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feeding raw without whole bones?

Lillie has become more food sensitive regarding kibble lately. We've been feeding her a homemade stew of sorts for a little over a week, but I'm thinking of switching to raw/BARF. The only problem is that I'm afraid of her ingesting a bone that causes issues because she tends to eat fast no matter what we do. I've read that some people will feed ground bone, but I'm not sure what sort of equipment I'd need to do that (though I wouldn't mind buying something). She loves raw veggies so that part should be easy. From what I've gathered so far, most people that feed BARF separate the RMB meal & the veggie/organ meal so that things will digest easier. Any claims with this?

I'm trying to work out a meal plan and the only thing stopping me is the bone issue.


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Zeus has and always does inhale his kibble, to the point where I have to put contraptions in his bowl in order for him not to choke, cough, and regurgitate his un-chewed food. When we fed raw however, this was not a problem with a normal size bone. He switched straight to chicken quarters, and although he got even more excited about the chicken than he did kibble, he had zero problems. It took him anywhere form 5-20 minutes to eat his meals depending on how large the game was. If you are worried, just avoid the small bones such as chicken necks.

But like I said, Zeus eats everything as quickly as possible. But whenever he got a RMB meal, it took him quite a bit of time to chew through it all.
Edit: I would give him something such as a leg quarter, and stay close by while he eats it. He may be just fine, but do it under supervision. Zeus would grab the whole quarter in his mouth (which at first scared me), but he would only do this to crunch up the bones, spit it out, crunch up some more, eat some, etc.

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Flirt inhales and we grind. I have the Tasin s 108 from One Stop Jerky Shop. It was about $200. The site has it on sale for $150 now. It will do any chicken or turkey bones. It's a high quality grinder and easy to use.

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I've found that alot of dogs (not all) that are on kibble tend to inhale their food and have never learned how to chew. So if you were to give them a chicken leg quarter, lets say, they want to swallow the whole darned thing as fast as they can. My solution to this was to buy a rack of "Beef Ribs", (usually not expensive) cut it into single ribs, put into a zip-lock bag then freeze til I'm ready to hand it to them. The beef rib bones have just enough meat on them to keep them interested and are big enough so that they have to chew them and not swallow whole and are quite hard so they can't just break off a hunk. After about a week, my oldest Jewel, slowed down and started chewing her food. Then I offered her a chicken leg quarter and watched her. She started chewing instead of trying to inhale. I could hear the bones crushing as she ate.

I have had zero problems with raw meat and bones, RAW. I never give them bones that have been cooked, not even thawed in the microwave. The cooked bones tend to splinter but the raw bones want to crush. Jewel has been on raw for about a year now and Jax has always been on raw. A dog is designed by nature to eat raw flesh and bone.

As far as vegetables go, I don't even bother. Their digestive tract, unlike ours, is short and there's just no time to digest vegetable matter and get anything out of it. So what you put in in the morning you'll more than likely to get it back that night.

To address the "dangers" involved with eating bones (chicken, beef, turkey, pork, fish). My vet has seen more dogs that have choked to death on kibble than have had problems with bones. Granted, more dogs eat kibble than raw diets but either way anything could happen. If not a bone or kibble, could be a piece of plastic from that cutsie doggy toy you bought at Petsmart.

With my dogs, I have never seen them so vibrant, shiny and healthy. Not saying raw is for everyone (humans) but I believe it's the best you could do for your animal.
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I don't know if you have a raw food pet store near you. I do and love it. I am not talking about premade raw either. My store also has meat with the bones already ground in if you do not want to grind them yourselves. I feed Coco many kinds of bones and have for the last year and a half but I always watch her while she eats to be on the safe side. Raw is great once you get the hang of it.



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The veggies you need to cook and puree or I think you can puree raw. Dogs cant digest cellulose, so you have to break the cell walls for the best benefit. Parker was a woofer. He would take a chicken leg quarter, go crunch and start swallowing, crunch and swallow the thing. Meanwhile I have had a couple of strokes. I finally started holding them and making him chew off pieces. Had to cut up meat. We did have a member post her dog choked to death trying to swallow a chunk of meat that was too big. So you do have to take precuations depending on your dog. I will say you dog gets a lot of benefits eating bones. Excellent jaw exercise, which a dog needs, and sparkly clean teeth.

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You could also try a premade raw, which has the bone ground into it. I occasionally feed Nature's Variety raw or Primal raw as a treat to the dogs. That takes all the guess work out of it. If I could afford to go entirely premade raw, I would. As it is, we're on kibble.


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First attempt is tonight. Lillie is 55#, but I'd like her at 52#. She had a homecooked breakfast, so she needs about 8.32oz of food tonight. This is my plan:
1 chicken thigh - about 4oz (I'm separating a whole leg quarter)
chicken hearts & gizzards - 2oz
carrots & green beans - 1/4 cup

I'm going to try to supplement shop this weekend. Any recommendations?


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First attempt is tonight. Lillie is 55#, but I'd like her at 52#. She had a homecooked breakfast, so she needs about 8.32oz of food tonight. This is my plan:
1 chicken thigh - about 4oz (I'm separating a whole leg quarter)
chicken hearts & gizzards - 2oz
carrots & green beans - 1/4 cup

I'm going to try to supplement shop this weekend. Any recommendations?
What model/plan/diet are you feeding? PLEASE make sure to follow a researched and healthy plan. A friend of mine decided to switch to 'raw' and homecooked. One of her dogs got pancreatitis and she blames it on raw/homecooked. ALL this 12.5 year old got was cooked or raw gruond beef. That is a recipe for disaster!!! And pancreatitis!!! It wasn't the "raw or homecooked" diet, but her lack of feeding a balanced diet.

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I'm following a BARF diet with a plan sample from www.njboxers.com
We're starting with chicken to get her accustomed to the diet, then pork and beef will slowly added and rotated. Salmon & venison are also definite possibilities. That was just my meal plan for tonight and possibly tomorrow (again, just to get her used to it)

I'm thinking about slowly incorporating ACV & Vitamin E at the least


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I have several friends who have their Dobes on raw and seem to absolutley thrive on it.. Gunny..your kids are fantastic and I've watched them grow up before my very eyes..
Living in Mexico I can not always be sure of my meat source.. I am fearful of ecoli and of course the post office will not deliver organic materials. ( I think this includes frozen pre made.) but I love hearing about the benefits and seeing the proof of what raw feeding does.
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