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Give me examples of these good responses and good choices.
Im still looking for the articles. I will have to pick this up in earnest on Friday because I have one of my hardest tests ever tomorrow.

Off the top of my head, Ahmedenijad has responded favorably, Medvedev made a comment or two, Zardari of Pakistan and Karzai of Afghanistan as well. They like his willingness to listen, his obvious intellect (I think Karzai said this) and his lack of ego towards the world community.
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Im still looking for the articles. I will have to pick this up in earnest on Friday because I have one of my hardest tests ever tomorrow.

Off the top of my head, Ahmedenijad has responded favorably, Medvedev made a comment or two, Zardari of Pakistan and Karzai of Afghanistan as well. They like his willingness to listen, his obvious intellect (I think Karzai said this) and his lack of ego towards the world community.
The question for me is what Obama's responses were.

But I digress--good luck on your test.
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what does history teach us....

a sobering reminder from Franklin Sanders.....

"...Ponder that the Nazis rode to power on the
back of inflation & hyperinflation. Hitler's
first attempt to seize power, the Putsch in
Munich, was staged at the height of the
hyperinflation in 1923. That wiped out the
savings of most Germans. When the
Depression threatened to put every German out
of a job, they listened to Hitler's promises &
voted for him. The lesson of those times
instructs us still today. Economic distress
often brings totalitarian politics. America
is not immune."
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I'd been pondering that idea for a while, ever since I saw that students at some universities have been mobbing the stage, throwing things and threatening violence to speakers whose only fault was to come, upon invitation, and give speeches the students disagreed with. It reminded me of brown-shirting--attempting to drown out lawful speech through violence.
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what does history teach us....

a sobering reminder from Franklin Sanders.....

"...Ponder that the Nazis rode to power on the
back of inflation & hyperinflation. Hitler's
first attempt to seize power, the Putsch in
Munich, was staged at the height of the
hyperinflation in 1923. That wiped out the
savings of most Germans. When the
Depression threatened to put every German out
of a job, they listened to Hitler's promises &
voted for him. The lesson of those times
instructs us still today. Economic distress
often brings totalitarian politics. America
is not immune."
My grandpa always told us never to be complacent and secure about things. He said people in America say those kinds of things could never happen here, but they can happen anywhere, given the right (or wrong) circumstances. Which is why we have to be very vigilant and protective of our rights and responsibilities as citizens, and also, not too judgmental of other people. Not always an easy thing to do, especially when they goad or bait you!
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I saw a movie once--I think based on a real case--where a high school teacher set up a special club. It was highly selective and had rules about the students' behavior toward those who were not members which grew more and more vicious and discriminatory. The club members went right along with the club's guidelines, glad they were a part of something so special and elite. Eventually, the club members were invited to a special presentation in the auditorium where, they were told with great fanfare, they would meet the club's founder. Projected on the screen, a film of Hitler speaking.
A sobering reminder of how easy it is for a person to go along with the group--those who say, I would never be like "them", may be the first to fall.

(Details here may be wrong--I saw this many years ago and have heard of similar projects since. Now I wonder how many of today's students would even know who Hitler was.)
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we have to be.....not too judgmental of other people. Not always an easy thing to do, especially when they goad or bait you!
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media NOW covers pre-election issues

editing to get the really good parts and for length....it sickens me how the media did everything they could to get Nobama elected...and cover the negative stuff now that he is a failure:

"Obama's safety net: the TelePrompter

President Barack Obama doesn’t go anywhere without his TelePrompter.

The textbook-sized panes of glass holding the president’s prepared remarks follow him wherever he speaks.

Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small.

After the teleprompter malfunctioned a few times last summer and Obama delivered some less-than-soaring speeches, reports surfaced that he was training to wean himself off of the device while on vacation in Hawaii. But no such luck.

“It’s just something presidents haven’t done,” said Martha Joynt Kumar, a presidential historian who has held court in the White House since December 1975. “It’s jarring to the eye. In a way, it stands in the middle between the audience and the president because his eye is on the teleprompter.”

Just how much of a crutch the teleprompter has become for Obama was on sharp display during his latest commerce secretary announcement. The president spoke from a teleprompter in the ornate Indian Treaty Room for a few minutes. Then Gov. Gary Locke stepped to the podium and pulled out a piece of paper for reference.

The president’s teleprompter also elicited some uncomfortable laughter after he announced Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as his choice for Health and Human Services secretary. “Kathy,” Obama said, turning the podium over to Sebelius, who waited at the microphone for an awkward few seconds while the teleprompters were lowered to the floor and the television cameras rolled.

Obama has relied on a teleprompter through even the shortest announcements and when repeating the same lines on his economic stimulus plan that he's been saying for months — whereas past presidents have mostly worked off of notes on the podium except during major speeches, such as the State of the Union.

Obama has never tried to hide his use of a teleprompter. It was a mainstay during the final months of his campaign. He brought it to county fairs and campaign rallies alike — and once had it set up in the ring at a rodeo.

In a break from his routine, Obama did not use a teleprompter during his pre-Inauguration speech at a factory in Bedford Heights, Ohio — and his delivery seemed to suffer. He paused too long at parts. He accentuated the wrong words. And overall he sounded hesitant and halting as he spoke from the prepared remarks on the podium.

As president, the stakes in what he says are higher. Governing is not campaigning, and, as a former first-term senator, Obama has not held a previous elected position where his words carried even close to this level of influence.

But be it extra precaution, style or a mental crutch, Obama has shown in the past that he needs the teleprompter. And while he still has his prepared remarks placed on the podium in a leather folder, the White House has shown no sign of trying to wean him off of it.

Before Obama entered a room in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on Wednesday to announce his crackdown on defense contracts, a CNN reporter asked an Obama aide if the teleprompter could be moved further away from the podium or lowered. The answer was an unequivocal ‘no.’

“He uses them to death,” a television crewmember who also covered the White House under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush said of the teleprompter. “The problem is, he never looks at you. He’s looking left, right, left, right — not at the camera. It’s like he’s not making eye contact with the American people.”

Wednesday’s event posed another scenario photographers and television crews have to work around. Obama had five others join him at the announcement, including Sen. John McCain. The takeaway shot was of Obama and McCain. But the teleprompter on Obama’s left was almost directly in front of McCain.

“You couldn’t get a good angle on him with McCain,” said a White House photographer who also covered Bush. “So if there’s someone else important in the frame, it’s hard to get a shot without the teleprompter.”

one of many many many videos that were never forced down your throat during the election because the media was too focused on mccain's faults (not that I am actually a fan of mccain's):
YouTube - Obama Speech - Teleprompter Goes Out

hahahaha....I love that video...and people made fun of Bush for sounding like an idiot...well, it's because Bush wasn't reading the speech word for word...there you have it, Libs: your amazingly brilliant, well-spoken Harvard Magna Cum Laude orator

Nobama is also the biggest thief in American history and will go down as the biggest failure ever...point to the approval ratings all you want...he is only 90 days in to his attack on America and he has already done more damage than the past 4 Presidents combined

by the way, Biden is a HUGE racist and plagiarist...but that wasn't focused on by the media either...have fun with these movies:
YouTube - Joe Biden's racist slip

funny Obama/Biden gaffe video:
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well, I chuckle over the teleprompter thing. Kinda reminds me of 'lore' I heard regarding Obama's book, that he went away and wrote a draft and it was rejected - not well written. Then he goes off again and comes back with a beautifully written manuscript that was then published. Rumors of Bill Ayers ghost writing it.

But you know - if the man wants to use a teleprompter, let him. Does anyone know who his speech writers are? Does Obama ever give impromptu speeches without teleprompters?
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Just think of all the presidents who weren't even really actively involved in their own speeches - the sour grapes and appalling sense of glee that some people exhibit in their attempts to "uncover" anything negative about their own president just floors me. These would be the same people who claim to be "patriotic"? These would be the same people who claimed we progressives were treasonous, not concerned patriots, when we asked questions about or criticized W??

How Obama Writes His Speeches - TIME

Barack Obama's Speech Writer - Jon Favreau Writes Speeches for Obama - Esquire
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hmmmm, so it's NOT just a Bush thing....

Tongue-tied Clinton gets warm welcome
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I could only find a couple of these as I dont remember where all the articles are that I read important comments in. Im surprised that I am even asked to post these as these kinds of comments are on the news every other day or stated briefly in a multitude of articles. Basically, foreign leaders understand his willingness to put the BS behind and move forward. They seem to trust his genuine desire and are enthusiastic about the future. What keeps propping up in these articles is how Bush continually refused to talk to some of these countries and the fact that Obama is reaching out in unprecedented ways.

Melbrod, you asked what was Obama saying in response. I dont really understand the question exactly. I think he said things FIRST and these are the kinds of reactions that he is getting. He is speaking to some leaders that were entirely snubbed by Bush and is obviously connecting, not only with the leaders but their peoples as well.

Mr. Ahmadinejad wrote a letter to Mr. Obama congratulating him on his historic victory. This marked the first time, at least since the revolution, that an Iranian leader congratulated the winner of an election in the United States.

Sarkozy:
"At a time when we must face huge challenges together, your election has raised enormous hope in France, in Europe and beyond."

Shimon Perez:
"young, fresh, promising, representing a change and introducing change".

Angela Merkel:
ďwell-equipped ó physically, mentally and politically.Ē


Ayatollah Khamenei:
"capacity for the improvement if Obama pursues his campaign promises, including not confronting other countries as Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan".
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Melbrod, you asked what was Obama saying in response. I dont really understand the question exactly. I think he said things FIRST and these are the kinds of reactions that he is getting. He is speaking to some leaders that were entirely snubbed by Bush and is obviously connecting, not only with the leaders but their peoples as well.

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What I meant was (made up example):

Iranian leader: We're so glad you're willing to work with us. Let's talk.

Obama--does he say in the talks:
1. We are delighted to see you want to talk. Here are some concessions we can make. (Iranians did not change policies in this session, but got rewards).
2. We are delighted to see you want to talk. If you do A (a tiny thing) for us, we will open our arms to you. (Iranians gave a little, but received a lot).
3. We are delighted to see you want to talk. We need you to do A (a relatively major request) and we can give you some concessions (at the same time, on an equivalent level).
4. We are delighted to see you want to talk. We need you to do A (a relatively major request) and then we can give you a few concessions (conditionally and on a lesser level).

These responses run the gamut from too soft to too hard (more or less), and I'm interested in knowing what level Obama would respond.

I'm tired of countries playing the game of "look what we did for you" when what they did was something they would have had to do anyway (like the Russians being willing to cut back on missile production, in the old days, when their economy could no longer support missile production anyway). We gave them lots of credit for finally seeking peace; should we have? I'm tired of us saying, "oh, they need to save face, so we'll allow them to continue to do something undesirable, so they can show their people they haven't caved to the US. Look, they said they would TALK with us" (as if by actually agreeing to talk, they are conceding to us and we should reward them just for this concession). I'm tired of us being stonewalled and jerked around by clever leaders by their promises, never delivered. "But they said they would do something, so they are TRYING to work with us". Was there a verifiable result? Should we give concessions based of words ONLY?

A good contract or agreement needs to be win-win--the US needs real verifiable results and needs to give back the same thing.

Example:You stop production of certain weapons; we will open up trade to you to ship you what you need.
NOT
You SAY you are willing to stop production of certain weapons but negotiations are needed before you can; we immediately open up trade because "look, they're willing to talk."

Sort of a simplistic answer here, but I hope you can see my general train of thought.
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The problem with the win-win scenario then becomes:
Is there something we can give them that they actually value as much as what we are asking for in return?

When the stated goal by other countries is the ultimate destruction of the US and everything it stands for.......

Is it just bluster?
Is the threat real?
Do we ignore the mosquito hoping it won't bite, pour insect repellent on our arms to keep it away, slap at the mosquito once it bites to kill it or at least to make it go away, or, realizing it carries malaria, attempt to destroy the mosquito entirely and drain its breeding places?

Of COURSE, there are people involved, innocent people, people from another culture, who have their own hopes and dreams perhaps different from ours--what gives us the right to interfere? Yet if the leaders of a country dominate the people so much that that leader can use the country's resources freely to threaten other countries with destruction, what is your role as a leader and protector of your own people?
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my two cents worth

I think thereís a difference between rhetoric and actual policy. I'll stick my head above the parapet here and say that I also think a lot of opinions on Iran are clouded by media coverage, after all fear sells. I had no idea, until recently, how much of a key role Iranian intelligence played in the US invasion of Afghanistan. Itís unfortunate that similar offers of support in the Iraqi conflict were rebuffed.
Thereís little room for doubt that certain elements within Iran, esp elements within the military, are aiding Iraqi insurgents and the Taliban but talks between the US and all nations in the middle east are, imo, key to resolving the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq and maybe just maybe edging towards a resolution between Palestine and Israel.
Having said that I donít think the talks should start at the top as the political risk is too great. Low or mid level talks I think are the best we can hope for.
Going slightly off topic, I was really shocked and sick to the stomach when I heard that Pakistan are effectively handing control of some border regions, on the border with Afghanistan, to the Taliban and allowing the introduction of Sharia Law, a concept which any right thinking person can only be repulsed by. All this while over the boarder NATO troops, many not much older than boys, are putting their lives on the line in an effort to free Afghanistan form the Taliban.
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I think thereís a difference between rhetoric and actual policy. I'll stick my head above the parapet here and say that I also think a lot of opinions on Iran are clouded by media coverage, after all fear sells. I had no idea, until recently, how much of a key role Iranian intelligence played in the US invasion of Afghanistan. Itís unfortunate that similar offers of support in the Iraqi conflict were rebuffed.
Thereís little room for doubt that certain elements within Iran, esp elements within the military, are aiding Iraqi insurgents and the Taliban but talks between the US and all nations in the middle east are, imo, key to resolving the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq and maybe just maybe edging towards a resolution between Palestine and Israel.
Having said that I donít think the talks should start at the top as the political risk is too great. Low or mid level talks I think are the best we can hope for.
Going slightly off topic, I was really shocked and sick to the stomach when I heard that Pakistan are effectively handing control of some border regions, on the border with Afghanistan, to the Taliban and allowing the introduction of Sharia Law, a concept which any right thinking person can only be repulsed by. All this while over the boarder NATO troops, many not much older than boys, are putting their lives on the line in an effort to free Afghanistan form the Taliban.
Except that some countries will not allow their Nato troops, already there, to actually engage in any conflict.

And yes, about the level talks should start at--Kissinger said much the same thing--give the negotiations to those who have studied the opposing culture and their two country's history--not the one who has an opinion based on a brief review from his aides and a quick read in some history text. The president should provide the general direction and the boundaries of the agreement; the underlings should hammer out the details.
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and we should only engage in conflicts that we are allowed to win. We have a police shortage as it is here at home; we can't be the police of the world. Not what the military is for. Go in - win - come home.
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seems Obama has a bad habit of appointing criminals...tax evasion is a big one...but I wonder what THIS is all about:

FBI raids office of D.C. CTO, Obama appointee

Federal agents this morning are searching the Judiciary Square office of Washington, D.C.'s Chief Technology Officer.

The search is part of "an ongoing investigation," said a spokeswoman for the FBI's D.C. Field Office, Lindsay Gotwin, said. She declined to comment further.

The outgoing Chief Technology Officer, Vivek Kundra, was appointed last week Chief Information Officer by the Obama administration.
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I've been thinking about posting to this thread - so many thoughts racing through my head, I didn't know where to start... so glad you posted something nova_dobie...

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Obama and earmarks... hmmm... so they are ok now.. he was going to change and eliminate earmarks.. mmmmmkaay... yours truly predicted this administration would be politics/business as usual..

spending... no matter what deficits this administration "inherited", this administration is spending more than the administrations from George Washington to George W combined. Mind boggling. Democrats in their natural habitat.

Bernie Madoff and the ponzi scheme - Madoff is pleading guilty to avoid a drawn out trial where all his accomplisses would be exposed. The whole system including the SEC is complicit. makes one wonder if the whole investment system is a big Ponzi scheme. Kinda like the big Social Security ponzi scheme.

Tax cheats in the administration - in case anyone hasn't noticed, all politicians put themselves above the law. They are a protected class.
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I've been thinking about posting to this thread - so many thoughts racing through my head, I didn't know where to start... so glad you posted something nova_dobie...

random thoughts:
Obama and earmarks... hmmm... so they are ok now.. he was going to change and eliminate earmarks.. mmmmmkaay... yours truly predicted this administration would be politics/business as usual..

spending... no matter what deficits this administration "inherited", this administration is spending more than the administrations from George Washington to George W combined. Mind boggling. Democrats in their natural habitat.

Bernie Madoff and the ponzi scheme - Madoff is pleading guilty to avoid a drawn out trial where all his accomplisses would be exposed. The whole system including the SEC is complicit. makes one wonder if the whole investment system is a big Ponzi scheme. Kinda like the big Social Security ponzi scheme.

Tax cheats in the administration - in case anyone hasn't noticed, all politicians put themselves above the law. They are a protected class.

our whole foundation is a scam...my dog rocks, though
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seems Obama has a bad habit of appointing criminals...tax evasion is a big one...but I wonder what THIS is all about:

FBI raids office of D.C. CTO, Obama appointee

Federal agents this morning are searching the Judiciary Square office of Washington, D.C.'s Chief Technology Officer.

The search is part of "an ongoing investigation," said a spokeswoman for the FBI's D.C. Field Office, Lindsay Gotwin, said. She declined to comment further.

The outgoing Chief Technology Officer, Vivek Kundra, was appointed last week Chief Information Officer by the Obama administration.
edit: Kundra is not the target of the investigation
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during the election, Obama slammed Bush (and McCain) about the deficit...but now Obama defends his DEEEEP plunge (ie theft of our money to bail out the wealthy CEO population)...so, what is it? is the deficit bad or is it good?
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"WASHINGTON Ė Facing misgivings within his own party, President Barack Obama mounted a stout defense of the administration's economic blueprint Thursday...

The president's far-reaching plans faced skepticism from both Democrats and Republicans, as senators questioned his long-term budget outlook and the deficits it envisions in the middle of the next decade."
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during the election, Obama slammed Bush (and McCain) about the deficit...but now Obama defends his DEEEEP plunge (ie theft of our money to bail out the wealthy CEO population)...so, what is it? is the deficit bad or is it good?
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"WASHINGTON – Facing misgivings within his own party, President Barack Obama mounted a stout defense of the administration's economic blueprint Thursday...

The president's far-reaching plans faced skepticism from both Democrats and Republicans, as senators questioned his long-term budget outlook and the deficits it envisions in the middle of the next decade."
ah!! you using the wrong operative word.. the word is... SPENDING.... in this light, spending to Democrats is always good when it's other people's money and when they control it because we all know Democrats are so altruistic and motivated *only* to help the common downtrodden person *cough*

add: and since when are our leaders of any adminstration concerned about deficits? Sure some congress members and presidents give it lip service, but let the record speak. And it clearly says - THEY DON'T GIVE A RATS BUTT ABOUT DEFICITS

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