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Anyone else sick and tired of the PC bullies putting pressure on governors to veto religious freedom bills or to punish states that pass them? PayPal, and other companies buckling under to the liberals and (less than 2% of population) homosexual groups.

The North Carolina bill only protects ministers, and their church, from being forced by government to perform homosexual weddings. It also states that men/women must use the restroom of their sex; a so called "transgender" cannot decide that today he wants to use the woman's restroom. Yet to hear the liberals/homosexual groups crying you would think the bill ordered the stoning of homosexuals.

PayPal, if you call their customer service number, will tell you that the bill states that companies cannot hire homosexuals, an obvious lie. The company would fire a male employee who attempted to use the women's restroom, and PC PayPal operates in five countries that give the death penalty for practicing homosexuality. A bit of contrast to their PC bulling?

Our worthless carpet bagger of a governor, in Virginia, vetoed a religious liberty bill; the Governor of North Carolina had a spine. I hope that he tells the PC bullies not to let the door hit them on the way out.


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Adjustments that could be made instead of changing the laws--

Making unisex bathrooms--a lot of malls have one or two so a dad can go into the bathroom with his daughter, for example. Problem is the amount of space it would take to have a lot of stalls--but if they made the stalls with individual floor to ceiling doors, same with the walls, and no urinals--it could be workable. With a little bit of extra ingenuity--and extra cost, unfortunately.

But that is one of the parts of the transgender issue that bothers me--sharing bathrooms with your kids and anatomically male, yet dressing female (or vice versa)--just seems open to abuse from “faking it” predators.
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Anyone else sick and tired of the PC bullies putting pressure on governors to veto religious freedom bills or to punish states that pass them? PayPal, and other companies buckling under to the liberals and (less than 2% of population) homosexual groups.

The North Carolina bill only protects ministers, and their church, from being forced by government to perform homosexual weddings. It also states that men/women must use the restroom of their sex; a so called "transgender" cannot decide that today he wants to use the woman's restroom. Yet to hear the liberals/homosexual groups crying you would think the bill ordered the stoning of homosexuals.

PayPal, if you call their customer service number, will tell you that the bill states that companies cannot hire homosexuals, an obvious lie. The company would fire a male employee who attempted to use the women's restroom, and PC PayPal operates in five countries that give the death penalty for practicing homosexuality. A bit of contrast to their PC bulling?

Our worthless carpet bagger of a governor, in Virginia, vetoed a religious liberty bill; the Governor of North Carolina had a spine. I hope that he tells the PC bullies not to let the door hit them on the way out.


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By N.C having to put forth a bill like this only says they have already lost just do not see it yet ...give it time and they will be peeing in the streets when it gets over-ruled.
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Adjustments that could be made instead of changing the laws--

Making unisex bathrooms--a lot of malls have one or two so a dad can go into the bathroom with his daughter, for example. Problem is the amount of space it would take to have a lot of stalls--but if they made the stalls with individual floor to ceiling doors, same with the walls, and no urinals--it could be workable. With a little bit of extra ingenuity--and extra cost, unfortunately.

But that is one of the parts of the transgender issue that bothers me--sharing bathrooms with your kids and anatomically male, yet dressing female (or vice versa)--just seems open to abuse from “faking it” predators.
"faking it predators" have rights you know!!!!
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By N.C having to put forth a bill like this only says they have already lost just do not see it yet ...give it time and they will be peeing in the streets when it gets over-ruled.
Sorry, do not see it.`

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I'm sorry, I really don't see how it matters WHAT sex other people using a bathroom are? Are your home bathrooms unisex? Just add stalls to all of them if folks are worried about being scoped out at the urinals. Ridiculous law, impossible to enforce. And quite frankly, if someone HAS finished the transition- you are requiring those who now have a penis to use the ladies room and vice versa!

As for the whole encourages predators thing, hate to tell you but predators are everywhere... Even the Republican Moral Majority folks- Dennis Hastert ring a bell with anyone?!? Those who are transgendered are NOT always pedophiles, pedophiles are adults who are sexually attracted to children, and can be gay, straight, bi, transgendered or what have you. You are more likely to be sexually molested by your priest, coach, teacher or caregiver than in a public restroom!
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Sorry, do not see it.`

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Dont ask Dont tell was a policy that just had to be eliminated. Defense of Marriage act is a policy that had to be eliminated and any reaction the states may have to the loss of this policy will only be a target of elimination. North Carolina will cave and the rest of the Union will look at the grief NC gets and balk doing the same. You may not see it today or this year but it wont last.
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These types of bias are being taught in all levels of education and where do you see it trending in the opposite direction?
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As someone who has plenty of trans* friends, I see the struggles they face when they have to use the bathroom publicly. If they're in a liberal area, it is less of an issue. They go to their preferred bathroom, do their business, and leave like everyone else, but for those in less friendly areas, there is a choice between risking someone might catch that they're trans in their preferred bathroom and calling the cops without any protection from the state, entering their assigned-at-birth-gender bathroom and being humiliated(mostly trans men once again having the cops called on them) or threatened sexually, physically, or verbally(usually trans women in mens' bathrooms), or peeing themselves.

They are not pedophiles, threats to society, or anything of the sort. Simply people that need to freaking use the bathroom. Yes, there are people who will abuse the system, but those are the SAME people who don't give a crap about the rules now. And just as a follow-up, the demographic with the most inappropriate charges against them in public bathrooms are straight men. Hell, even members of gov't in NC have more charges against them in public bathrooms than the entire trans* community in that state.

And as a member of the LGBT community who let slip accidentally that I attended a pride parade when asked what I did over the weekend, then saw my hours get gradually cut until they told me that my services weren't required(a blatant lie as the job was posted the following day online), I DO THINK that all states should have non-discrimination laws in place to protect LGBT and ALL people from getting fired just for our orientation.

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As you might have noticed, had you read my thread thoroughly--I did suggest enclosed stalls, and, by implication, no exposed urinals. That way a dad can take in his little girl, a mom can go in with her boy--whatever. If they are at an age where they might require help, that problem would be solved with separate enclosed stalls (or unisex bathrooms) rather than having the kid go in alone and then get stuck in his zipper or not wash his hands or whatever. And of course, a guy, girl, trans, and so on, could use any restroom stall without embarrassment.

Of course not everyone (trans, gay, whatever) is a pedophile or predator--but I don’t think the "Republican Moral Majority" comment is quite fair here. It’s a throw away dig just as bad as suggesting all trans folks are pedophiles. But I daresay I am just as uncomfortable using an open bathroom space with someone who has not completed their transition, as a person transitioning to a girl is using a men’s bathroom. If that person has an issue with what bathroom they have to use, why can’t I complain about my discomfort too?

I have a relative who was raped in a public bathroom. Perhaps I am a little sensitive to this topic.

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Of course not everyone (trans, gay, whatever) is a pedophile or predator--but I don’t think the "Republican Moral Majority" comment is quite fair here. It’s a throw away dig just as bad as suggesting all trans folks are pedophiles.

I have a relative who was raped in a public bathroom. Perhaps I am a little sensitive to this topic.
Ah, but this law IS suggesting that all transgenders ARE possible predators or pedophiles- otherwise the law would never have passed in the first place. So I am only pointing out that predators occur in ALL walks of life.

And I had a good friend raped next to the police station while we were in college- she immediately went inside afterwards and was dismissed as they refused to believe it happened IN THEIR PARKING LOT. Bad things can literally happen anywhere. Allowing trans folks to use the restroom does nothing to change that risk.
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"Ah, but this law IS suggesting that all transgenders ARE possible predators or pedophiles- otherwise the law would never have passed in the first place.”

Not so sure about that. If straight guys were claiming they should be able to use women’s bathrooms (or vice versa), I would think a law might get passed about that too. Without necessarily going into the details of predators--just using ordinary privacy as a justification.
In some states, I think there MAY already be a law against that.....

One way or the other, I imagine a lot of women would complain.....
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Not so sure about that. If straight guys were claiming they should be able to use women’s bathrooms (or vice versa), I would think a law might get passed about that too. Without necessarily going into the details of predators--just using ordinary privacy as a justification.
In some states, I think there MAY already be a law against that.....

One way or the other, I imagine a lot of women would complain.....
Women also complain when a trans man is pretty much forced to use the women's restroom. One of my friends was yelled at and had the cops called on him when he was transitioning and dared to use the women's restroom. He had a beard, but he also had breasts and still pre-op, making going to the men's room too risky for him(He had been physically assaulted in the men's room before this particular incident. Cops barely looked into it and told him he shouldn't be using the men's room to begin with). He's a productive, hard-working citizen who pays his taxes and contributes to society. Where is he supposed to pee safely? Before the unisex bathroom comment comes into play, most places don't have them and as everyone knows, not all bathroom runs give you time to drive home.
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Quite true.

I know there are times when I’ve used the men’s room (when the other was out of order or something), and I usually try to catch someone on the way in or out and asked them if the coast was clear, so to speak, or maybe even to stand guard for me (telling them the other bathroom was unusable). But I don’t have a beard AND breasts--that does seem a bit difficult.

Was he keeping the beard to try to make it safer for him to use the guys bathroom, given his other characteristics? Or was it just a “five-o-clock shadow”? I mean, to keep both does seem like it would make it extra tough on a person. At least the cops took the right stance...

It just seems to me that making it standard to have unisex for all bathrooms and using doors, etc to ensure privacy would be easier in the long run than trying to pass some law that steps on someone's toes regardless of which way it goes.

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Quite true.

I know there are times when I’ve used the men’s room (when the other was out of order or something), and I usually try to catch someone on the way in or out and asked them if the coast was clear, so to speak, or maybe even to stand guard for me (telling them the other bathroom was unusable). But I don’t have a beard AND breasts--that does seem a bit difficult.

Was he keeping the beard to try to make it safer for him to use the guys bathroom, given his other characteristics? Or was it just a “five-o-clock shadow”? I mean, to keep both does seem like it would make it extra tough on a person. At least the cops took the right stance...

It just seems to me that making it standard to have unisex for all bathrooms and using doors, etc to ensure privacy would be easier in the long run than trying to pass some law that steps on someone's toes regardless of which way it goes.
Unisex bathrooms would be great, with everything stalled. It makes sense for everyone and would eliminate most problems, including for those dads with daughters, those with elderly patents and everything in between.

He was trying to grow out his beard as part of his transition, and unfortunately was told by his physician not to bind his chest due to his bad asthma. Luckily he recently was able to have them removed and now passes well but in bathroom bill states, he would still have to decide between using the women's restroom and risk getting cops called as well as risking assault, or using the men's room and getting hit with jailtime and/or fines by law enforcement.
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Government is raw power. It should not use that force to allow men in women's rest rooms. I do not want my grand daughters in a rest room where some guy who thinks that he is a girl that day can come in, or vise versa with my grand sons. It is a medical fact, by the way that most 'so called' transgenders are not any happier after surgery. Johns Hopkins ( I believe i have the correct medical school) stopped doing these surgeries several years ago because of the poor results.

Men in the men's rest room; women in the women's. Maybe a family one for those who are not sure.
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Government is raw power. It should not use that force to allow men in women's rest rooms. I do not want my grand daughters in a rest room where some guy who thinks that he is a girl that day can come in, or vise versa with my grand sons. It is a medical fact, by the way that most 'so called' transgenders are not any happier after surgery. Johns Hopkins ( I believe i have the correct medical school) stopped doing these surgeries several years ago because of the poor results.

Men in the men's rest room; women in the women's. Maybe a family one for those who are not sure.
So you're you're perfectly okay with a fully post-op trans* man sharing a bathroom with your daughter. Or even a pre-op one, not that it really should matter what is in someone's pants. I've met a few intersex people that have bits and pieces from both genders. How about a trans* woman in the men's bathroom?

Would you call the cops on either if they look like cis men and women in the wrong bathroom? Or call them names and insult them? Or assault them? If you would in that situation, then you are part of the reason that discriminatory bathroom laws are terrible ideas.

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So you're you're perfectly okay with a fully post-op trans* man sharing a bathroom with your daughter. Or even a pre-op one, not that it really should matter what is in someone's pants. I've met a few intersex people that have bits and pieces from both genders. How about a trans* woman in the men's bathroom?

Would you call the cops on either if they look like cis men and women in the wrong bathroom? Or call them names and insult them? Or assault them? If you would in that situation, then you are part of the reason that discriminatory bathroom laws are terrible ideas.
The bathroom laws are not discriminatory; they are practical, common sense, natural, and for public safety. Less than 2% of the population should not try to change the culture.


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That's not what I asked. I asked whether you would make a big deal out of a trans person in their assigned-at-birth gender's bathroom if they pass well for their identified gender. For example, a trans man in a women's restroom or trans women in a man's restroom? And their minority status should have nothing to do with how important they are. They are still American citizens that deserve to feel safe.


Quick fact: Did you know that trans people are twice as likely as a cis person to join the military? What about these heroes? Do they not count as people who should be respected just because their gender identity?


And talking about lawmakers that 'have spines' because they're defying tolerance and instead passing trans discrimination bills, how about the following, Jeremy Durham of Tennessee? Very interested in keeping trans students out of their preferred bathroom, but also interested in sexually harassing women and defending 'good, religious' pastors found in possession of child pornography and who pled guilty to raping children.
TENNESSEE: GOP Co-Sponsor Of Proposed Anti-Trans Law "Quarantined" As Danger To Female Coworkers - Joe.My.God.


And what about the fact that in the states that have already passed non-discrimination laws, there has been no rise in men dressing like women, or vice-versa, to use the opposite bathroom and assault people? To be honest, the demographic most likely to assault people are still straight men, not the trans or gay community.
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That's not what I asked. I asked whether you would make a big deal out of a trans person in their assigned-at-birth gender's bathroom if they pass well for their identified gender. For example, a trans man in a women's restroom or trans women in a man's restroom? And their minority status should have nothing to do with how important they are. They are still American citizens that deserve to feel safe.

If they really look enough like their new(?) sex after surgery then no one would pay much attention if they used their new(?) sex restroom. Otherwise they should, without question, use the restroom of their natural sex, and dress the same.

Again government is raw power; it should not force people to use restrooms with the opposite sex.


Quick fact: Did you know that trans people are twice as likely as a cis person to join the military? What about these heroes? Do they not count as people who should be respected just because their gender identity?

Many are joining the military for a free sex change operation (that does not make them a hero). During the Vietnam War I worked with a guy, who was an anti-war leftist, and joined the U.S. Air Force just to screw with their computer system (he was certainly no hero).


what about the fact that in the states that have already passed non-discrimination laws, there has been no rise in men dressing like women, or vice-versa, to use the opposite bathroom and assault people? To be honest, the demographic most likely to assault people are still straight men, not the trans or gay community.
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Okay- how about this "short" list of Republicans who ARE pedophiles then? How would you feel about sending children into a bathroom with THEM?

Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl.

Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.


Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl.

Or heck, let's just stick to those arrested for soliciting or assaulting IN a public restroom- Larry Craig, Jon Hinson & Bob Allen.

So should I then assume that all Republicans are perverts who rape and abuse children? I am quite certain there are plenty on the Democratic side also- as I mentioned prior, predators ARE everywhere. But seems that the Conservatives have more than a fair share...

Perhaps we need to make a law that only Liberals can use one bathroom and Conservatives the other and then see who gets assaulted more frequently? Know which side my bet is on, and which restroom I would choose!
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I don’t think the argument of liberal vs conservative in terms of who is more like to be a child or adult molester is particularly productive or necessary.

Sexual predators are out there in all groups of people. It is true that the fear of molestation is greater when one is faced by someone who appears to be their opposite gender (for obvious reasons). Hence the problem of “shared” bathrooms, with no allowance made for individual privacy and safety.

Most people do expect privacy and safety in public bathrooms, however. It sounds like even trans folks want privacy too, and also need to know they are safe when they need to use a restroom. Straight folks feel the same way. The issue is how to make sure that everyone has their needs addressed.

Like it or not, many women are not comfortable with someone who looks masculine using the same public restroom they use. Most guys would probably not be terribly comfortable if a “woman" walks in on them using a public urinal also. People who have or are undergoing gender reassignment have safety and privacy problems too. I’m not sure those issues can be addressed by laws about who can use what restroom. I think our restrooms just need to be changed to allow for more privacy for everyone.

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It should not be a question of predators, pedophiles or these type of points. Born a man use the mens room and vise versa. If you want to pretend to be a man or woman and use the restroom of your choice who would know the difference unless you go out of your way to make it known and someone of this nature has real issues. I would think that those who wanted to pass themselves off as the opposite of how they were born never really had much issues using a restroom.
The method that is being proposed now is how you identify at the moment you enter is wrong and completely open for abuse and mischief . Using how you identify is a set back to everyone's common sense. When it comes to facilities where people are disrobing i would have zero tolerance mixing of the sexes but to just use a toilet it would be hard to offend me if a woman walked in.
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Very simple: Boys in boys room, girls in girls room.


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