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Is This True?

Someone told me that the cheaper brands of canned dog food use recycled animal carcus from veternairy offices pounds etc. They are frozen, sent off to rendering, cooked, and made into dog food irregardless to what they died from. This of course includes the chemicals used to put the animal to sleep.

Here's the You Tube that was sent to me to prove this.

I'd like some input on this. If this is truely happening the public should be advised.

What's REALLY In Your Pet's FOOD?? - YouTube

Is this true? It is unblievable!
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I have also heard that the "animal byproduct" or "meat byproduct" ingredients on really crappy dog foods is, in fact, "recycled animals" from such situations.

I don't know how true it is but I've heard it multiple times from multiple people.



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I have heard this as well. Not sure if there is any merit behind it. After smelling alpo, it would not surprise me.


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When this first came out, there were minute traces of euthanasia solution (which is probably not actually harmful to consume orally in trace amounts) found in a few cheap kibbles. The press that resulted has probably eliminated the rendering of pets as an ingredient in pet food. This doesn't mean that all sorts of disgusting stuff isn't in there. What is actually in there is, to me, a far more significant issue than the rendered pets deal. The rendered pets deal was designed to elicit an emotional response and generate a public perception. There is enough science to cause one to make better choices about feeding one's own animals, but it doesn't have the same appeal as anguishing over poor Fluffy...
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Yes I've heard that before. I only buy canned food that has no meat by-products or ingredients I don't know. The fewer ingredients the better.
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Another question:

Is this legal to do?
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This looked relatively balanced:
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I am glad my dobes have never been allergic to peanut butter, like some kids are...He-He.

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Now I want peanut butter -- hold the dead pets plz and ty.
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It is a form of tallow. It isn't (or wasn't when I looked in to it a million years ago) really regulated as far as what type of animals could be rendered. So yes, at least there used to be foods with rendered pets in them.


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Thank you for this article. It reads very reasonable. It really seemed far fetched that they were recycling dead bodies.

What my impression was that the dead animals were taken somewhere and in a mass creamated. Is that what happens to those animals left at the vet or pound after being put to sleep?

My fireplace mantle has several erns of dogs of the past. But I have only kept the "favorites," as having this done privately, becomes expensive for so many dogs. And, I am running out of room. So I'd hate to have a dog I owned end up this way, if I did not take it with me after its PTS.

I know the vet freezes them and a company picks them up. But after that, I don't know what happens.
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Thank you for this article. It reads very reasonable. It really seemed far fetched that they were recycling dead bodies.

What my impression was that the dead animals were taken somewhere and in a mass creamated. Is that what happens to those animals left at the vet or pound after being put to sleep?

My fireplace mantle has several erns of dogs of the past. But I have only kept the "favorites," as having this done privately, becomes expensive for so many dogs. And, I am running out of room. So I'd hate to have a dog I owned end up this way, if I did not take it with me after its PTS.

I know the vet freezes them and a company picks them up. But after that, I don't know what happens.
Ask the vet what happens to your dog, be very specific and don't accept half answers. My vet works with the county humane society and they cremate the dogs now. They used to go to the city dump and some may still go there as I know one vet that fell out with the humane society and they wouldn't take deceased dogs from the vet anymore.

About 10 years ago I was reading a pit bull forum and an owner came on saying he had taken his dog to the pound to be put down. When he came back for his dog's body, they told him a large dog food manufacturing company, can't remember which now but someone like P&G, had already picked up all the dead animals.

Here is what I saved a couple of years ago.
The Worst Horrors of Pet Food on Video

I had more, but don't know where I stored the things now. But they were old and some were heartbreaking. I posted them on DT, but don't remember the title of the thread now.

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Ask the vet what happens to your dog, be very specific and don't accept half answers.

About 10 years ago I was reading a pit bull forum and an owner came on saying he had taken his dog to the pound to be put down. When he came back for his dog's body, they told him a large dog food manufacturing company, can't remember which now but someone like P&G, had already picked up all the dead animals.
What makes you think that the vet will even know, specifically, what happens? And, why do you think a vet would owe anyone this information? If one declines to cremate and declines to take the body with them, it is no longer the (former) owner's property and becomes waste. The vet will only make arrangements to have such waste removed.

Dog feed companies which use rendered ingredients buy them from rendering companies... they do not operate rendering facilities, themselves. Either the person who posted the story to the forum made it up or he didn't understand what he was told or someone at the pound lied to him.
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I remember going to a slaughter house as part of the requirement of FFA and viewing what happened there.

The scrap waste went into a vat which was then sent to "American Rendering." It stunk to high heaven.

But I was told it was cooked down and used in some ways for feeds, fertilizer etc.

The blood went into another "vat."

I know that nothing is wasted in the slaugher of animals. I have opened cans of dog food and noticed material that looked like lungs. But are lungs bad for a dog to eat? We don't eat that stuff, but dogs in the wild would. So I'm really confused with what's in those cans. And the good cans start at $2.25 a piece. You can buy Campbell's Chicken Cowder for that price.

I don't know. I know that I use to be so scared of this, I cooked my own chickens for my dogs. But that then spoils them; and, when they go to handlers on the show circuit it makes for a difficult transition.

So I really am at a loss right now to feeding. I want to feed what's best, and not be poisoning my dogs either.

Boiling chickens in a pot of water is not fun or easy either.
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There are numerous artilces on thetruthaboutpetfood.com about this

EPA Document Proves Euthanized Dogs and Cats are Rendered

Undeniable Proof the FDA allows Pet Food to Break the Law

Horrible Story, Horrible Implications

Heres a newspaper article from 1995
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After my dobe died at age 3 from cancer I started looking more into pet food, vaccinations, medications, heartworms etc. You would be suprised what the FDA lets big companies get away with. Even in the human food industry.
I only feed human grade food now.

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Not sayin' that dog food, particularly cheap dog food, is any kind of wholesome stuff, but the rendered pets thing really IS a non-issue. I had three medium-sized, middle-aged cancer dogs in two years (this was ALL of my dogs!), and changed everything about how I care for pets as a result, too. That said, I cannot lay the blame for these three dogs' deaths on anything specific, because I simply do not and cannot know.

PENTOBARBITAL IN DOG FOOD

"CVM scientists also developed a test to detect dog and cat DNA in the protein of dog food. Since pentobarbital is used to euthanize dogs and cats at animal shelters, finding pentobarbital in rendered feed ingredients could suggest that pets were rendered and used in pet food. Test results indicated a complete absence of protein material that would have been derived from euthanized dogs or cats. As a result of their study, CVM scientists assume the source of the pentobarbital in dog food is cattle or horses euthanized and then rendered."
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I'm not saying anything I posted it true. Just stuff to read.

Also not saying any of those things caused my dogs early death.
But the more you look into things, the more you might not agree with, and then you can make your own conclusions from there.

There are numerous things pet foods companies do that I do not agree with, so I do not buy their products.

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I will have to go back and find the article about the vet who reported on the incidence of cancer in the country after they starting importing dog food, many years ago.

I really try to get the best I can to feed my dogs.
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What makes you think that the vet will even know, specifically, what happens? And, why do you think a vet would owe anyone this information? If one declines to cremate and declines to take the body with them, it is no longer the (former) owner's property and becomes waste. The vet will only make arrangements to have such waste removed.

Dog feed companies which use rendered ingredients buy them from rendering companies... they do not operate rendering facilities, themselves. Either the person who posted the story to the forum made it up or he didn't understand what he was told or someone at the pound lied to him.
If the vet sold dead animals, I would think the vet would know what company he was selling them to. After all, he would be cashing a check from them. I guess how much he knew would depend upon his own curiosity. But you could pretty well bet it would be the same company that buys slaughterhouse refuse...can't be too big of a market for dead or unedible stuff.

If you ask your vet a question concerning your deceased animal, he should answer it, no matter whether you leave it or take it. His answer might make the difference in whether you take the body or leave it. I know when I asked what happened to the body, if left, my vet answered me.

About what the person said, truthfully, neither you nor I know what facts anyone knew or didn't know in that situation.

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If the vet sold dead animals, I would think the vet would know what company he was selling them to. After all, he would be cashing a check from them. I guess how much he knew would depend upon his own curiosity. But you could pretty well bet it would be the same company that buys slaughterhouse refuse...can't be too big of a market for dead or unedible stuff.

If you ask your vet a question concerning your deceased animal, he should answer it, no matter whether you leave it or take it. His answer might make the difference in whether you take the body or leave it. I know when I asked what happened to the body, if left, my vet answered me.

About what the person said, truthfully, neither you nor I know what facts anyone knew or didn't know in that situation.
This isn't really true. The vet isn't selling a product (deceased pets) he is hiring a service (the removal of waste/deceased pets). Just like slaughterhouse refuse is not a product, but something one must pay to have hauled away. If deceased pets are going to be rendered, they would be removed by a deadstock company. If they are not going to be rendered, they would be removed by a company which disposes of medical waste.

I don't see why you think a vet would have an obligation to explain this to anyone. One retains ownership by taking the body or purchasing the survices of a crematorium, or relinquishes ownership of the body and it's disposition is no longer the former owner's concern.

As for the story... I do sort of know, since pet food companies do not go around picking up dead pets. So, I know that it is untrue, I just don't know who is responsible for having made it up.
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This isn't really true. The vet isn't selling a product (deceased pets) he is hiring a service (the removal of waste/deceased pets). Just like slaughterhouse refuse is not a product, but something one must pay to have hauled away. If deceased pets are going to be rendered, they would be removed by a deadstock company. If they are not going to be rendered, they would be removed by a company which disposes of medical waste.

I don't see why you think a vet would have an obligation to explain this to anyone. One retains ownership by taking the body or purchasing the survices of a crematorium, or relinquishes ownership of the body and it's disposition is no longer the former owner's concern.

As for the story... I do sort of know, since pet food companies do not go around picking up dead pets. So, I know that it is untrue, I just don't know who is responsible for having made it up.
Hmmm, I honestly don't know about all the waste the slaughterhouse disposes of, but I do know the one here sells some of it. About who disposes of what, guess that is another multiple answer question as, with very little internet research, I found this:

"Besides county roads D & D also specializes in the removal of large animals from private property. If you have other dead animals that need to be removed from private property..."

"I live in long beach, CA and just had my cat euthanized and this is the company the vet said does the cremations with other animals. So I figure they also get all the animals that get put to sleep from animal shelters (horrid). anyway the vet told me they cremate the animals and spread the ashes over vineyards and other places so I am trying to find out a bit more about them but this is all I know for now as well as the review below that says they are the ones that get the road kill for the counties."

But, either way, it would still just depend upon the vet's curiosity, but I am sure they get asked what happens to the animals left behind by many, many owners. Yes, they do owe the owner an answer if the question is asked before the animal is left...as I stated before, the answer might make a difference in whether the owner leaves the animal or not.

About the pet food company picking up dead animals, guess you got me there. I read it about 10 yrs ago, so facts are blurry.

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The vet clinic I work for (in Multnomah County, Oregon--Portland takes up most of the county) sends all euthanized animals to one of two places. Either to Multnomah Country Animal Services (they have a crematorium and it's actually where all dead pets who are not cremated elsewhere are supposed to go) or to Dignified Pet Services--a private crematorium which will cremate and return the ashes to the owner either in a small decorative canister or in a fancy urn if you choose).

The County Animal Services will also pick up dead animals within the county and cremate those as well. And will take animals from owners where the pet died at home--or we will take them and the County will pick them up from us.

We've got a big freezer--the county comes around a couple of times a week routinely to empty it or if we've had an unusually large number of euthanasias or dead pet turn ins they will make a special trip if we call. Dignified gets paperwork faxed to them with every pet that is going to them and they pick up (from the same freezer) within 24 hours.
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