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Anti-Gun Protester Says She’d Rather Be Murdered Than Use a Gun in Self-Defense

http://sm2.responsebeacon.com/track?...-self-defense/
Liberals have to be insane to believe the stuff they say.
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Now this makes sence.
Judge Jeanine Pirro Listen to this great take on guns.

Judge Jeanine: Banning weapons to prevent crime doesn't work | Fox News Video
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Now this makes sence.
Judge Jeanine Pirro Listen to this great take on guns.

Judge Jeanine: Banning weapons to prevent crime doesn't work | Fox News Video
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Anti-Gun Protester Says She’d Rather Be Murdered Than Use a Gun in Self-Defense

http://sm2.responsebeacon.com/track?...-self-defense/
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A Slurpee Brain Freeze Was Blamed For This Five Car Crash In Texas



Explain something to me: We have laws in this country that regulate all kinds of potentially dangerous substances, from toxic chemicals to alcohol and drugs. But why don't have stronger anti-Slurpee laws? It's time for the government to crack down on these frozen sugary death-drinks!

Don't believe me? Then check out this story from my hometown of San Antonio, where a Slurpee-induced "brain freeze" was cited as the reason this pickup truck driver crashed into four other cars. According to WOAI San Antonio, the driver was drinking a Slurpee behind the wheel when he encountered a brain freeze so intense that he blacked out and lost control of his truck.

When the man finally woke up, he had hopped a curb and piled into several other cars and his foot was stuck on the accelerator, according to the TV station. Now, I know what you're gonna say next: "The dude was totally drunk." Except FALSE! He apparently passed a sobriety test administered by police. No injuries were reported.

Hey, politicians: why don't you get off your lazy asses and do something about the epidemic of Slurpee violence that is consuming this country?
Do you really want something out on our streets that can "freeze" your brain and is readily available at any 7-11?......

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Hahahaha Beaumont, that's hilarious. I'm sorry officer, the Slurpee made me do it!

Looks like the truck's totalled too, the airbags went. That's one expensive Slurpee!
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Hahahaha Beaumont, that's hilarious. I'm sorry officer, the Slurpee made me do it!

Looks like the truck's totalled too, the airbags went. That's one expensive Slurpee!
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Slurpee did it, sure better than saying I swerved to miss a cat or squirrel or a raccoon...lol.
- Yea, I just noticed the popped air bag, pickup driver needs the year end Darwin Award.
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NO Slurpee over 16oz
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No slurpee equal to 32 degress Fahrenheit or colder allowed, only warmers ones can now be sold / under new government ledislation
I think there needs to be a 10 year prohibation period (on Slurpee's), so expensive studies, research and testing can be conducted ($$$).
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A couple of months ago, Mark Shileds was on the PBS News Hour. On that show Shields told host Judy Woodruff, "You know, Judy, the reality is -- and it's a terrible reality -- since Robert Kennedy died in the Ambassador Hotel on June 4, 1968, more Americans have died from gunfire than died in … all the wars of this country's history, from the Revolutionary through the Civil War, World War I, World War II, in those 43 years. ... I mean, guns are a problem. And I think they still have to be confronted."

So, ALL the wars combined? Really?

I was pretty shocked to find that that statement was actually very true.

Here’s a summary of deaths by major conflict:
(this includes all war-related deaths, not just those that occurred in combat.)

Revolutionary War
4,435
War of 1812
2,260
Mexican War
13,283
Civil War (Union and Confederate, estimated)
525,000
Spanish-American War
2,446
World War I
116,516
World War II
405,399
Korean War
36,574
Vietnam War
58,220
Persian Gulf War
383
Afghanistan War
2,175
Iraq War
4,486
Total 1,171,177


Here is a summary. The figures below refer to total American deaths caused by firearms:
(this includes not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths.)

1968 to 1980 377,000
1981 to 1998 620,525
1999 to 2010 364,483
2011 32,163
Total 1,384,171


So, what does that tell you about gun policy in the United States?
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So, what does that tell you about gun policy in the United States?

not much. It speaks to the mental health of this country perhaps.
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not much. It speaks to the mental health of this country perhaps.
Thats a pretty lame response.
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Not really, Echo. Mental health is a known issue in the U.S., one that's underfunded and ignored for the most part. Until someone snaps and shoots up a school, that is. Then people will make all sorts of nice noises about funding mental health, until enough time has passed that it can be swept under the rug again.

Sure, that's cynical, but it's also proven to be the reality. People don't like taking the long term view of things. They don't like spending taxpayer money on things like mental health, even though it affects all of society and can put all of us at risk if people are not cared for properly. It's even worse with the national debt and the state of the economy right now.

What that statistic tells me about gun policy in the U.S. is basically nothing. It compares short term events (individual wars) with gun deaths from all sources over a century. If we were at war constantly for a century, our war deaths would exceed gun deaths.

Yes, we have good access to guns in the U.S. But access to a gun isn't a necessary component of a suicide, or someone snapping and attacking others, or doing harm to someone else. Suicides especially have nothing to do with gun policy. Believe me, if someone wants to kill themselves, they do not require a gun to do it. Including those suicide deaths is a red herring, IMO.
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The statistic is relatively meaningless because it’s only a tally of the number of deaths facilitated by the use of a firearm. It’s a raw number that does not address how many people needed to be killed by any means possible, how many rapes were prevented by each one of those deaths and so forth.

PBS has been an advocate of disarming us as far back as I can remember. The interview is a classic example of using a meaningless statistic to make an idiotic statement sound “reasonable”. For example if 25% of those deaths were people shot by police, you could say "You know, Judy, the reality is -- and it's a terrible reality -- since Robert Kennedy died in the Ambassador Hotel on June 4, 1968, the Police have killed over 360,000 Americans ...that's edging towards half a million people! I mean, Police are a problem. And I think they still have to be confronted."

More Americans die from poisoning every year than from guns. Out of 40,000 poison deaths each year, how many were self defense or otherwise justified killings? Nill to zero.

More Americans die from automobiles. How many of those deaths were necessary to stop criminal actions? A very teeny, tiny percent in comparison to firearm deaths.

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Thats a pretty lame response.
so was your post. Regurgitating some liberal pablum.

if someone is hell bent on commiting suicide, they usually find a way.

if someone is hell bent on killing someone, they usually find a way.

for someone to do either one, is a mental condition. Start with the humans that birthed them and the society that fostered them. Guns are just metal and polymer implements.

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Echo obviously does not understand liberty, nor meaningless statistics. Must be too much National Socalist Radio/TV.
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It's not gun deaths over a century, it's over 43 years.

...and 1,384,171 dead Americans is a liberal pablum? Really?

So you're saying those people would have died anyway? That's a completely invalid argument. Those people all died of guns, end of story. You can't hypothesize that they would have died some other way, thats just floating a fantasy in front of a fact.

The argument that people are crazy and will do what they do simply drives home the point that guns need to be taken off the streets completely......that is probably the most foolish position I see someone attempting to justify gun violence take.

Comparing gun violence to poising makes no sense whatsoever.

But if you insist on comparing unrelated fatalities lets, here you go:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...s-by-2015.html

Now, is owning and operating a motor vehicle highly regulated in oh, every state? Have there been massive public awareness campaigns and legislative efforts to address the reasons behind automotive injuries and fatalities over the past 40 years? What kind of impact have efforts had? The number of Alcohol related fatalities is cars has dropped by nearly half since 1982 alone.

Now, a bit more philosophical but what is an automobile designed to do?

What is a firearm designed to do?

Does it really make any sense that an automobile should be more regulated than a firearm?

The framers of the constitution had no way to envision what "arms" would become, how powerful and accessible. If they could have envisioned that, and those 1,384,171 dead Americans I bet that amendment would have been different.

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Echo obviously does not understand liberty, nor meaningless statistics. Must be too much National Socalist Radio/TV.
Actually, I think you're the one that is confused there.

In the Declaration of Independence Life comes before liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ... because you really can't have the other two without that first one. Its a package deal.
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The intelligent framers of the Constitution were writing the guide for America's (then) present, and the the future. The Second Amendment would not have been changed other than to maybe make it even stronger.

If they could have forseen the future they may have provided for the proper treatment of leftists/socalists/communists: Skinned alive, boiled in oil, then drawn and quartered.
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The intelligent framers of the Constitution were writing the guide for America's (then) present, and the the future. The Second Amendment would not have been changed other than to maybe make it even stronger.

If they could have forseen the future they may have provided for the proper treatment of leftists/socalists/communists: Skinned alive, boiled in oil, then drawn and quartered.

That is pretty delusional, on several levels.
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That is pretty delusional, on several levels.
I was not (?) really that serious on the second part; my wife says that lefties cannot legally be treated in the ascribed manner. However, that is very similar to the way abortionists kill unborn babies; their skin is often burned by a strong saline solution injected into the mother's womb, and the baby is cut into pieces so the little parts can be removed. The left has no problem with that choice.

Many of us choose our guns and liberty. Without liberty life has lost much of its' meaning.

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A couple of months ago, Mark Shileds was on the PBS News Hour. On that show Shields told host Judy Woodruff, "You know, Judy, the reality is -- and it's a terrible reality -- since Robert Kennedy died in the Ambassador Hotel on June 4, 1968, more Americans have died from gunfire than died in … all the wars of this country's history, from the Revolutionary through the Civil War, World War I, World War II, in those 43 years. ... I mean, guns are a problem. And I think they still have to be confronted."

So, ALL the wars combined? Really?

I was pretty shocked to find that that statement was actually very true.

Here’s a summary of deaths by major conflict:
(this includes all war-related deaths, not just those that occurred in combat.)

Revolutionary War
4,435
War of 1812
2,260
Mexican War
13,283
Civil War (Union and Confederate, estimated)
525,000
Spanish-American War
2,446
World War I
116,516
World War II
405,399
Korean War
36,574
Vietnam War
58,220
Persian Gulf War
383
Afghanistan War
2,175
Iraq War
4,486
Total 1,171,177


Here is a summary. The figures below refer to total American deaths caused by firearms:
(this includes not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths.)

1968 to 1980 377,000
1981 to 1998 620,525
1999 to 2010 364,483
2011 32,163
Total 1,384,171


So, what does that tell you about gun policy in the United States?
How many deaths were criminals? And How many were comitted by reapeat offenders. Also could you give a break down of every year?
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It's not gun deaths over a century, it's over 43 years.

...and 1,384,171 dead Americans is a liberal pablum? Really?

So you're saying those people would have died anyway? That's a completely invalid argument. Those people all died of guns, end of story. You can't hypothesize that they would have died some other way, thats just floating a fantasy in front of a fact.

The argument that people are crazy and will do what they do simply drives home the point that guns need to be taken off the streets completely......that is probably the most foolish position I see someone attempting to justify gun violence take.

Comparing gun violence to poising makes no sense whatsoever.

But if you insist on comparing unrelated fatalities lets, here you go:

American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg

Now, is owning and operating a motor vehicle highly regulated in oh, every state? Have there been massive public awareness campaigns and legislative efforts to address the reasons behind automotive injuries and fatalities over the past 40 years? What kind of impact have efforts had? The number of Alcohol related fatalities is cars has dropped by nearly half since 1982 alone.

Now, a bit more philosophical but what is an automobile designed to do?

What is a firearm designed to do?

Does it really make any sense that an automobile should be more regulated than a firearm?

The framers of the constitution had no way to envision what "arms" would become, how powerful and accessible. If they could have envisioned that, and those 1,384,171 dead Americans I bet that amendment would have been different.
Well! a link to a chart on Bloomberg. Who can argue with that!?!?!? SLAP FOREHEAD!!! since you've put it that way, outlaw all guns and round them up from formerly law abiding citizens, at gunpoint of black-boot agents.

And while you're at it, hate speech is just so hateful. Outlaw free speech too since it hurts so many people.
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How many deaths were criminals? And How many were comitted by reapeat offenders. Also could you give a break down of every year?
and gang related violence.. don't leave out gangs.
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I was not (?) really that serious on the second part; my wife says that lefties cannot legally be treated in the ascribed manner. However, that is very similar to the way abortionists kill unborn babies; their skin is often burned by a strong saline solution injected into the mother's womb, and the baby is cut into pieces so the little parts can be removed. The left has no problem with that choice.
I hope you weren't, Grayghost. I see how polarized this country is, it's wrecking us all.

And when I see people advocating killing someone who disagrees with them, it pisses me off.

Nobody deserves death for stating their opinion. Nobody. I've seen senseless death and it is not something to ever be championed, especially not for something as bloody trivial as a different opinion.

For those of us sitting on the moderate bench, it's an exercise in watching the extreme cons and libs take shots at each other, accuse each other of being extremist and wrong and completely insane, with the end result of totally distracting themselves from making any real progress. Or you know, actually listening to someone with the opposing viewpoint.

Of course, when people are overly fond of making generalizations: "all liberals advocate unrestricted abortion because they're socialist baby killers" or "all conservatives advocate shooting each other in the streets and murdering people because they're right-wing gun nuts", things just get even more stupid.

Yeah, this is why talking or reading politics is best done with a beer in my hand. I'm going to go take care of that.
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