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And with that the unwashed unedumicated deplorable have slain the Hildabeast.

Now lets hope a Republican nominee with a republican congress can actually get something done.
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Obama ROASTING Trump Compilation
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C&P - pretty much sums up the starting point (in history), to the DJT Presidency.

Trump is the New President of The United States & what goes around comes around.... Wait next November for trump dinner party, Trump will destroy Obama if he didn't put him in jail before that.

This is what happens when you mess with the wrong people, they laughed, mocked and miss treated him and made him out to be a c***, but America saw past the bullshit and who ended up getting the final laugh?

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When you peel away the b.s. from both candidates, the truth is that last night America chose Capitalism over Socialism. And the talking heads can't figure it out because all they want to do is listen to themselves talk instead of listening to the people.
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What was that you were saying about Pennsylvania never turning red?
What can you expect in a year when the Cubs win the World Series?
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Can't quite believe he's done it.

The silent majority have spoken.

Congratulations America!!

Drain the swamp, drain the swamp, drain the swamp. All of the working people (mechanics, firefighters, law enforcement, truck drivers, farmers, small business people, etc.) have spoken. We may be deplorable, and uneducated, but we won over the professionals feeding off of the tax payers.
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What was that you were saying about Pennsylvania never turning red?
Michigan too. I am eating my words. Happily..........

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Dow Jones ends the day 1.4pc up
The Dow Jones has closed 1.4pc ahead today at 18,589.69, despite fears that Donald Trump's victory in the polls last night would send stocks into freefall.

Caterpiller was the index's biggest riser, up 7.7pc to $91.20, followed by Pfizer, which gained 7.07pc after a difficult day yesterday. Proctor & Gamble and Coca Cola reversed some of the gains they enjoyed yesterday, down 1.75pc and 1.42pc respectively, making them the Dow's biggest fallers.

Elsewhere, the S&P 500 was up 1.11pc to 2163.26, its highest close since October 10. The Nasdaq was up 1.1pc to 5,251.

Bellwether Mexican peso’s weakness 'to continue’
A Donald Trump victory would hit the Mexican economy like a “hurricane”.

Those words, by Mexican central bank chief Agustin Carstens last week, warned of the turbulence that could be triggered if he won. When it dawned on financial markets that Mr Trump would become president-elect, the Mexican peso plunged as much as 13pc to 20.78 against the dollar, its biggest one-day drop since the Tequila Crisis of 1994 and 1995.

The peso became the market’s favourite proxy for betting on the presidential race after Mr Trump secured the Republican nomination. His threats to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) between the US, Canada and Mexico, build a wall on the border with Mexico and crack down on immigration made the peso particularly vulnerable to twists and turns in the election battle.

Analysts at HSBC believe the Mexican peso is likely to weaken further in the short term.

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You guys got what you wanted - no need anymore for nastiness and gloating. A little graciousness would go a long way.
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You guys got what you wanted - no need anymore for nastiness and gloating. A little graciousness would go a long way.
Eh?

It seems to me that those of us that have been commenting here recently are all pretty much united in our dislike for Clinton & as far as I'm aware she isn't a DT member, therefore she's fair game.

As for gloating, I think we have been pretty restrained. I know I have been.
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Dow closed up today 257 points.

[email protected] CRDobe. I'm only gloating on the inside. I live in the most progressive/liberal city in the US. If I show my true colors, they will toss me back into the "basket". And that would be deplorable! LOL
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I think you should tell that to the cry baby Hildabeast supporters that are blocking rush hour traffic in several places including Austin Tx. I guess they are protesting Elections and want to go to a dictator system or some such thing.


I think that is way more nasty than gloating because the right candidate won.



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Attempting to claim the high ground by denigrating those with whom you do not agree is hardly the way to reunify this country.
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Here in Portland, protesters have illegally blocked the freeways , the downtown streets, the buses and commuter trains. All this during the rush hour ride home. It is gridlock. The sad joke is that not only is Oregon a blue state, but the City of Portland is as uber progressive as any city (poor me!). So....The vast majority of the working folk being extremely inconvenienced by this "protest" voted for Secretary Clinton.

Watched some footage. These are mostly a bunch of very young unemployed or marginally employed people who have spent most of there "adult lives" being supported on the backs of the working middle class. They have an ingrained sense of entitlement. They are pissed that their free ride is somewhat over. Most of them will never amount to a hill of beans, IMO. Thank god my my son was never raised to live off the work and sweat of others.

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I'm a Hillary supporter. Not because I believe she's fantastic, but because as an Hispanic queer woman born to two very hard working immigrant parents, I fear the world Trump has created. I don't disagree that we needed an upheaval to the status quo but I don't think we needed it in this way. Not with the racism, not with the homophobia, not with the sexism. We needed someone that had real plans to change this system into something more that we can all believe in. Unfortunately, neither candidate had that, but at least with Hillary, I didn't feel so attacked and disrespected for being born the way I was.

I will agree with you on one point, however. I think that these protests against Trump are ridiculous. We live in a democracy where people's vote should matter and regardless of how I feel about Trump, his message, and his supporters, I believe their vote should ALL matter and the fact that he was elected should be respected, not out of respect for what he says but out of respect for this country. People should not be out on the streets shouting and hollering. The time for that has come and gone. If people want to make a difference at this point, it will have to be with him because as hard as it is to say, our future depends on him and the people working with him. And grace when losing is important on both sides. Had Hillary won, I would've said the same about angry Trump supporters.

As for entitlement, it's hard to explain why millennial are not so entitled, but disillusioned. 30-40 years ago, if one studied hard and went to college, one was pretty much guaranteed a job that would allow for stability, and by the time one was in their late 20s, one would have enough money to be free of student debt and have enough to put down on a house for their family.

Nowadays, it's not so simple. One can study and go to a good college, get good grades and graduate. Then there are very little jobs. I have friends that graduated with honors in a "practical" major and working two jobs, one paid as a barista and one unpaid internship at a respectable company because even "entry" jobs want 2-5yrs experience. Their barista job only keeps a studio roof over their heads and their student loans are barely being paid off. By the time they're in their mid to late twenties is when they can hope to find a decent paying job and that is only with luck. Forget buying a house, they'll be paying off their student debt until they're 50 and house prices are not what they used to be.

I'm a lucky exception. I have managed to find a half decent job after working my way up the ranks for years. I dropped out of college because I couldn't afford it after my first year but taking a class or two per semester and not taking out loans, I might be able to finish in a couple years, almost ten years later. I had to move from my beloved Jersey to Texas for jobs. I might not feel safe or wanted here, but I refuse to intimidated out of my livelihood. I work full time, I study part time to get my BA, I am getting my real estate license to get myself a second job. I recently bought a condo and am recently engaged to a great guy. Compared to my twin brother's classmates, all ivy leaguers with engineering degrees, I'm not in a bad place. Most of them live in shared, cramped apartments making minimally more than what I'm making but with 150k+ in student debt that they wont repay anytime soon.

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I guess we live in different worlds.

If a private conversation about grabbing body parts makes you sexiest the I assume 95% of the population is, I don't know many people that can say they have never uttered a sexist, raciest , mean spirited, rude ect ect comment when you are having what you think is a private conversation.

Do you really think that even if Trump was a real raciest, sexist, blah blah blah that it will make a difference. Do you understand that the President does not make or introduce laws he is just there as a safeguard to veto or agree with legislation that gets passed on to his desk. Well I guess unless he takes a Que from Obama and bypasses them with executive orders.

Get over it fat people are fat like me. You can call me fat all you like as long as I don't care what you think what difference does it make.

As far as current students I am sure if they take real classes and not the 90% BS stuff that is offered jobs will be offered if they are worth a damn as an employee and not one of the entitled I have a basket weaving masters so I should be the President of Ford.



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I'm a Hillary supporter. Not because I believe she's fantastic, but because as an Hispanic queer woman born to two very hard working immigrant parents, I fear the world Trump has created. I don't disagree that we needed an upheaval to the status quo but I don't think we needed it in this way. Not with the racism, not with the homophobia, not with the sexism. We needed someone that had real plans to change this system into something more that we can all believe in. Unfortunately, neither candidate had that, but at least with Hillary, I didn't feel so attacked and disrespected for being born the way I was.

I will agree with you on one point, however. I think that these protests against Trump are ridiculous. We live in a democracy where people's vote should matter and regardless of how I feel about Trump, his message, and his supporters, I believe their vote should ALL matter and the fact that he was elected should be respected, not out of respect for what he says but out of respect for this country. People should not be out on the streets shouting and hollering. The time for that has come and gone. If people want to make a difference at this point, it will have to be with him because as hard as it is to say, our future depends on him and the people working with him. And grace when losing is important on both sides. Had Hillary won, I would've said the same about angry Trump supporters.

As for entitlement, it's hard to explain why millennial are not so entitled, but disillusioned. 30-40 years ago, if one studied hard and went to college, one was pretty much guaranteed a job that would allow for stability, and by the time one was in their late 20s, one would have enough money to be free of student debt and have enough to put down on a house for their family.

Nowadays, it's not so simple. One can study and go to a good college, get good grades and graduate. Then there are very little jobs. I have friends that graduated with honors in a "practical" major and working two jobs, one paid as a barista and one unpaid internship at a respectable company because even "entry" jobs want 2-5yrs experience. Their barista job only keeps a studio roof over their heads and their student loans are barely being paid off. By the time they're in their mid to late twenties is when they can hope to find a decent paying job and that is only with luck. Forget buying a house, they'll be paying off their student debt until they're 50 and house prices are not what they used to be.

I'm a lucky exception. I have managed to find a half decent job after working my way up the ranks for years. I dropped out of college because I couldn't afford it after my first year but taking a class or two per semester and not taking out loans, I might be able to finish in a couple years, almost ten years later. I had to move from my beloved Jersey to Texas for jobs. I might not feel safe or wanted here, but I refuse to intimidated out of my livelihood. I work full time, I study part time to get my BA, I am getting my real estate license to get myself a second job. I recently bought a condo and am recently engaged to a great guy. Compared to my twin brother's classmates, all ivy leaguers with engineering degrees, I'm not in a bad place. Most of them live in shared, cramped apartments making minimally more than what I'm making but with 150k+ in student debt that they wont repay anytime soon.
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It does make someone a sexist if they talk about grabbing body parts without consent in jest, even in private. And while that's not illegal, it does spur people to think that since it's a joke, it's not a big deal and therefor, they can get away with it. Also, while it is next to impossible to find people that don't say nasty sexist, racist things in private, that's exactly what we should be striving for. I can't say I don't dislike some people, nor that I've never made nasty comments about them in private. But what I CAN say is that I have never, ever made a nasty comment about them because of what they were born as. Because I don't care whether someone is black, white, Asian, or Hispanic, queer or straight, Christian or atheist or muslim, male, female or anything in between. I care about their actions and words and no matter what you were born as, everyone has the capability of being a good human being or a complete ass.


I am not as worried about Trump as a president as most are. I'm really not. There is a lot he can say but there are limits and despite having republican majorities in both houses, he wont get everything he wants. Even with a judge as antiquated as Judge Scalia was, marriage equality will probably stay put and this country wont fall. He probably will take Obama's route with executive orders, not that I had much of a problem with them when many were necessary in my opinion and I hope if Trump passes any, it will be to help people, or at least intend to. My worry with Trump lies in his tact with other world leaders, especially in countries that are not so brazen as the US and tact is essential. And my worry is mostly with his supporters, because while every politician, Mr. Trump included, says what they think their voters want to hear, it's their supporters that will be in our everyday lives. And with his campaign, the hatred and bigotry he spewed has given a voice and validation to those that had been holding back due to societal pressures to treat people equally.


I don't care what people call me as long as it's true. I'm from Jersey, we are not a PC people. We say what we mean and don't hide behind the passive-aggressiveness that I've encountered in the south . If we're fat, call us fat. If you think our opinions are stupid, feel free say so and express your own opinions, but you better back them up with facts or we will call you out. But don't come to us with intolerant crap based on what we cannot control. Don't call me a probable criminal or unpatriotic because I'm Hispanic. Don't call me a bitch, dismiss my intelligence, or feel entitled to my body because I'm a woman. Don't call me immoral or sinful because I love differently from you or because I value science over a holy book. And don't you dare call me entitled because I've worked hard to get where I am, without a cent of government assistance, without a million dollar loan from my parents, without taking anything from anyone.


As for college students, it doesn't really matter what you study unless you are a doctor or lawyer, in which case, you can still apply to law or medical school as an art major, economics student, or 18th century literature student. The barista I mentioned in my last post, she double majored in economics and international relations. My brother and his classmates were engineering students at one of the best schools in the country. He now works in IT in a lucrative job with other people who majored in everything from dance to gender studies to math, while his classmates are toiling around in engineering making less than half of what he makes. Most jobs nowadays don't care what you major in, as long as you have a degree and are willing to learn. I don't have a degree yet but I'm in a much better place than most because I am naturally good with a computer and have had years of experience in office jobs.


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I guess we live in different worlds.

If a private conversation about grabbing body parts makes you sexiest the I assume 95% of the population is, I don't know many people that can say they have never uttered a sexist, raciest , mean spirited, rude ect ect comment when you are having what you think is a private conversation.

Do you really think that even if Trump was a real raciest, sexist, blah blah blah that it will make a difference. Do you understand that the President does not make or introduce laws he is just there as a safeguard to veto or agree with legislation that gets passed on to his desk. Well I guess unless he takes a Que from Obama and bypasses them with executive orders.

Get over it fat people are fat like me. You can call me fat all you like as long as I don't care what you think what difference does it make.

As far as current students I am sure if they take real classes and not the 90% BS stuff that is offered jobs will be offered if they are worth a damn as an employee and not one of the entitled I have a basket weaving masters so I should be the President of Ford.

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Like I said we must live in a different world.

If you think the trade deals that Have happened in the last decade were good for us well I defiantly disagree. Have you noticed most well paying skilled labor jobs are almost gone. If we trade with Mexico we are charged an import tax. If they send stuff here there is no tax on them. So with labor cheaper there the parts they make are less to buy and add in no import tax it makes US labor even that much harder to compete.

Obama giving all that cash and the ability to make nukes in a few years for a couple of hostages well I am staunch in believing dont deal with terrorist.

We need a strong Pres that is not going to let everyone walk all over him and hand out Billions of dollars in aid when we have staving and homeless people here.

Sorry but The US comes first when we get our **** together I am all for helping. But Borrowing tons of cash from China to give back to poor people of China is just plain STUPID.

Anyways your welcome to your opinion but remember thats all it is. Just like my opinions are just that.

I guess I am from a time when winners got trophies and loser had to get better to win them. Now when all it is a participation award all incentive to get better is gone. Just show up and you win Yaaaa.

When someone comes in looking for work I could care less about anything other than the work ethic they have and if they have the ability to do the job.

But I will say if someone 6'2" and built like a bull dog and someone 4'5" with out an ounce of muscle comes in for a job that takes a ton of physical strength. I sure am not going to take #2 even if he is over qualified on paper over the big person.

Why should we strive to be politically correct in private Consenting adults should be free to say or do as they please as long as it does not cause harm.

But I am for more freedom less government control.



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It does make someone a sexist if they talk about grabbing body parts without consent in jest, even in private. And while that's not illegal, it does spur people to think that since it's a joke, it's not a big deal and therefor, they can get away with it. Also, while it is next to impossible to find people that don't say nasty sexist, racist things in private, that's exactly what we should be striving for. I can't say I don't dislike some people, nor that I've never made nasty comments about them in private. But what I CAN say is that I have never, ever made a nasty comment about them because of what they were born as. Because I don't care whether someone is black, white, Asian, or Hispanic, queer or straight, Christian or atheist or muslim, male, female or anything in between. I care about their actions and words and no matter what you were born as, everyone has the capability of being a good human being or a complete ass.


I am not as worried about Trump as a president as most are. I'm really not. There is a lot he can say but there are limits and despite having republican majorities in both houses, he wont get everything he wants. Even with a judge as antiquated as Judge Scalia was, marriage equality will probably stay put and this country wont fall. He probably will take Obama's route with executive orders, not that I had much of a problem with them when many were necessary in my opinion and I hope if Trump passes any, it will be to help people, or at least intend to. My worry with Trump lies in his tact with other world leaders, especially in countries that are not so brazen as the US and tact is essential. And my worry is mostly with his supporters, because while every politician, Mr. Trump included, says what they think their voters want to hear, it's their supporters that will be in our everyday lives. And with his campaign, the hatred and bigotry he spewed has given a voice and validation to those that had been holding back due to societal pressures to treat people equally.


I don't care what people call me as long as it's true. I'm from Jersey, we are not a PC people. We say what we mean and don't hide behind the passive-aggressiveness that I've encountered in the south . If we're fat, call us fat. If you think our opinions are stupid, feel free say so and express your own opinions, but you better back them up with facts or we will call you out. But don't come to us with intolerant crap based on what we cannot control. Don't call me a probable criminal or unpatriotic because I'm Hispanic. Don't call me a bitch, dismiss my intelligence, or feel entitled to my body because I'm a woman. Don't call me immoral or sinful because I love differently from you or because I value science over a holy book. And don't you dare call me entitled because I've worked hard to get where I am, without a cent of government assistance, without a million dollar loan from my parents, without taking anything from anyone.


As for college students, it doesn't really matter what you study unless you are a doctor or lawyer, in which case, you can still apply to law or medical school as an art major, economics student, or 18th century literature student. The barista I mentioned in my last post, she double majored in economics and international relations. My brother and his classmates were engineering students at one of the best schools in the country. He now works in IT in a lucrative job with other people who majored in everything from dance to gender studies to math, while his classmates are toiling around in engineering making less than half of what he makes. Most jobs nowadays don't care what you major in, as long as you have a degree and are willing to learn. I don't have a degree yet but I'm in a much better place than most because I am naturally good with a computer and have had years of experience in office jobs.
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And I already know nothing anyone says will change my mind and I am fairly sure no one will change yours so like I say You have your right to an opinion and no one should be able to force you to take on there Opinions.
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"My worry with Trump lies in his tact with other world leaders, especially in countries that are not so brazen as the US and tact is essential.”

There are certainly countries where that is required; Japan comes to mind. There are also others where a bit of bluster is respected. The trick is knowing when to do which.

I have *actually* heard Trump use a subdued and tactful tone. His acceptance speech struck a nice tone, I thought; he was certainly gracious to Clinton in it. But who knows what he will do in negotiations where he doesn’t have the crowd to play to?
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I don't think the trade deals were as good as they could have been but then again, there are a lot of strings pulling that....not just the president. And while I believe they should change, I think having hope in a man that goes on a tangent about how the Mexicans and Chinese are stealing our jobs because of outsourcing despite being an outsourcer himself is hypocritical. He should have practiced what he preaches and have shown the world how a businessman in America SHOULD run his business. But instead, he relies on this outsourcing to further his own companies. If the government wants less outsourcing, they have to make it harder for companies to do so. Extra taxes on those who outsource. Something of the sort and I doubt he'll be willing to do so when his own companies will take a hit.


I don't agree with all of Obama's policies....but I won't write them all off because some were beneficial to this country and to its people. He's not perfect and I'm not going to pretend he is.


We do need a strong president, but we also need a president that is willing to work with people. Someone that will know when to concede things when necessary. Things are never black and white when it comes to making deals and I hope Trump will leave some of his childish actions behind and heed advice when given to him.

Not really sure what the trophy analogy has to do with anything, really......

I do completely agree with cutting those that don't meet requirements of a job but that does work both ways. I work in a department that is predominantly male and older, unionized airline mechanics that are so set in their ways that they refuse to change and feel that their age entitles them to do so. They complain when we modernize, from switching from paper to cloud-based storage to training classes that require more than a screwdriver, an ancient manual, and muscle. He might be experienced on paper but put him in a technologically advanced new airplane cockpit and he complains about having to learn how to deal with the new system. The younger scrawny guy fresh out of school comes in with a tablet and a fresh attitude and performs much better in the adapting world we live in.

No we should not strive for political correctness, but for tolerance and kindness. I get such looks from people down here because I curse like a sailor and don't apologize for it like a proper lady would but nothing gets said about racist jokes? Discussing consensual sexuality freely is considered taboo but derogatory remarks about women(or men) are fine? There's a difference between not being political correct and being a bigot. Nasty racist, sexist, and homophobic 'jokes' perpetuate stereotypes and make people think that it's fine. While some take that as harmless fun, others do not, shown by the string of awful things in the last 24 hours done by Trump supporters. Hijabs getting torn off women, swastikas and other awful things being spray painted on homes and cars, women and racial minorities being threatened and/or assaulted.


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Like I said we must live in a different world.

If you think the trade deals that Have happened in the last decade were good for us well I defiantly disagree. Have you noticed most well paying skilled labor jobs are almost gone. If we trade with Mexico we are charged an import tax. If they send stuff here there is no tax on them. So with labor cheaper there the parts they make are less to buy and add in no import tax it makes US labor even that much harder to compete.

Obama giving all that cash and the ability to make nukes in a few years for a couple of hostages well I am staunch in believing dont deal with terrorist.

We need a strong Pres that is not going to let everyone walk all over him and hand out Billions of dollars in aid when we have staving and homeless people here.

Sorry but The US comes first when we get our **** together I am all for helping. But Borrowing tons of cash from China to give back to poor people of China is just plain STUPID.

Anyways your welcome to your opinion but remember thats all it is. Just like my opinions are just that.

I guess I am from a time when winners got trophies and loser had to get better to win them. Now when all it is a participation award all incentive to get better is gone. Just show up and you win Yaaaa.

When someone comes in looking for work I could care less about anything other than the work ethic they have and if they have the ability to do the job.

But I will say if someone 6'2" and built like a bull dog and someone 4'5" with out an ounce of muscle comes in for a job that takes a ton of physical strength. I sure am not going to take #2 even if he is over qualified on paper over the big person.

Why should we strive to be politically correct in private Consenting adults should be free to say or do as they please as long as it does not cause harm.

But I am for more freedom less government control.

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Will agree with you there. I was quite pleasantly surprised by his acceptance speech. And Clinton's and Obama's speeches as well. They were all very well written and I hope they all act on their words to make this as easy a transition as possible. As for Trump, I know he was trying to win an election and spoke what people wanted to hear but as an optimist, I can hope that he does try to make this country better for all people, even the ones he was disparaging from the start.


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There are certainly countries where that is required; Japan comes to mind. There are also others where a bit of bluster is respected. The trick is knowing when to do which.

I have *actually* heard Trump use a subdued and tactful tone. His acceptance speech struck a nice tone, I thought; he was certainly gracious to Clinton in it. But who knows what he will do in negotiations where he doesn’t have the crowd to play to?

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A lot of what you said isn't true. People taking real classes in real majors have no problems finding jobs. If you go to school to major in business and minor in alcohol then yeah a job will be hard to find even with a masters. And then these millenials believe they should start at the top. It's not that the jobs aren't there, but that they aren't paying what they want at start out. My 24 year old cousin just turned down a 60k engineering job because he thinks he should start at 100k. So he will just live in his parents basement and collect unemployment off of my hard earned pay check. The nuclear facility I work at is begging for people with engineering, physics, or chem degrees.

As far as trump he actually hasn't been that conservative for a candidate. He hasnt harped on gay marriage, hasn't harped on abortion, etc. And I could care less that he made a few nasty comments in private conversation. 99% of us have. And if by racist you mean making our country safe and secure then call me racist as well. With all going on around us people should appreciate this. People need to come here through proper channels and we just plain can't offer sanctuary to everyone right now with the things going on in the world.

It still baffles me that people want to support that liar who made her living off of being a crooked politician. Not to mention getting people killed. It's time we have a candidate that could care less about the politics and I think we have that. Sure he's not perfect but he's without a doubt the best choice we had. I'm so sick of people voting because I'm black or because I'm a woman. Nothing more than excuses to hold yourself down.
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