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Which brand is safe?

So as most know, the Spectrum SPOT test showed Ace with an allergy to Soybean, Pork, Rice, Kelp and Oats.

I have found several normal kibbles, (not grain free), that do not have these ingredients. However, I have no idea what is "bad" or not. I know Dobebug says stick to the large companies because they put more efforts into their testing.

I've found 4 different brands that have options for us. Granted, I am also basing my search off of the size bag we can buy. It is absolutely not feasible for us at this time to buy a $60+ 24lb bag of dog food. So I've been trying to find things that come in ATLEAST 35lb bags, preferrably bigger. Below are the cheap, more affordable options I found that I would be interesting in trying.

Anyways, I've been trying to find something, and was hoping for a little guidance on what I have found.


  • Diamond Performance Formula
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    Chicken, chicken by-product meal, whole grain ground corn, wheat flour, egg product, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), dried beet pulp, fish meal, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, salmon oil (a source of DHA), dried yeast, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium animalis fermentation product, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
  • SPORTMiX High Energy
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    Chicken By-Product Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Meat Meal, Ground Wheat, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols), Dried Beet Pulp, Fish Meal, Flaxseed, Salt, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Calcium Iodate, Copper Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Magnesium Oxide.
  • SportDogFood - K9 Police
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    Chicken Meal (30%), Whole Ground Sorghum (29%), Whole Grain Millet (20%), Chicken Fat (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols) (12%), Whitefish Meal (3%), Natural Flavors, Salmon Oil, Calcium Propionate, Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Potassium Chloride, Yeast Culture (Probiotic), Chicory Root, Zinc Amino Acid Complex (Chelate), Iron Amino Acid Complex (Chelate), Manganese Amino Acids Complex (Chelate), Salt, Yucca Schidigera Extract (Probiotic), Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Dried Cranberry Powder, Dried Blueberry Powder, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Selenium Yeast (Probiotic), Niacin Supplement (Vitamin B3), D-Calcium Pantothenate (Vitamin B5), Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B 12 Supplement, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Biotin (Vitamin B8), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Folic Acid, Copper Amino Acids Complex (Chelate), Green Tea Extract, Rosemary Extract, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product (Probiotic), Dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Product (Probiotic), Dried Trichoderma Longibrachiatum Fermentation Product (Probiotic), Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Product (Probiotic).
  • Iam's ProActive Health - Adult Large Breed
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    Chicken, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (Source of Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucosamine), Dried Beet Pulp, Natural Flavor, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols), Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Caramel Color, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Carrots, Choline Chloride, Fructooligosaccharides, Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, L-Carnitine, Mixed Tocopherols (a preservative), Ascorbic Acid, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin A Acetate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Rosemary Extract, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Folic Acid



Is there any reason any one of these options should not be fed? Any glaring issues that I have missed? I have been researching these for the past two days, but I feel like I am missing something obvious.
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Chesa, did you check on Natural Balance Limited Ingredients?

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If you're worried about the nutritional DCM stuff, Iams is one of the foods on the list of manufacturers recommended by nutritionists and cardiologists.

I know several people that feed and like SportDog, although I've heard several occasions of supply issues, which would be a big problem with an allergy dog (can't just switch foods).

That's about the extent of my input.
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Chesa, did you check on Natural Balance Limited Ingredients?
Yeah, unfortunately it is $60 for a 26lb bag. We are feeding about 45lbs a month now, so at this moment its just not something I can afford.

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Diamond gets a bad rap a lot of times--but it's a big manufacturer under their own Diamond label and are also the manufacturer for other companies--to the other companies formulas. The one you found looks very similar to the Kirkland brand (Chicken and Veg which used to be manufactured for Costco by Diamond--and probably still is).

Some things are regarded as "BAD"--like corn in any form--but I've never had a dog allergic to corn and I've actually talked to a couple of vet nutritionists who work for companies who use them to made sure what they are putting in dog foods are appropriate and as far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with corn in any of it's forms that is normally found in dog food.

I've used some of the Diamond products and if I wasn't able to get substantial discounts from several dog food manufacturers would probably find a Diamond product to feed.

I'm not familiar at all with Sport foods--I think maybe they aren't sold around here--some brands that are common in one area aren't at all just a few states away. Looking at the ingredients I think I'd choose the Police on rather than the High Energy--flaxseed meal is a fairly common allergen in dogs and is added to provide more Omega 3 in the diet but flaxseed needs a secondary reaction in the dogs body for the Omega 3's to be available--if you are giving fish oil the flaxseed is probably not something I'd voluntarily add.

Iams, is another that I've fed and had no problems with--I've used both the Iams branded products and the Eukanuba branded products. But the Iams lable is usually less expensive that Eukanuba.

Good luck with this--I sure don't envy you.

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Diamond gets a bad rap a lot of times--but it's a big manufacturer under their own Diamond label and are also the manufacturer for other companies--to the other companies formulas. The one you found looks very similar to the Kirkland brand (Chicken and Veg which used to be manufactured for Costco by Diamond--and probably still is).

Some things are regarded as "BAD"--like corn in any form--but I've never had a dog allergic to corn and I've actually talked to a couple of vet nutritionists who work for companies who use them to made sure what they are putting in dog foods are appropriate and as far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with corn in any of it's forms that is normally found in dog food.

I've used some of the Diamond products and if I wasn't able to get substantial discounts from several dog food manufacturers would probably find a Diamond product to feed.

I'm not familiar at all with Sport foods--I think maybe they aren't sold around here--some brands that are common in one area aren't at all just a few states away. Looking at the ingredients I think I'd choose the Police on rather than the High Energy--flaxseed meal is a fairly common allergen in dogs and is added to provide more Omega 3 in the diet but flaxseed needs a secondary reaction in the dogs body for the Omega 3's to be available--if you are giving fish oil the flaxseed is probably not something I'd voluntarily add.

Iams, is another that I've fed and had no problems with--I've used both the Iams branded products and the Eukanuba branded products. But the Iams lable is usually less expensive that Eukanuba.

Good luck with this--I sure don't envy you.

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Thank you greatly Dobebug. I know that the "right" way to do this would be buy the small bags of the limited ingredient foods. And do a true allergy reaction test by elimination and not try to rely on this blood serum test. I certainly don't want people to think I am ignoring good advice, but at this current moment time and money are both stretched thin. I really am trying desperately for this better paying job, and then I will be able to provide my dog with better choices. But its a very long and grueling hiring process for this industry, (over a year long), so I have to sit put until the next step is reached. I just don't want people to think I do not care about my dog enough to provide the good stuff. Cause I would in a heart beat if I could!

I feel more confident in the fact that these are not absolute trash items I will be feeding him, and I may move him to Diamond or Iams for the time being to see if there is any change. Once better situated, I will re-evaluate our options.

I truly thank everyone for their advice during this. I truly want whatever is best for Ace. We are officially down to one dose a day of the Apoquel, I just hope its not something he needs to be on very long.

Honestly I'm excited to get him back in good health. There is a Fast Cat trial in December, and if he's feeling good enough, I think it is something he would really enjoy. I really want to get him working again, and start going back after our goals! He has so much fun during any classes or shows we go to, so I want to keep him involved while he enjoys it!
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I would probably go with the one with the shortest ingredient list. While that Spectrum Allergy Test list was impressively comprehensive (I wish the skin test result for myself looked that complete), they can't test for everything, and the longer the ingredients' list, the harder it becomes to narrow down what is causing a reaction if he doesn't thrive on it. As with any experimental process, you probably want to keep it as simple as possible during testing. That's why I've heard of owners with dogs with food allergies switching to whole foods diets (someone suggested earlier) so they have total control over what their dogs are actually ingesting. And a lot of the ingredients on a couple of those products you listed are supplements (I see probiotics and vitamins) that you could easily add in later if you feel they could be beneficial.
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I'm sorry you're dealing with allergy issues. Its horrible to feel stressed just trying to feed your dog.

I don't have experience with any of those foods but I will tell you that I've heard good things about the Iams food and mixed reviews about various formulas of SportDogFood in addition to people experiencing occasional supply problems. Some people have had dogs get sick on it (vomiting & diarrhea), others dogs ate it fine and seemed to like it but their dogs started dropping weight while on it. It truly could be due to the difference in individual dogs though, rather than broadly being a brand wide problem. I don't know. Its based on hear-say as I haven't fed either.



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