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With almost 20 trillion dollars in debt already..lack of resources is a definite concern--https://www.thebalance.com/the-u-s-d...so-big-3305778

If this is an emergency situation, how many of these people can get jobs--> visas to stay here in time to give them relief? If other countries are willing to take them in or if there is a safe place in their own country for them to go to--why not now?

Many of our illegal immigrants are people overstay their visas (30-40%)..we don’t do such a good job of enforcing that now. How would that change in the future?
The national debt isn't a good indicator of resources. If you're a pro athlete making $3 million a year but you're in debt because you spend $5 million, it's not lack of resources causing your problems. That's essentially the issue we have now. There's also the fact that the US debt doesn't really matter, it's the %GDP of interest payment on it as compared to the whole world average. As long as that number is the best or in the top, the currency system is happy and the world continues to turn.

Lets say Aleppo has 600 doctors left, and every week a hospital gets destroyed, killing 5. Meanwhile they have 2000 engineers, randomly losing 2 a week to starvation or random shelling, expand the skills and deaths accordingly. That's the situation. There's enough time to get them and their families, but sooner is better than later.

They are, that's why there's a refugee crisis in Europe. They just can't sail here as easily so we have to help them get here.

The question was how do we ensure they don't stay on welfare forever, if they disappear and support themselves and overstay their visa they're actually doing what we wanted when we brought them here. And enforcing deporting overstayers who aren't drawing benefits shouldn't be a priority, we should be trying to tax them assuming they don't already pay taxes on a ssn that isn't good for collecting social security, which is the biggest net positive possible for the regular citizen.
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If you have bombs being dropped and buildings and utilities being destroyed then the doctors will be the most in demand and when the shooting stops then the engineers will be in demand.
If they are not willing or able to fight then a refugee camp is best until a winner is decided they can go home and pick up the pieces.
Great! I feel much better now knowing that i am in the gain from persons breaking our laws by over staying a visa , obtaining work by using a fraudulent SS#.
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If you have bombs being dropped and buildings and utilities being destroyed then the doctors will be the most in demand and when the shooting stops then the engineers will be in demand.
If they are not willing or able to fight then a refugee camp is best until a winner is decided they can go home and pick up the pieces.
Great! I feel much better now knowing that i am in the gain from persons breaking our laws by over staying a visa , obtaining work by using a fraudulent SS#.
Your post is extremely sarcastic but I whole heartedly agree with everything you said? And I think you're agreeing with me too? The only difference is where the camps are and what the people do while they're in them. I'd rather have them here working safely and contributing to society, maybe building some savings, and I guess you'd rather have them on the EU border or in Turkey playing soccer until the war ends?
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"There's also the fact that the US debt doesn't really matter, it's the %GDP of interest payment on it as compared to the whole world average."

OK--here’s a page from wiki using mostly 2012 figures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...by_public_debt

Our percent of Public Debt vs our GDP is 104.17.
Folks whose % Public Debt is higher than ours:
Belgium, Cyprus, Eritrea, Iceland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Lebanon, Portugal, Singapore, Greece, Granada and Zimbabwe.

We are 14th out of 185 countries. (more or less--I may have miscounted the number of countries on the list or missed one or two that are higher than us.

Our percent of Total (Gross) Government Debt is 106.71
Folks whose % Total Government debt is higher:
Bhutan, Cape Verde, Cyprus, Eritrea, Greece, Grenada, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Lebanon, Portugal and Singapore.

Again, we are 14th out of 185 countries.

Business Insider has us in 11th place.

Visual Capitalist has this to say:
"The United States is 7th in Debt to GDP with a ratio of 103%, but it jumps to 4th place (406%) in terms of Debt to Revenue, and then 2nd place (979%) in terms of Debt to Central Government Revenue. In other words, when it comes to the actual capacity to pay down this debt, the United States is the second most indebted country in the world. Even if the federal government theoretically used all tax revenue to pay down debt, it would take 10 years (not including any interest).”

Of course, there are a bunch of ways to talk about national debt and you can get many different answers; the answers change from year to year too. Here’s another way to look at it:
We are 10th out of the 58 countries shown in the amount of Per-Capita Debt compared to Median Income (the number of years required to work off debt) in The Motley Fool

But no matter how you look at it, our ranking is not very good, is it?

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What Pisses Me Off About The European Migrant Crisis
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The European migrant crisis arose through the rising number of migrant arrivals seeking asylum – a combination of economic migrants and refugees – to the European Union (EU) across the Mediterranean Sea and the Balkans from Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that Germany expected over 800,000 asylum seekers to come this year - over four times more than in 2014. European Union member states agreed in July to take in more than 32,000 migrants to “ease the burden” on Italy and Greece, where the largest numbers have arrived. Another eight-thousand should be allocated by the end of the year, according to the European Union's commissioner for migration.

Stefan Molyneux is pissed off – and provides an important look at the European Migrant Crisis.

FACTS / summary is well worth the listening time:
The Truth About France, Immigration and Radicalization

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With the French Presidential election upcoming, the topic of Immigration and the impact of the European Migrant Crisis remains an incredibly important campaign issue.

On July 17th, 2016, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls made a startling claim: "Terrorism will be a part of our daily lives for a long time. Let's be clear: Times have changed.“ Is terrorism, violence and economic migration something the French people will truly accept as the new normal?

On April 23rd, 2017, France will hold their Presidential election featuring National Front leader Marine Le Pen, Independent Candidate Emmanuel Macron, the Socialist Party’s Benoit Hamon, Left Party’s Jean-Luc Melenchon and Conservative candidate Francois Fillon. What future will the French people choose?

EUROPE, WAKE UP! | European Migrant Crisis ... Stefan
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The European Migrant Crisis is coming to a head throughout Europe - and the future of many countries and the European Union hang in the balance. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has announced that he considers the deal between Turkey and the EU which prevented migrants from flooding into Europe breached. The Netherlands, France and Germany are on the verge of elections which will determine their future survival as nations. What will they choose? Will they wake up?

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On March 22nd, 2017 at approximately 2:40pm, a suspect driving a Hyundai i40 crossing Westminster Bridge in London, England, plowed into and through a crowd of pedestrians near the Houses of Parliament. The “middle-aged and Asian” attacker then entered the grounds of Parliament, where the suspect fatally stabbed an unarmed police officer before being shot multiple times by armed guards. The attacker was taken from the scene to the hospital, but was later pronounced dead.

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Lets say Aleppo has 600 doctors left, and every week a hospital gets destroyed, killing 5. Meanwhile they have 2000 engineers, randomly losing 2 a week to starvation or random shelling, expand the skills and deaths accordingly. That's the situation. There's enough time to get them and their families, but sooner is better than later.

They are, that's why there's a refugee crisis in Europe. They just can't sail here as easily so we have to help them get here.
First of all, most of those you see flooding Europe are NOT refugees. They are economic migrants. Paying people smugglers to ship them to the mainland so they can get to the likes of the UK, Germany & France for the benefits & houses. A minority are families fleeing for their lives, true refugees. There's a big big difference between the two.

Secondly, you are naive if you think all those people in Europe are fleeing Syrians. The fact is, they are a tiny minority. The vast majority are coming in from other ME countries, North Africa, Somlia & Eritrea.

They are not Dr's & Engineers & other skilled professionals, they are mostly young uneducated men whose whole way of thinking is completely alien to our way of life.

The streets & asylum centres all across Europe are full of these young men. Crime rates are rocketing in towns & areas where the immigrants have basically taken over. Locals live in fear & the Police do nothing, their hands tied by Political correctness.

Look at Sweden. It's an absloute mess & the rest of Europe isn't far behind it. This is no refugee crisis. It's orchestrated chaos, a deliberate attempt to irrevocably change Europe & our culture.

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@ melbrod I'll concede your point that it's not very good, and given our gross revenue and what we spend the money on / where we fail to collect it the number is even absurdly high. But this is still far below an important threshold. The US national debt isn't like a credit card or mortgage, the asset is the US and it's abilities. If they try to call in the loan and ruin the US they ruin the world economy and lose far more than they gain. So essentially all we have to do is pay interest and keep that % relative to the GDP in check. It's a far smaller payment and easily managed, which is why no one seems to care that the actual number is ballooning.

@ beaumont and Jobeyv the EU migrant crisis totally sucks for the people and the EU. it's also a very different situation and what I proposed for the US would not work for the EU. I realize tons of the migrants are from North Africa, Eritrea, Ethiopia, etc, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Some of them are refugees, some of them are opportunists after great social programs that we don't have in the US.

I think I was pretty specific in excluding the problem groups, however I can see how it's important to differentiate explicitly the different groups of people all lumped together in this problem. I was particularly talking about skilled Syrians in Syria, or the ones that fled already. I also outlined the number (20,000-50,000) of these people that are likely available, and the budget to allocate and how to pay for it. My point wasn't to open the floodgates, because I'd like to help everyone but it wouldn't work, it was help those likely to succeed and who might build our society and stay, or who will go back and build their society, instead of leaving them in civil war / camps.

I wish there was an easy way to help those problem groups, but essentially that's what they are. Young men from terrible environments who have seen loved ones killed and worse are much more likely to be a problem than the actual refugees. The best policy for them is a military career, however instead of Europe training them to fight and go back on our side, the other side is capitalizing on their problems.
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Except if any of the young men are anywhere near radicalized already, not sure I’d want them trained for the military.
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We cant afford to help everyone so we should focus on helping the legal people in the USA before we even consider helping those of another Country. If we get to a point anyone who does not want to be homeless or jobless has a home and a job then we can move on to help the World.
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Well.... Hell!.

No one's brought it up yet, so I will.

You Go Brits! At the mandate of the British population, the UK just officially submitted its request to be released from the EU. Donald Tusk (EC President) was totally unhappy to say the least.
Here is a quick read: 'Brexit' begins as Britain gives formal notice of withdrawal from the EU - LA Times

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Well.... Hell!.

No one's brought it up yet, so I will.

You Go Brits! At the mandate of the British population, the UK just officially submitted its request to be released from the EU. Donald Tusk (EC President) was totally unhappy to say the least.
Here is a quick read: 'Brexit' begins as Britain gives formal notice of withdrawal from the EU - LA Times

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Oh yeah, I'm partying here in my little corner of the UK.

Of course Tusk isn't happy. He see billions of Euros per year courtesy of the British taxpayer disappearing from their bloated coffers. Well, stuff you EU. You will use us as your cash cow no more. You made the fatal mistake of underestimating the depth of feeling of the average man on the street. You will no longer dictate to us or bleed us dry.

I would say it's been nice knowing you but I'd be lying. We don't care if you're not happy. 17.4m of us are ecstatic.

So long, farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, goodbye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Now, where's that bottle of wine....

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Was the dissatisfaction that led to brexit a result of poorly managed bureaucracy or the fact that they were trying to make the EU into something like the US?
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Was the dissatisfaction that led to brexit a result of poorly managed bureaucracy or the fact that they were trying to make the EU into something like the US?
It was a massive accumulation of things over the years. Being practically dictated to by Brussels, the fact that European Court of Law could overrule our own court of law totally gripped my s***. I mean we have laws and legislation which are still used from the Magna Carta which was signed in 1215 as its writings still pertain to today as it was written so well and then we have to listen to the EU which was formed in 1993 thinking that they know better?

Being told how many immigrants we had to take in. Being made to pay the most obscene amounts of money to bail out countries which decided to move across to the Euro and then suffer economic crisis'... like that was our fault? The threat of making countries disband their own Military's to make an "EU" army. Like that was ever going to happen. The list could go on but I'll stop.

Needless to say there is another very happy bunny sat at this computer knowing Art. 50 has now been invoked.

Not so happy at the Jocks though. Why are they so insistent on another independence referendum? Tell you what how about letting the English vote for you and you'll get it. Then we can sit back and watch you crumble... you know I have Scottish family, heck my mum is Scottish, but this independence/William Wallace freedom crap really annoys the bejesus out of me.


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I am very much a Christian, an Orthodox Anglican; I am far from perfect, but I keep trying. Years ago my wife and I were at a retreat with members of our then Episcopal Church and an official of the diocise starting talking in favor of so called 'social justice'. I saw the handwriting on the wall and left the Episcopal Church, with many others, and went to the continuing Anglican Church; I never looked back.
Thanks for your response. I can certainly relate to not being perfect. As people who know the truth but continue to sin (like myself) would suffer an even worse fate if it weren't for the death of Christ. But you still didn't answer my question. Now I'm asking you specifically, still just out of my own curiosity, how do you reconcile the refusal to accept even a small amount of refugees that have gone through a minimum of 1.5 years of vetting after reading Matthew 25:35-45?

I also feel the need to say that I'm not one of those people who claims their truth to be the truth for everyone. Nothing wrong at all with disagreeing with me, I would just like to know why someone of the same faith as me sees things so differently.


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@ Caleb...

Your words: "Nothing wrong at all with disagreeing with me, I would just like to know why someone of the same faith as me sees things so differently."

In my family, with so many disparate views, we simply refer to it as "Chevys and Fords". and then hopefully.... We give it a rest.



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Not so happy at the Jocks though. Why are they so insistent on another independence referendum? Tell you what how about letting the English vote for you and you'll get it. Then we can sit back and watch you crumble... you know I have Scottish family, heck my mum is Scottish, but this independence/William Wallace freedom crap really annoys the bejesus out of me.

Jeez, she gets on my wick. She's like an irritating fly buzzing around that needs swatting. I have a feeling TM is going to give her a good slapping over the coming years. Should make for amusing entertainment.

Wee Jimmy Krankie (Sturgeon) has delusions of grandeur, she wants her name in the history books at any cost. She cares not one bit for the Scottish people, why would you want your independence from the UK then want to sign up for the EU where you will have no independence?.

It's laughable that she thinks they can stand on their own two feet without England propping them up. How does she expect a population of 5.3m people to support themselves? How is she going to cover the cost of university places or free prescriptions that Scots currently enjoy? The woman's an idiot. The EU don't want them either, Spain have repeatedly said they will block any attempt at an independent Scotland joing them.

She should have her second referendum on the condition the rest of the UK are allowed to vote on it too. There's an awful lot of English who'd be glad to see the back of them.
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You mean they can't support the 5.3m on haggis and kilt exports? Wow, they'd better start baking more shortbread. I agree, let em go. Good riddance. Perhaps what we save can go towards our own kids huge university fees that we have to pay for.
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Thanks for your response. I can certainly relate to not being perfect. As people who know the truth but continue to sin (like myself) would suffer an even worse fate if it weren't for the death of Christ. But you still didn't answer my question. Now I'm asking you specifically, still just out of my own curiosity, how do you reconcile the refusal to accept even a small amount of refugees that have gone through a minimum of 1.5 years of vetting after reading Matthew 25:35-45?

I also feel the need to say that I'm not one of those people who claims their truth to be the truth for everyone. Nothing wrong at all with disagreeing with me, I would just like to know why someone of the same faith as me sees things so differently.

Before answering I re-read Matthew 25:35-45 and it partly talks about compassion and care for strangers. Our lord did not say that they must be taken into one's country. We can give them more and better care in a safe area outside of the war zone than we can in America. Because of conditions in many countries of the mid-east we cannot get complete information on many of these 'refugees', also, as previously mentioned, the UN decides who is a refugee, not our state Department.

I full realize that Jesus said in Matthew 25:45 that 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' Jesus said to minister to the least of these; that we can do without bringing in people who have little to no interest in being Americans, and would be much more comfortable among their own.

As a believer I must say that the only true religion is Christianity, and the only way to Heaven is thru Jesus. All other religions are man made. Islam, for example, was founded by a child molesting murderer.

The Jews are God's chosen people so God will fill his promise to them, but many of their celebrations and Holy Days of the Old Testament really honor, for a better word, the coming of Jesus.


This country and this people seem to have been made for each other.

__________John Jay, The Federalist Papers, No. 2, October 31, 1787

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A gang Crips are 'flocking' Hollywood celebrity homes in burglaries
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Police in Los Angeles say members of a single gang may be responsible for a string of burglaries on homes of celebrities, using a tactic known as "flocking".

Pop stars Nicky Minaj and Alanis Morissette are among the victims of break-ins which have netted the burglars jewellery and valuables worth millions.

Gang members "flock" to expensive neighbourhoods and search for unoccupied properties before breaking in. Police say the gang members wear smart clothing and drive luxury cars so as not to draw attention to themselves.

Actress Emily Rossum became the latest victim of the gang when jewellery worth $150,000 (£120,000) was taken from her home. She later tweeted her thanks to police.

Morissette had jewellery worth around about $2m (£1.6m) taken from her home in the Brentwood neighbourhood. Sports stars Nick Young and Yasiel Puig have also fallen victim.

Investigators believe most of the burglaries are being committed by members of the Rollin' 30s Harlem Crips, a street gang from south-central Los Angeles.

Sgt Michael Maher, a member of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's specialised burglary task force, told the Associated Press: "They don't take televisions or laptops or iPads. Typically, it's a hunt for cash, jewellery and weapons."

He said gang members have told investigators they aim to make as much as $10,000 (£8,000) a day from burglaries and use the proceeds to support gang activity and pay bail for members who have been arrested.

"These gangs have become more sophisticated, and flocking is a large portion of that. We see high-level gang members driving extremely expensive vehicles, wearing very nice clothing, committing residential burglaries."

So far no arrests have been made in connection with the burglaries.

The case has brought back memories of the exploits of a gang of teenagers who stole $3m (£2.4m) in cash and valuables in a 10-month crime spree on celebrity homes in the Hollywood Hills in 2008.

The story of the so-called "Bling Ring" was turned into a movie directed by Sofia Coppola and starring Emma Watson. It also featured an appearance by Paris Hilton, who had been a real-life victim of the gang.

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They should get more Dobermans.
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You would think that people living in houses that expensive and having such expensive stuff would have the very best security systems.
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A lot of celebrities / the very rich invest in real estate to hold their money, they don't actually live in a singular house because they travel for on-site shooting or between the different houses they own. And then they leave some stuff at each location. And the estates are big enough that it's very hard for passive systems to cover everything, plus the people breaking in are professionals.

On the other hand a lot of the very rich / celebrities have mini fortresses, cameras, dogs, reinforced plate glass windows, beautiful hard to scale walls and thorny plants. I imagine those houses just get passed by.

Also if you hop on airbnb and see places listed for $3000-$12,000 a night you can see the inbetween of the two, where they own the estate but try to rent it to offset the cost while they're somewhere else. I imagine there's not a lot to steal but there may be a safe or locked up storage area with some stuff.

And to top it off, it's all probably insured so that 2 million dollars of jewellery isn't worth spending extra money to protect.
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I am so disgusted with Trump. Why must Assad go? I call the reason Bull$hit!
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I am so disgusted with Trump. Why must Assad go? I call the reason Bull$hit!
I've kept quiet about my views on Trump getting the Presidency as my opinion won't change anything and I don't live in the States so frankly the man being in power bothers me little in that respect.

However, can say I'm surprised he has gone and done something like this with no backing or authorisation whatsoever? Nope not one bit. Both me and my husband said as soon as it was announced he got in Office that we would be at war again before his 4 years are out... could this be the start? Who knows, but he is a loose cannon in a serious position of power and honestly that scares me.

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I am so disgusted with Trump. Why must Assad go? I call the reason Bull$hit!

Is there actually irrefutable proof that it was Assad's men who launched the poison gas attack or are we just supposed to take the word of the leaders of Germany, US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel etc that it was him?

Surely our esteemed leaders would never lie to their people, would they?

I call BS too.

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