to have. Here's a great example of a policy that works for everyone, and if we had more discussions like this (especially at the congressional level) the world would be a better place.

https://www.ted.com/talks/ted_halste...ssues#t-651230
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Interesting, except there is far from any proof of any climate change other than the normal changes that have occurred since the earth was created.

It is the left that is trying to derail a Constitutionally elected President. It is the left that is yelling during town hall meetings held by conservative Congress members; it is the left demonstrating against invited conservative speakers at colleges; it is the left resisting legal immigration law enforcement; it is the left promoting violence against law and order. It is the left that will not face the reality of having lost the last election.


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Perhaps more anarchists--but unfortunately the far left has also behaved in an unseemly fashion.

More so than I remember the right acting during Obama’s term--sure, there were words said and name calling then, and individual acts of violence--but not behavior which seems to be trying to bring down a duly elected government and destroy law and order. And I think that that extreme behavior is counterproductive; it alienates people from the true law-abiding, peacefully protesting “liberals”, who end up branded and painted with the same brush.
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Melbrod makes a good point, and it's perfectly demonstrated by grayghost, as is my point. Finger pointing doesn't solve anything, and we are capable of more.

As for climate change, who cares if it's real? Pollution is real and solar is much cleaner than hydrocarbons. And in case you didn't watch any of that talk, you as a citizen get paid by forcing companies to switch. I'd think a free pay check in the mail transcends parties, especially if getting it creates jobs and stops pollution.

On top of that, why wouldn't you want solar power (besides some crazy anti solar regulation in places like florida). All the energy I need and no electric bill? Hardly ever stopping at a gas/charge station and when I do it's cheaper?

The real goal is progress, "climate change" is just motivation. Also if you really study it, changing wind patterns due to huge pollution clouds in China and India are diverting air that used to hit the artic to other areas, causing our extra bad winters and warmer polar regions. And the sun has been putting off more energy since the 70s, and all planets have warmed some. But none of that means that all the billions of tons of CO2 are ok. Ocean acidification is still happening, the waters are still rising. And those are problems we have to deal with.

Let me reiterate, we should be asking how can we progress, instead of trying to get eachother into trouble with an imaginary teacher over whose behaving badly. That's the purpose of our government, and our job as citizens.
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Take away from the fruits of labor of one citizen (forcefully) and give to me and i will support the "cause du jour ".

Please also tell me that i am saving a polar bear because sometimes money is not enough and i have to satisfy my savior complex ...I care
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Climate change? Climate change? Whatever.... Chris Cornell committed suicide last night in
Detroit. RIP Chris.....

There is stuff that happens and stuff that hits one right in the heart.

Yeah....
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I really wish you'd watch at least 5 minutes of the talk. It was a plan made by conservative republicans that share all the views that entails. They aren't forcefully taking anything from citizens. They're paying them for damages incurred. The only people who have to pay are the companies who choose to continue emitting pollution instead of progressing. And while the oil industry has the right under capitalism to make billions every year, most people aren't shedding any tears if they have to update or replace equipment to keep doing it. And if they can't dump unlimited pollution into the air for free anymore, that's something we all benefit from.

I'm sorry for your loss of Chris Cornell.
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I really wish you'd watch at least 5 minutes of the talk. It was a plan made by conservative republicans that share all the views that entails. They aren't forcefully taking anything from citizens. They're paying them for damages incurred. The only people who have to pay are the companies who choose to continue emitting pollution instead of progressing. And while the oil industry has the right under capitalism to make billions every year, most people aren't shedding any tears if they have to update or replace equipment to keep doing it. And if they can't dump unlimited pollution into the air for free anymore, that's something we all benefit from.

I'm sorry for your loss of Chris Cornell.
I read over some of this stuff, and did not see much in the way of real conservative thought. A carbon tax is still a tax; it still pushes the climate change agenda. The government is still involved in a complicated plan; something that always ends up costing much more than initially promised.

The biggest, real polluters are India and China. They will not be doing any of this stuff. As always Americans will be paying for something with little to no effect on anything.
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For all of the crying anti-Trump lefties out there to feel sad about: Harvard Law Professor Allen Dershawitz (sp.?), a liberal democrat, has stated that President Trump has broken no law in anything that the left is accusing him of; everything that he is being falsely accused of is within the law.


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So, I had my eyes opened yesterday. Where I live or perhaps just the people I know, I thought they all were pretty far left and that the anger / disgust with the left was directed at people like them. Which really is unfounded and counterproductive. (turns out they're very moderate by comparison)

But then I saw a facebook post with like 15k comments about a president Trump quote that you got the gist of but didn't really say anything important or incriminating and it was basically a witch hunt about impeachment. And then I watched a town hall where the guy was yelling at his republican congressman about repealing the ACA and going after his family and thinking he probably deserved to be arrested, and that same crowd was cheering him on online. (second video was same site as the first). That "left" was way bigger than I thought and sucks.

The amount of polarization on the right I knew of because of all the Steve Bannon controversy and I looked at Breitbart once to see what the fuss was, on the left I thought it was just the rioters and BLM people. I didn't expect the majority of people on both sides to be so angry.

When did the average citizen get so emotional about politics? I thought only the wealthy or nerdy actually followed anything and cared about it. Did all the sports seasons and American Idol shows end so now everyone needs a new thing to be fanatical about?
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Opinions about Trumps Speech in Saudi Arabia??

I thought the words he said and the tone in which he said them were very good.
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About the Comey firing.
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Apollo- I think that vast majority of persons in politics are criminal sociopaths. I would include the judicial and executive branch. Good people with a conscience do not thrive in that environment. Both parties do not give a wit about the people they are supposed to represent and many are having it confirmed more and more every day and this is making them angry. The worrisome thing for me is that anger can be controlled by a media along with powers to be and directed to the wrong place.
I do not think trump is a criminal but a sociopath...yes , I think he does see Washington for what it is and the comey firing is totally legitimate and way it was done was actually smart.
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I'm so ready for this General Election to be over. The Labour party is a complete and utter joke. UKIP is now a redundant party. Lib Dems well who knows what they are doing these days. The Tories are the only viable option and even they aren't great. But urgh I'm over it already

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Apollo- I think that vast majority of persons in politics are criminal sociopaths. I would include the judicial and executive branch. Good people with a conscience do not thrive in that environment. Both parties do not give a wit about the people they are supposed to represent and many are having it confirmed more and more every day and this is making them angry. The worrisome thing for me is that anger can be controlled by a media along with powers to be and directed to the wrong place.
I do not think trump is a criminal but a sociopath...yes , I think he does see Washington for what it is and the comey firing is totally legitimate and way it was done was actually smart.
I have to disagree about President Trump being a sociopath, as the American Heritage Dictionary defines sociopath as being "A person with asocial or antisocial behavior or character traits". The President could not have gotten where he was in the real estate business if he was really a sociopath. He is a developer from Queens, of course he can be tough as he is used to dealing with unions, crooked politicians, etc..


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Ok grey stand corrected possibly just a Narcissist with i hope sociopath tendencies towards the Washington crowd and media.
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I think is probably a prerequisite for anyone running for President is to be a narcissist. Who else would think enough of themselves to stand up in front of a crowd and say they are the best man/woman for the job?

A president probably needs to be able to lie occasionally too--to reassure the American people that they are safe, while knowing classified information that implies otherwise, for example.

And people said Hillary was not a good candidate. Maybe you need to have some judgement as to when the two above traits should be used.

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I was just watching the news on Fox News about the bombing(s) at the concert in Manchester, England. Unknown yet how many are dead. Tragic!

Prayers for the British people, especially for the families of the victims.
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Now 19 dead, 50 injured, mostly teenagers were at the concert. Very sad.
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